America's Gun Violence

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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    jeffbr said:

    I'm with Callen. Completely against random checkpoints. I see it as a violation of the 4th amendment and has no place in this country. It is a completely fascist notion. I understand that the Supremes made it legal in 1990, but it was a hotly debated issue back then and I completely disagree with their ruling that it isn't a violation of a persons protection against illegal search and seizure.Thankfully the Supremes left it up to states to decide, and I live in a state that doesn't allow it.
    a fascist notion is murdering 6 million Jews just cause.

    we have random breath tests(RBT) here in Australia. no one think its a violation of any right. driving whilst over the legal limit is a crime here. isn't it over there?.
    if you make the stupid decision to get behind the wheel of a car drunk, putting not only your life but also the lives of others in danger then stiff shit for you if you get caught. better than having to inform ones next of kin youre dead cause you're stupid or informing someone else their child/father/husband/whatever is dead cause some arsehole decided driving whilst drunk was a good idea.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    I've never said racism doesn't still exist, especially in my,state. I've never been through a checkpoint and been "herded" through a parking lot. Every single time ive been through one, the entire process took no more than 5 minutes. Seems like a small price to pay in an effort to decrease DUIs. But what do I know? I've only been a fireman for 13 years. I guess I haven't seen enough death yet directly caused by impaired driving.
    Horrible price to pay. Giving up your rights as a free human.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388

    a fascist notion is murdering 6 million Jews just cause.

    we have random breath tests(RBT) here in Australia. no one think its a violation of any right. driving whilst over the legal limit is a crime here. isn't it over there?.
    if you make the stupid decision to get behind the wheel of a car drunk, putting not only your life but also the lives of others in danger then stiff shit for you if you get caught. better than having to inform ones next of kin youre dead cause you're stupid or informing someone else their child/father/husband/whatever is dead cause some arsehole decided driving whilst drunk was a good idea.
    Sad sad sad.

    Willing to give up a fundamental right so easily.

    And we wonder how Hitler pulled it off.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,340
    so a license and a car are a right? is that right? musta missed that in reading the bill of rights.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited May 2016
    mickeyrat said:

    so a license and a car are a right? is that right? musta missed that in reading the bill of rights.

    Well, they are personal property, falling under illegal search and seizure...
    http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-rights/search-and-seizure-and-the-fourth-amendment.html

    I guess you could argue that they are homes on wheels as well if you want to jump back into the 2nd Amendment and discuss the castle doctrine rulings.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,340
    and you must follow direction of traffic control devices. BITCH all you like , the
    courts have ruled


    pay attention to news cuz they must be announced. you can then exercise ylur free will to avoid th accordingly.
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  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    callen said:

    Horrible price to pay. Giving up your rights as a free human.
    I disagree. I'm not giving up any rights by complying with a checkpoint. If you do not want to drive through one, you can certainly take another route. There may be exceptions, but most checkpoints are publicly advertised in newspapers and county websites
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mickeyrat said:

    and you must follow direction of traffic control devices. BITCH all you like , the
    courts have ruled


    pay attention to news cuz they must be announced. you can then exercise ylur free will to avoid th accordingly.

    As with the 2nd Amendment!!! Where have I been, when did this topic become about traffic stops?
  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    mickeyrat said:

    so a license and a car are a right? is that right? musta missed that in reading the bill of rights.

    The right to not have another human being impede on your freedom! Being able to force you to do something. Take your time. Resources And that of the police. Directed by government, politicians!

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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388



    I disagree. I'm not giving up any rights by complying with a checkpoint. If you do not want to drive through one, you can certainly take another route. There may be exceptions, but most checkpoints are publicly advertised in newspapers and county websites
    Of course you are. You are giving the government the right to stop you. Search your shit. You gave up your freedoms while not realizing it and gave the "authorities" power to interfere with me.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    mickeyrat said:

    and you must follow direction of traffic control devices. BITCH all you like , the
    courts have ruled


    pay attention to news cuz they must be announced. you can then exercise ylur free will to avoid th accordingly.

    And the courts are many times wrong.

    Result of that utterly idiotic belief courts should be balanced. Yeah riiiiight. With conservative corporate zombie Jesus backed judges. Woo hoo.
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  • callen said:

    The right to not have another human being impede on your freedom! Being able to force you to do something. Take your time. Resources And that of the police. Directed by government, politicians!

    The government and police indirectly directed by the people.

    Man, Callen... you talk of living in fear... yet here you oppose routine traffic stops that are placed with the safety of the general public in mind.

    If they start stopping cars to discover your political affiliations... let us know and we can have a discussion. Right now... they are trying to make a presence to deter drunks from killing our children- hardly something to frown upon.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,340
    edited May 2016

    The government and police indirectly directed by the people.

    Man, Callen... you talk of living in fear... yet here you oppose routine traffic stops that are placed with the safety of the general public in mind.

    If they start stopping cars to discover your political affiliations... let us know and we can have a discussion. Right now... they are trying to make a presence to deter drunks from killing our children- hardly something to frown upon.
    then sell your car callen. be free from government overreach and tyranny.
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  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    callen said:

    Of course you are. You are giving the government the right to stop you. Search your shit. You gave up your freedoms while not realizing it and gave the "authorities" power to interfere with me.
    They are not searching me. I've never been searched at a check point.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,984
    I hate the fact that dui checkpoints are announced. What's the difference between that and fish and game looking over my license, gun and harvest when hunting? or checking out my cooler after i fished to make sure I didn't take more/short fish than allowed?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,954
    mcgruff10 said:

    I hate the fact that dui checkpoints are announced. What's the difference between that and fish and game looking over my license, gun and harvest when hunting? or checking out my cooler after i fished to make sure I didn't take more/short fish than allowed?

    Well that's more of a sustainability issue. If everybody took home 10 trout every time they fished it would seriously deplete the river hence catch and release.

  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,200
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/20/furniture-firepower-gun-sales-drive-specialty-concealment-craze.html?intcmp=hpbt3

    next on my have to have list...well a Desert Eagle first then a cool headboard that will conceal a shotgun.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/20/furniture-firepower-gun-sales-drive-specialty-concealment-craze.html?intcmp=hpbt3

    next on my have to have list...well a Desert Eagle first then a cool headboard that will conceal a shotgun.

    Godfather.
  • http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/20/furniture-firepower-gun-sales-drive-specialty-concealment-craze.html?intcmp=hpbt3

    next on my have to have list...well a Desert Eagle first then a cool headboard that will conceal a shotgun.

    Godfather.

    You could be just like James Bond.
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    callen said:

    Sad sad sad.

    Willing to give up a fundamental right so easily.

    And we wonder how Hitler pulled it off.
    so you think its a right to drive drunk?

    sad sad sad

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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177

    so you think its a right to drive drunk?

    sad sad sad

    I can't tell if you're just reading what you want into this discussion, are intentionally misconstruing what people are saying, or just not understanding, but nobody is condoning drunk driving. Some of us just have a different tolerance level for authoritarian state actions.
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  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    jeffbr said:

    I can't tell if you're just reading what you want into this discussion, are intentionally misconstruing what people are saying, or just not understanding, but nobody is condoning drunk driving. Some of us just have a different tolerance level for authoritarian state actions.
    I have no tolerance for drunk driving. If you feel your rights are being violated by a check point, you can give up your license and take public transportation. Chances are, you will never go through a check point again.
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  • I have no tolerance for drunk driving. If you feel your rights are being violated by a check point, you can give up your license and take public transportation. Chances are, you will never go through a check point again.
    It's hard enough to keep drunks off the road as it is. We need to support mechanisms designed to safeguard our roads. People need a better perspective: it's not a violation of our rights... it's a proactive measure implemented to keep our roads safe.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,200
    Back on topic.....

    Louisiana Girl, 5, Fatally Shoots Self While Playing With Gun
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/louisiana-girl-5-killed-after-apparently-playing-handgun-n578176
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    Back on topic.....

    Louisiana Girl, 5, Fatally Shoots Self While Playing With Gun
    http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/louisiana-girl-5-killed-after-apparently-playing-handgun-n578176

    your point ? or what message are you trying to relay ? gun right's taken away from Americans ?
    or are you saying stricter gun laws would have saved this girls life ? stricter gun laws will not stop an accident like this they only make it harder for responsible gun owners to have gun's and will not affect the criminals, it seems you keep posting this stuff in effort to tell all of us you want guns taken away from everybody.

    gun laws are stricter than they ever have been and cities that ban guns still have gun related killings and robberies ......showed them uhh ?

    the only people being affected by gun laws are the responsible gun owners, the criminals don't give a shit about strict gun laws, go ahead and search for how well the strict gun laws are helping America I'm sure some politician has drummed up some propaganda malarial to suit the needs of their fear of guns followers.

    I'm a responsible gun owner and let me tell you something amigo, I sleep good at night.

    Godfather.
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,340
    stricter in a few select places. Ohios laws are very very loose. minimal at best. thousands go out of state and are later found to have been used in crime elsewhere. thats thousands of initially legal purchases.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,984
    mickeyrat said:

    stricter in a few select places. Ohios laws are very very loose. minimal at best. thousands go out of state and are later found to have been used in crime elsewhere. thats thousands of initially legal purchases.

    In nj when I buy a gun the serial number is registered under my name. Is it the siniliar in Ohio?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 43,340
    no. it isn't.
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  • mickeyrat said:

    stricter in a few select places. Ohios laws are very very loose. minimal at best. thousands go out of state and are later found to have been used in crime elsewhere. thats thousands of initially legal purchases.

    All guns, at some point during their lifespan, have been legal.

    GF... the point is obvious: more guns equals more deaths by guns. Period.
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