Trump's rally in Chicago stopped due to protests

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

brianlux said:

Pearl34Jam said:

rustneversleeps said:

Pearl34Jam said:

josevolution said:

Protester was beat up today !

They shouldn't have protested.

this is almost as comical as "the silent majority" badge

If you don't support someone or something, then don't show up. You should go to an event that you do support. Not disrupt an event like a child and not expect to get popped in the face.

I don't think it's a matter of people protesting Trump simply because they do not support him. It's more about people objecting to having a racist neo-nazi promote hate, violence and racism. It's the same reason why we protested the war Viet Nam and help bring an end to that travesty. What Trump stands for and promotes is a travesty and many Americans find it abhorrent that so many give support to that. Protest against that is a reasonable, justifiable reaction.

I agree. Yes to free speech, but no to preaching hate, violence, and racism. As Jose said earlier, Trump is promoting violence against his protestors. Is this a person who should be our president? No, no, hell no. What about his quote saying he could shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and he wouldn't lose voters?

I can see why people are protesting.

Pearl34Jam said:

brianlux said:

Pearl34Jam said:

rustneversleeps said:

Pearl34Jam said:

josevolution said:

Protester was beat up today !

They shouldn't have protested.

this is almost as comical as "the silent majority" badge

If you don't support someone or something, then don't show up. You should go to an event that you do support. Not disrupt an event like a child and not expect to get popped in the face.

I don't think it's a matter of people protesting Trump simply because they do not support him. It's more about people objecting to having a racist neo-nazi promote hate, violence and racism. It's the same reason why we protested the war Viet Nam and help bring an end to that travesty. What Trump stands for and promotes is a travesty and many Americans find it abhorrent that so many give support to that. Protest against that is a reasonable, justifiable reaction.

And our "very active" President Obama doesn't divide the country? Why does he not ask groups such as the Black Lives Matter group to be peaceful? Why does he not refer to ISIS as terrorists? And how about him saying that Conservatives cling to their guns and religion?

He's completely divided the country and hasn't been able to control the violence and anger. We need someone that will bring about peace and (that familiar word) CHANGE for the better of our country.

No he absolutely doesn't. Turn off Fox News...that's the only news organization pushing the garbage that you are posting.

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

This one still baffles me.

Not to mention all the Right Wing smears of the band and Eddie in particular.

Remember this Gem?

Pearl Jam Clown Eddie Vedder Goes on Ugly Anti-Israel Rant
What a surprise to see a liberal icon expose himself as an ignorant buffoon.


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Eddie has never been shy about his politics.

Pearl Jam frontman Eddie Vedder celebrated his New Year in Hawaii, performing at a pair of holiday shows with comedian Bill Maher, and he used the opportunity to poke fun at GOP presidential hopeful Donald Trump.

Read More: Eddie Vedder Mocks Donald Trump at Bill Maher’s New Year’s Eve Show | http://diffuser.fm/eddie-vedder-mocks-donald-trump-at-bill-mahers-new-years-eve-show/?trackback=tsmclip

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

You did say "highly conservative" so in thinking about it some more I'd have to more or less agree given that qualification since most folks of that specific alignment would probably find a lot of their lyrics not to their liking. But to me, Pearl Jam's basic premise just seems to be (and excuse the vulgarity) respect others, help out where you can, and don't be a douche. Beyond far fringes on either side I think that should appeal to most people. (and to just for clarity, I am in no way suggesting they aren't liberal).

Anyway, didn't mean to hijack, back to the Trump loony train!

InHiding80 said:

brianlux said:

ckravitz said:

brianlux said:

myoung321 said:

If I were going to a website that has a MAJORITY of members that were Conservatives, then started baiting threads everyday, that I knew were going to create arguments, I would hope to begin to think just maybe I needed to rethink my need for attention.

I've asked the same questions you've asked a couple of times. myyoung, and never really gotten much a fix on it. Odd as it may seem, there are some very conservative people who enjoy the music made by a band that has been outspokenly liberal in their viewpoints. I sometimes wonder if there are very liberal minded folks who still listen to Ted Nugent. Yes, very perplexing.

Is it really perplexing? With all due respect this can be seen as making inferences towards the old "you're with us or you're against us" mentality. Perhaps people find solace in Pearl Jam's art in ways that transcend political views. You can care deeply about people/things despite not seeing eye to eye on things political. There's a lot more to life than that! I know you know this so please don't read this as uppity or preachy but this line of discussion has come up before and it kind of comes across as exclusionary. Beyond the band preaching any type of hatred (which they obviously don't) I don't see why people of all backgrounds, opinions, etc., can't find something from them. I think it is pretty awesome that people enjoy the band despite having differing opinions and coming from different walks of life.

What do you think the band members would say if asked whether they think it's cool to question fandom based purely on political views? Beyond basic human rights stuff, politics are but a small picture of what someone is and I think they know this (but who knows, maybe I'm wrong).

I'm not saying that people who are highly conservative should not be Pearl Jam fans. I never said that. I just find it odd. It's not like the band's liberal/progressive attributes are like their clothes of hair cuts which have changed numerous times during their career. Those progressive elements have been an integral part of they band all along. So yeah, it is perplexing... to me at least. But do I think conservatives should not be allowed to be fans? Of course they can.

Kasich is a fan of them as well. I read about this in Entertainment Weekly. He also loves Floyd and Rush. Hell, I don't agree with Ayn Rand's philosophies but Neil Peart is a well rounded human being. He's even outspoken against libertarian Rand Paul which is good since he's one of those cafeteria libertarians that irritate me. Rand aside, I rock out to Anthem from Fly By Night every time I hear that intro riff by Lifeson.

Then again, he's the most "sane" one of the debates.

Good points.

What probably should be pointed out is that music stands on its own in the sonic realm. I love Dinosaur Jr but hell if I know what J is singing about half the time, haha!

What makes the least sense to me is when someone logs on here with the idea that promoting a conservative agenda is going to sway anyone's opinion. I can almost guarantee that not one person who posts on AMT has gone from being a progressive to being a Trump supporter. And, again, I'm not saying there should be a rule against supporting a conservative agenda on AMT but that several people have spent so much time attempting to so so seems puzzling to me.

Now I can see why some might try to sway opinions on subjects that have a lot of grey area (not to me, but to people in general)- birth control, economics, energy, taxation, for example. But when it comes to supporting a candidate who is a recognized racist... rooting for that man here? Why bother? I really don't think anyone here who supports Bernie Sanders one day is going to say, "Screw that Bernie guy, I'm going with Trump!" I mean, if that's how you want to spend your energy, well, OK then. Good luck with that.