America's Gun Violence

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    mickeyrat said:

    southern ohio. unknown shooter(s) 4 seperate locations. 8 dead. 7 adults. 1 16 yr old. all shot in the head.

    What, just randomly by some psycho walking around killing people?!
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    PJ_Soul said:

    mickeyrat said:

    southern ohio. unknown shooter(s) 4 seperate locations. 8 dead. 7 adults. 1 16 yr old. all shot in the head.

    What, just randomly by some psycho walking around killing people?!
    All the victims had the same last name (obviously related) in a very rural area shot execution style. Very very odd.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,385
    edited April 2016
    mcgruff10 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mickeyrat said:

    southern ohio. unknown shooter(s) 4 seperate locations. 8 dead. 7 adults. 1 16 yr old. all shot in the head.

    What, just randomly by some psycho walking around killing people?!
    All the victims had the same last name (obviously related) in a very rural area shot execution style. Very very odd.
    LE has been pretty good at tamping down media speculation. Seems personal to the Sheriff too.

    100 or so other members of the family are gathered together. LE providing protection.
    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    This sounds like quite the story has played itself out.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,385
    update. all from the same IMMEDIATE family. Divorced parents ,adult children and grandchildren(assume thats the 16 yr old). still no direct appearance of murder/suicide.
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    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    mickeyrat said:

    update. all from the same IMMEDIATE family. Divorced parents ,adult children and grandchildren(assume thats the 16 yr old). still no direct appearance of murder/suicide.

    Wow that s nuts. Is this something like the hatfields and McCoy's?!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,159
    I wonder if there is an organized crime element here. Maybe cartel retribution?

    It sure seems like someone is trying to make an example, prove a point or send a message.

    Pretty fucking terrible.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mcgruff10 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    update. all from the same IMMEDIATE family. Divorced parents ,adult children and grandchildren(assume thats the 16 yr old). still no direct appearance of murder/suicide.

    Wow that s nuts. Is this something like the hatfields and McCoy's?!
    This is what I was thinking.

    Organized crime is the other scenario. Is there a third?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    update. all from the same IMMEDIATE family. Divorced parents ,adult children and grandchildren(assume thats the 16 yr old). still no direct appearance of murder/suicide.

    Wow that s nuts. Is this something like the hatfields and McCoy's?!
    This is what I was thinking.

    Organized crime is the other scenario. Is there a third?
    definitely could be organized crime. drug related....who the hell knows. all i know is this is fucking nuts.
    how was hawaii?
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  • jnimhaoileoin
    jnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    And further shootings in Georgia

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0423/783721-ohio-shootings/
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mcgruff10 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    update. all from the same IMMEDIATE family. Divorced parents ,adult children and grandchildren(assume thats the 16 yr old). still no direct appearance of murder/suicide.

    Wow that s nuts. Is this something like the hatfields and McCoy's?!
    This is what I was thinking.

    Organized crime is the other scenario. Is there a third?
    definitely could be organized crime. drug related....who the hell knows. all i know is this is fucking nuts.
    how was hawaii?
    Needed it. The kid was in recovery mode so we weren't as busy as we normally were, but man I love that place.

    Thanks for asking.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    Child, 2, kills self with gun from mom's purse

    http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2016/04/20/2-year-old-dies-self-inflicted-gunshot-would-northwest-side-police-confirm/83317528/

    After she was questioned she was released.

    Why released? Is that not negligence? Guns are supposed to be secured in a locker and separate from the ammunition... not loaded and ready to rock inside your fanny pack.

    F**k... this case- like all the others that are so similar- begs for reform measures. Simply put, people are too f**king stupid to own guns.

    Make IQ tests part of the gun licensing procedure. If it is revealed you're a f**king idiot... you get a license for a box of rubber bands.
    Would only solve 1 part of the problem. The other part is far too many people are too stupid to have kids....and yet they keep having them. And we can't do anything about that!!!

    So I guess the IQ test for guns is the only way to go!!
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    cincybearcat said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    Child, 2, kills self with gun from mom's purse

    http://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2016/04/20/2-year-old-dies-self-inflicted-gunshot-would-northwest-side-police-confirm/83317528/

    After she was questioned she was released.

    Why released? Is that not negligence? Guns are supposed to be secured in a locker and separate from the ammunition... not loaded and ready to rock inside your fanny pack.

    F**k... this case- like all the others that are so similar- begs for reform measures. Simply put, people are too f**king stupid to own guns.

    Make IQ tests part of the gun licensing procedure. If it is revealed you're a f**king idiot... you get a license for a box of rubber bands.
    Would only solve 1 part of the problem. The other part is far too many people are too stupid to have kids....and yet they keep having them. And we can't do anything about that!!!

    So I guess the IQ test for guns is the only way to go!!
    I hear what you're saying.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    Shooting outside a Prom in Wisconsin.


    Man - I hope we all wake up before it's too late. Sad thing is that after all these shootings, we as a country are still at step one in a lot of cases....denial.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,159
    Pot growing operations were connected to the Ohio and Georgia shootings.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    Likely never would have happened if pot were legalized then.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,410
    PJ_Soul said:

    Likely never would have happened if pot were legalized then.

    Nope
    Pot related crimes still happen in states with legal pot.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,667
    edited April 2016
    Bentleyspop said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Likely never would have happened if pot were legalized then.

    Nope
    Pot related crimes still happen in states with legal pot.
    Some but not much. Massive reduction and generally closer to what you see with cigarettes. I think it's pretty safe to assume this mass murder likely wouldn't have happened if it were legal.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    PJ_Soul said:

    Bentleyspop said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Likely never would have happened if pot were legalized then.

    Nope
    Pot related crimes still happen in states with legal pot.
    Some but not much. Massive reduction and generally closer to what you see with cigarettes. I think it's pretty safe to assume this mass murder likely wouldn't have happened if it were legal.
    Agreed.

    Marijuana Legalization in Colorado After One Year of Retail Sales and Two Years of Decriminalization
    Arrests and Judicial Savings

    According to data from the Colorado Court
    System, marijuana possession arrests have
    dropped 84% since 2010. In 2010, 9,011 people
    were arrested for marijuana possession. Using
    the same data we are projecting 1,464
    possession arrests for 2014. Given that arrests
    such as these cost roughly $300 to adjudicate, it
    is reasonable to infer that the state is saving
    millions in adjudicatory costs for possession
    cases alone in 2014 compared to 2010. Over the
    same period, arrests for cultivating and
    distributing marijuana have also dropped by more
    than 90%.


    Decrease in Crime Rates

    According to data released by the city of Denver,
    violent crime and property crime in Denver
    decreased in 2014.i
    Violent crime in Denver went
    down by 2.2% in the first 11 months of 2014,
    compared with the first 11 months of 2013. In the
    same period, burglaries in Denver decreased by
    9.5% and overall property crime decreased by
    8.9%.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,114
    PJ_Soul said:

    Likely never would have happened if pot were legalized then.

    10000000000000000% agreed.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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