Trump's rally in Chicago stopped due to protests
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I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.ckravitz said:
What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).Post edited by brianlux on"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
And our "very active" President Obama doesn't divide the country? Why does he not ask groups such as the Black Lives Matter group to be peaceful? Why does he not refer to ISIS as terrorists? And how about him saying that Conservatives cling to their guns and religion?brianlux said:
He's completely divided the country and hasn't been able to control the violence and anger. We need someone that will bring about peace and (that familiar word) CHANGE for the better of our country."Must I keep explaining my decisions to you strangers of the Internet?" - Merch tent 8/19/16
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I agree. Yes to free speech, but no to preaching hate, violence, and racism. As Jose said earlier, Trump is promoting violence against his protestors. Is this a person who should be our president? No, no, hell no. What about his quote saying he could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and he wouldn't lose voters?brianlux said:
I can see why people are protesting.0 -
Than God not everyone thinks this way. If they did, the western world would be full of dictatorships and civil rights wouldn't exist.Pearl34Jam said:
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Glad to see that this time you controlled your personal insults in this reply to me. I'm impressed.PJ_Soul said:"Must I keep explaining my decisions to you strangers of the Internet?" - Merch tent 8/19/16
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Like Eddie Vedder and others, I don't care that Johnny Ramone is a republican or that ZZ Top played at the GOP convention in 2012. As long as they're rational human beings unlike Nugent, it don't matter. Besides, I'd be a hypocrite since I've listened to music of people who have done awful things like beat up their wives like Axl Rose. Ramone's freindship with liberal musicians influenced by him like Vedder and other punk rock legends shows that music is sometimes thicker than politics.brianlux said:
As far as Nugent goes, I do dig High Enough by Damn Yankees for childhood nostalgia reasons.0 -
No he absolutely doesn't. Turn off Fox News...that's the only news organization pushing the garbage that you are posting.Pearl34Jam said:
He's completely divided the country and hasn't been able to control the violence and anger. We need someone that will bring about peace and (that familiar word) CHANGE for the better of our country.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Kasich is a fan of them as well. I read about this in Entertainment Weekly. He also loves Floyd and Rush. Hell, I don't agree with Ayn Rand's philosophies but Neil Peart is a well rounded human being. He's even outspoken against libertarian Rand Paul which is good since he's one of those cafeteria libertarians that irritate me. Rand aside, I rock out to Anthem from Fly By Night every time I hear that intro riff by Lifeson.brianlux said:
Then again, he's the most "sane" one of the debates.Post edited by InHiding80 on0 -
This one still baffles me.brianlux said:
Not to mention all the Right Wing smears of the band and Eddie in particular.
Remember this Gem?
Pearl Jam Clown Eddie Vedder Goes on Ugly Anti-Israel Rant
What a surprise to see a liberal icon expose himself as an ignorant buffoon.
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Eddie has never been shy about his politics.
Pearl Jam frontman Eddie Vedder celebrated his New Year in Hawaii, performing at a pair of holiday shows with comedian Bill Maher, and he used the opportunity to poke fun at GOP presidential hopeful Donald Trump.
Read More: Eddie Vedder Mocks Donald Trump at Bill Maher’s New Year’s Eve Show | http://diffuser.fm/eddie-vedder-mocks-donald-trump-at-bill-mahers-new-years-eve-show/?trackback=tsmclip
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How did Obama become part of this conversation all of the sudden? And how did it veer into the subject of a divided nation? You lost me.Pearl34Jam said:
He's completely divided the country and hasn't been able to control the violence and anger. We need someone that will bring about peace and (that familiar word) CHANGE for the better of our country."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
You did say "highly conservative" so in thinking about it some more I'd have to more or less agree given that qualification since most folks of that specific alignment would probably find a lot of their lyrics not to their liking. But to me, Pearl Jam's basic premise just seems to be (and excuse the vulgarity) respect others, help out where you can, and don't be a douche. Beyond far fringes on either side I think that should appeal to most people. (and to just for clarity, I am in no way suggesting they aren't liberal).brianlux said:
Anyway, didn't mean to hijack, back to the Trump loony train!0 -
Pearl34Jam said:
Why does he not refer to ISIS as terrorists?
I can announce that America will lead a broad coalition to roll back this terrorist threat. Our objective is clear: we will degrade, and ultimately destroy, ISIL through a comprehensive and sustained counter-terrorism strategy.
Barak Obama - President of the United States of America - Wed Sep 10, 2014
Bet I could probably find 10 more in less than a 5 minutes....
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Good points.InHiding80 said:
Then again, he's the most "sane" one of the debates.
What probably should be pointed out is that music stands on its own in the sonic realm. I love Dinosaur Jr but hell if I know what J is singing about half the time, haha!
What makes the least sense to me is when someone logs on here with the idea that promoting a conservative agenda is going to sway anyone's opinion. I can almost guarantee that not one person who posts on AMT has gone from being a progressive to being a Trump supporter. And, again, I'm not saying there should be a rule against supporting a conservative agenda on AMT but that several people have spent so much time attempting to so so seems puzzling to me.
Now I can see why some might try to sway opinions on subjects that have a lot of grey area (not to me, but to people in general)- birth control, economics, energy, taxation, for example. But when it comes to supporting a candidate who is a recognized racist... rooting for that man here? Why bother? I really don't think anyone here who supports Bernie Sanders one day is going to say, "Screw that Bernie guy, I'm going with Trump!" I mean, if that's how you want to spend your energy, well, OK then. Good luck with that."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
I don't think people post on AMT with intentions of promoting and supporting a racist. It is for certain though that any talk or whisper that disturbs the liberal peace and all hell breaks loose around here. AMT yee haw!!
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brianlux said:
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Wouldn't it be cool if we all got up one morning and on the news there was Trump making this announcement:
"Guess what people, the whole thing is a sham! I'm not a racist. I don't even really want to be your president! I've been making up all this shit for years with the intent of running on a racist platform just to see how many of you true racist would come out of the woodwork and show yourselves. Shame on you! Yes, I deceived you but now the whole world knows what a serious racial problem we have in America and that is shameful!"
Wouldn't that be cool?
But guess what-- that's exactly what he's doing whether intentional or not. Shame on all the racism in America!0 -
As if progressives were really that simple minded. :rollingeyeballs:PJfanwillneverleave1 said:I don't think people post on AMT with intentions of promoting and supporting a racist. It is for certain though that any talk or whisper that disturbs the liberal peace and all hell breaks loose around here. AMT yee haw!!
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As long as they don't yell at shows to "shut up and sing". Conservative fans are fully welcome being PJ fans, as long as they don't expect an openly politically and socially liberal band to be something they're not.brianlux said:Post edited by Free on0 -
In regards to protesters shutting down Trump's rally ( back on topic ), may there be many more US citizens standing up to the Hate, to the violence, to the ridiculous and dangerous agenda set to tear this country apart brought to you in the name of Donald Drumpf.
By egging on the violence of his supporters, he has crossed an utterly disturbing line that is headed to the wrath this country will NOT stand for.
Yes I still think this campaign of his is all still for entertainment value and in fulfilling the media's and Drumpf's ultimate ego trip, but he is going too far.
McCain, at least, had the decency of stopping the hatred of his supporters leading to violence back when he was campaigning, vocally speaking out against it. Drumpf is single handedly bringing out the worst in human nature and enabling the destruction of not only our country but who we are as human beings.Post edited by Free on0 -
If you'd look at the comment I quoted, you'd see that the person said that Trump would promote hate and violence. So I pointed out that our current President has been doing that since 2008. Just adding on to the conversation.brianlux said:"Must I keep explaining my decisions to you strangers of the Internet?" - Merch tent 8/19/16
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