Canadian reassurance that Bernie's no anarchist

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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    dudeman said:

    This isn't directed at anyone in particular but of all the online forums I visit, this one is by far the worst in terms of snark, sarcasm, rudeness and disrespect.

    I guess having an intelligent discussion just isn't possible here.

    Pretty sad.........

    I don't tend to visit other online forums but I have noticed in recent months there seems to be less and less tolerance here for differing views.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited March 2016
    JimmyV said:

    dudeman said:

    This isn't directed at anyone in particular but of all the online forums I visit, this one is by far the worst in terms of snark, sarcasm, rudeness and disrespect.

    I guess having an intelligent discussion just isn't possible here.

    Pretty sad.........

    I don't tend to visit other online forums but I have noticed in recent months there seems to be less and less tolerance here for differing views.
    That's because 90% of people well maybe 95% on here have 95% of people on their mental do not reply to list. You are left with two choices
    1. The sing kumbaya and pray for world peace crowd
    or
    2. The vote for trump crowd.
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    JimmyV said:

    dudeman said:

    This isn't directed at anyone in particular but of all the online forums I visit, this one is by far the worst in terms of snark, sarcasm, rudeness and disrespect.

    I guess having an intelligent discussion just isn't possible here.

    Pretty sad.........

    I don't tend to visit other online forums but I have noticed in recent months there seems to be less and less tolerance here for differing views.
    Absolutely. The attacking of posters who simply have a different opinion is rampant as well.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    I've been here a few years and it isn't any worse than when I joined.
    Trump gets people fired up, but really, dudeman must be on some serious kumbaya forums, because this is by far the most civil I have visited.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    The insanity of our American Condition is bound to create this kind of atmosphere. People are walking around in a daze and don't know if they've been "shot, fucked, powder-burned or snake-bit".

    Gooooooooood Morning Americaaaaaaaa!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    JimmyV said:

    dudeman said:

    This isn't directed at anyone in particular but of all the online forums I visit, this one is by far the worst in terms of snark, sarcasm, rudeness and disrespect.

    I guess having an intelligent discussion just isn't possible here.

    Pretty sad.........

    I don't tend to visit other online forums but I have noticed in recent months there seems to be less and less tolerance here for differing views.
    I'll drink to that
  • Free
    Free Posts: 3,562
    muskydan said:

    JimmyV said:

    dudeman said:

    This isn't directed at anyone in particular but of all the online forums I visit, this one is by far the worst in terms of snark, sarcasm, rudeness and disrespect.

    I guess having an intelligent discussion just isn't possible here.

    Pretty sad.........

    I don't tend to visit other online forums but I have noticed in recent months there seems to be less and less tolerance here for differing views.
    I'll drink to that
    If you think that people are going to support your racist views you're out of your mind.
  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    Free said:

    muskydan said:

    JimmyV said:

    dudeman said:

    This isn't directed at anyone in particular but of all the online forums I visit, this one is by far the worst in terms of snark, sarcasm, rudeness and disrespect.

    I guess having an intelligent discussion just isn't possible here.

    Pretty sad.........

    I don't tend to visit other online forums but I have noticed in recent months there seems to be less and less tolerance here for differing views.
    I'll drink to that
    If you think that people are going to support your racist views you're out of your mind.
    You must mean realist views aye...ha, ha
  • Nevermind90
    Nevermind90 Posts: 722
    Hi, Im a nurse from Sweden. I've been campaining for Bernie for about 5 months now. Phonebanking, donating Money, spreading The message. I love to pay taxes because; our schools, healthcare, dedication, wages and so on are way a head of u. What The FUCK CNN, fox...? WHAT THE FUCK.
    ~ Enjoy The Struggle
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Nevermind90 said:

    Hi, Im a nurse from Sweden. I've been campaining for Bernie for about 5 months now. Phonebanking, donating Money, spreading The message. I love to pay taxes because; our schools, healthcare, dedication, wages and so on are way a head of u. What The FUCK CNN, fox...? WHAT THE FUCK.

    CNN, FOX? Those aren't news stations. They're entertainment channels that air Faux News.

    Thank you for working for Bernie!!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Nevermind90
    Nevermind90 Posts: 722
    brianlux said:

    Nevermind90 said:

    Hi, Im a nurse from Sweden. I've been campaining for Bernie for about 5 months now. Phonebanking, donating Money, spreading The message. I love to pay taxes because; our schools, healthcare, dedication, wages and so on are way a head of u. What The FUCK CNN, fox...? WHAT THE FUCK.

    CNN, FOX? Those aren't news stations. They're entertainment channels that air Faux News.

    Thank you for working for Bernie!!
    Yepp, so why are the fuckers covering Trump & Clinton.

    Sorry im so pissed of. Get out there and make the biggest turnout ever. USA had a 55% voting turnout back in 2012 and thats on the GOP & Clintons. Most Eurepeon countrys has over 75% voting turnout. Belgium 95 for exampel.
    ~ Enjoy The Struggle
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Nevermind90 said:

    brianlux said:

    Nevermind90 said:

    Hi, Im a nurse from Sweden. I've been campaining for Bernie for about 5 months now. Phonebanking, donating Money, spreading The message. I love to pay taxes because; our schools, healthcare, dedication, wages and so on are way a head of u. What The FUCK CNN, fox...? WHAT THE FUCK.

    CNN, FOX? Those aren't news stations. They're entertainment channels that air Faux News.

    Thank you for working for Bernie!!
    Yepp, so why are the fuckers covering Trump & Clinton.

    Sorry im so pissed of. Get out there and make the biggest turnout ever. USA had a 55% voting turnout back in 2012 and thats on the GOP & Clintons. Most Eurepeon countrys has over 75% voting turnout. Belgium 95 for exampel.
    Not only is our voter turn out pathetically low, but our participation in our political system in general is very weak. Most Americans have never sat in on a state legislative meeting or county board meeting or been to city hall to voice and opinion (all great and educational experiences) let alone write a letter to or call their representative. We are a weak and passive people.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Can't take this video serious. Weed is not legal anywhere in Canada, Medical marijuana is, but you need a Doctor willing to prescribe it, if you have a doctor...most walk in clinics and hospitals do not prescribe narcotics. you guys need to quit looking at our universal health care model, look elsewhere.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    edited March 2016
    lukin2006 said:

    Can't take this video serious. Weed is not legal anywhere in Canada, Medical marijuana is, but you need a Doctor willing to prescribe it, if you have a doctor...most walk in clinics and hospitals do not prescribe narcotics. you guys need to quit looking at our universal health care model, look elsewhere.

    I don't think that's good advice. Their best model would be every functional system in the western world and finding the best in all of them, including Canada's, which does plenty right.
    Things are changing fast when it comes to weed, and it also depends where you are. I.e. in Vancouver it practically may as well be legal already because the city decided it's a waste of money and resources to fight it.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Can't take this video serious. Weed is not legal anywhere in Canada, Medical marijuana is, but you need a Doctor willing to prescribe it, if you have a doctor...most walk in clinics and hospitals do not prescribe narcotics. you guys need to quit looking at our universal health care model, look elsewhere.

    I don't think that's good advice. Their best model would be every functional system in the western world and finding the best in all of them, including Canada's, which does plenty right.
    Things are changing fast when it comes to weed, and it also depends where you are. I.e. in Vancouver it practically may as well be legal already because the city decided it's a waste of money and resources to fight it.
    Weed is still not legal, thats the point, and at anytime the federal government could have the rcmp move in and bust those heads shops, leave Vancouver with weed in your pocket and you could risk criminal charges. I support the legalization of weed, it will likely be legal at some point, Trudeau could have decriminalized pot by now so no-one faced criminal charges for possession...and people still do, for a drug that is probably the least harmful and most beneficial...yet alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceuticals remain untouched...yet far more harm is done annually by those drugs than weed.

    And our health care is horrible, it is far from consistent across the country...there are far better models to look at than Canada. The budget I get it, he had to pay off a lot of promises...apparently so many promises he couldn't keep and blew past his deficit targets by a little bit...hehehe. Bottom line is health care is barely iafootnote in any federal and provincial budget, that 23 billion their bribing families with every year would be far better spent in health and education. And if your going to bribe families have some limits, I'm pretty sure the family making 125-150 k a year don't need government help.

    As for day care, the infrastructure is already in place...I'm willing to bet in just about every school across the country they got empty spaces that can be converted to day care spaces...and public day care should only be available to those who can't afford day care.

    It's the budget the people wanted, these same families that are so thrilled...I wonder how many of them at some point will be in need of a go fund me to help cover the cost of some medical, whether its expenses getting to where they need to be, etc..

    As far as I'm concerned both provincial and federal governments are purposely bleeding the health care system.

    We'll see...but because of governments irresponsible spending, including the last government and many previous governments we spend federally about 35 billion a year just to service the debt...imaging if that went into health and infrastructure every year.

    And I truly believe until someone comes along who is super serious about tackling the federal debt, not just the deficit...then this country is going to slide toward the shit house.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,570
    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    That guy was fabulous. I always enjoy Canadians opinions on America. When I hear that nonsense it always solidifies how irrelevant of a country they really are, other then fantastic Musky fishing and hunting...and many of my Blackhawks Aye..

    Hahaha yeah because if your economy doesn't tank every 10 years, you don't have hundreds of mass shootings every year, and you don't waste trillions of dollars on wars that can't be won, you must be irrelevant.
    Thank good God above that Musky lives in our world and we don't have to live in his!
    I see Irrelevance loves company Ahe.... Can we add you to the list of libbies who vow to leave the US if American gets the chance to be great again?
    I'm curious about when we were great? I guess that means we aren't great now, but what year, or years, were we great? If that's the guy's slogan, it must have been identified by now, right?
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Go Beavers said:

    muskydan said:

    rgambs said:

    muskydan said:

    That guy was fabulous. I always enjoy Canadians opinions on America. When I hear that nonsense it always solidifies how irrelevant of a country they really are, other then fantastic Musky fishing and hunting...and many of my Blackhawks Aye..

    Hahaha yeah because if your economy doesn't tank every 10 years, you don't have hundreds of mass shootings every year, and you don't waste trillions of dollars on wars that can't be won, you must be irrelevant.
    Thank good God above that Musky lives in our world and we don't have to live in his!
    I see Irrelevance loves company Ahe.... Can we add you to the list of libbies who vow to leave the US if American gets the chance to be great again?
    I'm curious about when we were great? I guess that means we aren't great now, but what year, or years, were we great? If that's the guy's slogan, it must have been identified by now, right?
    Musky has dodged this question so much he would make a great politician!
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • BrokenGlass
    BrokenGlass Posts: 298
    lukin2006 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Can't take this video serious. Weed is not legal anywhere in Canada, Medical marijuana is, but you need a Doctor willing to prescribe it, if you have a doctor...most walk in clinics and hospitals do not prescribe narcotics. you guys need to quit looking at our universal health care model, look elsewhere.

    I don't think that's good advice. Their best model would be every functional system in the western world and finding the best in all of them, including Canada's, which does plenty right.
    Things are changing fast when it comes to weed, and it also depends where you are. I.e. in Vancouver it practically may as well be legal already because the city decided it's a waste of money and resources to fight it.
    Weed is still not legal, thats the point, and at anytime the federal government could have the rcmp move in and bust those heads shops, leave Vancouver with weed in your pocket and you could risk criminal charges. I support the legalization of weed, it will likely be legal at some point, Trudeau could have decriminalized pot by now so no-one faced criminal charges for possession...and people still do, for a drug that is probably the least harmful and most beneficial...yet alcohol, tobacco and pharmaceuticals remain untouched...yet far more harm is done annually by those drugs than weed.

    And our health care is horrible, it is far from consistent across the country...there are far better models to look at than Canada. The budget I get it, he had to pay off a lot of promises...apparently so many promises he couldn't keep and blew past his deficit targets by a little bit...hehehe. Bottom line is health care is barely iafootnote in any federal and provincial budget, that 23 billion their bribing families with every year would be far better spent in health and education. And if your going to bribe families have some limits, I'm pretty sure the family making 125-150 k a year don't need government help.

    As for day care, the infrastructure is already in place...I'm willing to bet in just about every school across the country they got empty spaces that can be converted to day care spaces...and public day care should only be available to those who can't afford day care.

    It's the budget the people wanted, these same families that are so thrilled...I wonder how many of them at some point will be in need of a go fund me to help cover the cost of some medical, whether its expenses getting to where they need to be, etc..

    As far as I'm concerned both provincial and federal governments are purposely bleeding the health care system.

    We'll see...but because of governments irresponsible spending, including the last government and many previous governments we spend federally about 35 billion a year just to service the debt...imaging if that went into health and infrastructure every year.

    And I truly believe until someone comes along who is super serious about tackling the federal debt, not just the deficit...then this country is going to slide toward the shit house.
    How I envy your ability as a Canadian to focus on the macroeconomics of funding universal health care. Here's a little context for you, however. Try to imagine your anger and frustration in this situation: this year, my health insurance premium for my family of 4 is about $23,000; my employer pays 2/3 and I pay 1/3. That means $154 per week is deducted from my paycheck for health insurance. For this ridiculously high cost, our policy provides for a $3000 per person / $6000 family deductible. Prescription drugs are counted as any other medical expense under my deductible. That means that I pay out of pocket for a medication my wife is prescribed that costs $448 per month until we reach her $3000 deductible. Luckily, my family is generally healthy; conversely, this means my employer and I pay $23,000.00 a year and essentially receive NO BENEFIT. And this kind of coverage is pretty typical; many are much worse, but we are still classified as "insured". Perhaps this will help you understand why the Canadian model or UK model or French or German or Danish, or, for fuck's sakes EVERY OTHER WESTERN INDUSTRIAL NATION'S model is so attractive to Americans.

    And yet, the establishment media continues to belittle and chuckle and shake their heads at these "radical" "crazy" ideas of Bernie Sanders. BUT WE WONT GIVE UP. FEEL THE BERN!
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    We Canadians pay plenty in taxes for our health care system...it's not even close to free...so when some politician is promising free this, free that...it's not free, somebody has to pay to keep our hospitals up, for nurses, doctors, property taxes on hospital property, equipment...etc. Yes compared to America ours value health care looks better, but its nowhere near free. My guess is that most of the people who complain about their system in the US would also be the loudest moaners when they can not even get a family doc and their stuck going to a walk in clinic (if your community is fortunate enough to have one) or going to a hospital er (wait times 4-8 hours). Our hospitals are no way free.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    No politician is promising free anything, and everyone knows that taxes pay for universal healthcare. Obviously.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

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