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polaris_x · January 2016

Cliffy6745 said:

polaris_x said:

Cliffy6745 said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

pureoc said:

Cliffy6745 said:
Is Barry Bonds the best player of a generation? Yes/No

Is Clemens one of the best pitchers of a generation? Yes/No
Statistically speaking, yes, but those stats weren't necessarily legit and earned without aid.
Their statistics are 100% legit and were earned by playing within the rules of the league at the time.
how's that? ... steroids were banned unofficially till they were officially banned in 2005
In 1990, Congress passed the Anabolic Steroids Control Act, making steroids a Class III substance (same as amphetamines, opium, morphine). As a response, MLB mentioned steroids as part of the illegal drugs/controlled substances memo in 1991. However, there were no standards constituting education, testing, punishment, or even what specific drugs were considered.

I mean, if you can prove that these players were all injecting themselves with anabolic steroids, and thus performing illegally, then I'll eat crow for dinner. The fact is, players used other performance enhancers to circumvent the controlled subtances ban; substances that were not specifically mentioned as being banned and were perfectly legal in the eyes of the sport. And as the home runs were being hit and viewership & attendance were rising, what did MLB do? Turned a blind eye because they were raking in millions. MLB promoted it. They created the monster. Why should the players' accomplishments during that era suffer because of that?
http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3884416

don't get me wrong ... i'm not saying the mlb is innocent here ... they are just like every other league in their motivations ...

i do think at the heart of it all - all those guys cheated and they know they cheated ... mcgwire knew he cheated and so did all the others ... if they managed to circumvent rules but did not cheat - why cover it up? ... pro sports is all about trying to circumnavigating rules ...

i also believe that there were players who chose not to cheat ... and denying some of these guys entry into the HOF is, albeit, a token gesture that they did the right thing ... rewarding people who knowingly cheated doesn't seem right to me ...
Sounds good. So please provide a list of people who cheated and who didn't. Easy as that.
well ... sure ... it's all speculation and for sure some are gonna get through the cracks because they don't have the integrity to admit to cheating ...

but who currently being blacklisted doesn't have some reasonable evidence against them?
Cracks? Dude, some speculated that almost 90% of big leaguers were juicing. That is not people slipping through cracks. That is 9 our of 10 players going into the hall from a time period likely cheated, regardless if their name is associated with it or not.

do you believe 90% of players inducted in the last decade cheated?

Cliffy6745 · January 2016

polaris_x said:

Cliffy6745 said:

polaris_x said:

Cliffy6745 said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

pureoc said:

Cliffy6745 said:
Is Barry Bonds the best player of a generation? Yes/No

Is Clemens one of the best pitchers of a generation? Yes/No
Statistically speaking, yes, but those stats weren't necessarily legit and earned without aid.
Their statistics are 100% legit and were earned by playing within the rules of the league at the time.
how's that? ... steroids were banned unofficially till they were officially banned in 2005
In 1990, Congress passed the Anabolic Steroids Control Act, making steroids a Class III substance (same as amphetamines, opium, morphine). As a response, MLB mentioned steroids as part of the illegal drugs/controlled substances memo in 1991. However, there were no standards constituting education, testing, punishment, or even what specific drugs were considered.

I mean, if you can prove that these players were all injecting themselves with anabolic steroids, and thus performing illegally, then I'll eat crow for dinner. The fact is, players used other performance enhancers to circumvent the controlled subtances ban; substances that were not specifically mentioned as being banned and were perfectly legal in the eyes of the sport. And as the home runs were being hit and viewership & attendance were rising, what did MLB do? Turned a blind eye because they were raking in millions. MLB promoted it. They created the monster. Why should the players' accomplishments during that era suffer because of that?
http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3884416

don't get me wrong ... i'm not saying the mlb is innocent here ... they are just like every other league in their motivations ...

i do think at the heart of it all - all those guys cheated and they know they cheated ... mcgwire knew he cheated and so did all the others ... if they managed to circumvent rules but did not cheat - why cover it up? ... pro sports is all about trying to circumnavigating rules ...

i also believe that there were players who chose not to cheat ... and denying some of these guys entry into the HOF is, albeit, a token gesture that they did the right thing ... rewarding people who knowingly cheated doesn't seem right to me ...
Sounds good. So please provide a list of people who cheated and who didn't. Easy as that.
well ... sure ... it's all speculation and for sure some are gonna get through the cracks because they don't have the integrity to admit to cheating ...

but who currently being blacklisted doesn't have some reasonable evidence against them?
Cracks? Dude, some speculated that almost 90% of big leaguers were juicing. That is not people slipping through cracks. That is 9 our of 10 players going into the hall from a time period likely cheated, regardless if their name is associated with it or not.
do you believe 90% of players inducted in the last decade cheated?

No, not necessarily, but there is no way of knowing

polaris_x · January 2016

Cliffy6745 said:

polaris_x said:

Cliffy6745 said:

polaris_x said:

Cliffy6745 said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

pureoc said:

Cliffy6745 said:
Is Barry Bonds the best player of a generation? Yes/No

Is Clemens one of the best pitchers of a generation? Yes/No
Statistically speaking, yes, but those stats weren't necessarily legit and earned without aid.
Their statistics are 100% legit and were earned by playing within the rules of the league at the time.
how's that? ... steroids were banned unofficially till they were officially banned in 2005
In 1990, Congress passed the Anabolic Steroids Control Act, making steroids a Class III substance (same as amphetamines, opium, morphine). As a response, MLB mentioned steroids as part of the illegal drugs/controlled substances memo in 1991. However, there were no standards constituting education, testing, punishment, or even what specific drugs were considered.

I mean, if you can prove that these players were all injecting themselves with anabolic steroids, and thus performing illegally, then I'll eat crow for dinner. The fact is, players used other performance enhancers to circumvent the controlled subtances ban; substances that were not specifically mentioned as being banned and were perfectly legal in the eyes of the sport. And as the home runs were being hit and viewership & attendance were rising, what did MLB do? Turned a blind eye because they were raking in millions. MLB promoted it. They created the monster. Why should the players' accomplishments during that era suffer because of that?
http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3884416

don't get me wrong ... i'm not saying the mlb is innocent here ... they are just like every other league in their motivations ...

i do think at the heart of it all - all those guys cheated and they know they cheated ... mcgwire knew he cheated and so did all the others ... if they managed to circumvent rules but did not cheat - why cover it up? ... pro sports is all about trying to circumnavigating rules ...

i also believe that there were players who chose not to cheat ... and denying some of these guys entry into the HOF is, albeit, a token gesture that they did the right thing ... rewarding people who knowingly cheated doesn't seem right to me ...
Sounds good. So please provide a list of people who cheated and who didn't. Easy as that.
well ... sure ... it's all speculation and for sure some are gonna get through the cracks because they don't have the integrity to admit to cheating ...

but who currently being blacklisted doesn't have some reasonable evidence against them?
Cracks? Dude, some speculated that almost 90% of big leaguers were juicing. That is not people slipping through cracks. That is 9 our of 10 players going into the hall from a time period likely cheated, regardless if their name is associated with it or not.
do you believe 90% of players inducted in the last decade cheated?
No, not necessarily, but there is no way of knowing

what do you think that number is like ... objectively and honestly ...

i'm obviously no expert ... but if the number is like 30% and we can go through the names - I'd kind of agree but in a sad kind of way ... if it's like 5% ... then I'd be more leaning towards - those guys will be found out ... I think guys like Griffey and Halladay speaking up against dopers is telling on how some players feel about these guys ...

cutz · January 2016

Cliffy6745 said:

igotid88 said:
Everyone cheated. Even in the 1920s
Yep

And, they didn't play against the best players either.

darwinstheory · January 2016

Cliffy6745 said:
http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2016/01/08/former-cardinals-scouting-director-to-be-indicted-for-hacking-the-astros-today/

How is this not the biggest deal ever? How are there not some insane penalties on the Cards?

Because it's the Cardinals. MLB's golden child. Second, because this came out 1 day before the NFL playoffs start and 3 days before the CFP Championship. Had it been released on April 3rd, big difference in publicity.

DewieCox · January 2016

Or it could be the Cardinals cooperated 100%, dumped the guy and the guy was a rogue employee that's taken full responsibility. Also, results probably weren't affected as much as Cardinal haters want to believe. They deserve some punishment, but they're not repeat offenders and they didn't have any knowledge of it going on. And maybe they're getting a break since it was pretty idiotic for the Astros to not change passwords.

Wobbie · January 2016

polaris_x said:

Cliffy6745 said:

polaris_x said:

Cliffy6745 said:

polaris_x said:

Cliffy6745 said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

polaris_x said:

HesCalledDyer said:

pureoc said:

Cliffy6745 said:
Is Barry Bonds the best player of a generation? Yes/No

Is Clemens one of the best pitchers of a generation? Yes/No
Statistically speaking, yes, but those stats weren't necessarily legit and earned without aid.
Their statistics are 100% legit and were earned by playing within the rules of the league at the time.
how's that? ... steroids were banned unofficially till they were officially banned in 2005
In 1990, Congress passed the Anabolic Steroids Control Act, making steroids a Class III substance (same as amphetamines, opium, morphine). As a response, MLB mentioned steroids as part of the illegal drugs/controlled substances memo in 1991. However, there were no standards constituting education, testing, punishment, or even what specific drugs were considered.

I mean, if you can prove that these players were all injecting themselves with anabolic steroids, and thus performing illegally, then I'll eat crow for dinner. The fact is, players used other performance enhancers to circumvent the controlled subtances ban; substances that were not specifically mentioned as being banned and were perfectly legal in the eyes of the sport. And as the home runs were being hit and viewership & attendance were rising, what did MLB do? Turned a blind eye because they were raking in millions. MLB promoted it. They created the monster. Why should the players' accomplishments during that era suffer because of that?
http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3884416

don't get me wrong ... i'm not saying the mlb is innocent here ... they are just like every other league in their motivations ...

i do think at the heart of it all - all those guys cheated and they know they cheated ... mcgwire knew he cheated and so did all the others ... if they managed to circumvent rules but did not cheat - why cover it up? ... pro sports is all about trying to circumnavigating rules ...

i also believe that there were players who chose not to cheat ... and denying some of these guys entry into the HOF is, albeit, a token gesture that they did the right thing ... rewarding people who knowingly cheated doesn't seem right to me ...
Sounds good. So please provide a list of people who cheated and who didn't. Easy as that.
well ... sure ... it's all speculation and for sure some are gonna get through the cracks because they don't have the integrity to admit to cheating ...

but who currently being blacklisted doesn't have some reasonable evidence against them?
Cracks? Dude, some speculated that almost 90% of big leaguers were juicing. That is not people slipping through cracks. That is 9 our of 10 players going into the hall from a time period likely cheated, regardless if their name is associated with it or not.
do you believe 90% of players inducted in the last decade cheated?
No, not necessarily, but there is no way of knowing
what do you think that number is like ... objectively and honestly ...

i'm obviously no expert ... but if the number is like 30% and we can go through the names - I'd kind of agree but in a sad kind of way ... if it's like 5% ... then I'd be more leaning towards - those guys will be found out ... I think guys like Griffey and Halladay speaking up against dopers is telling on how some players feel about these guys ...

yeah rafael palmiero is down on the dopers, too. wait, what?

Cliffy6745 · January 2016

Boras does his thing again. Awful contracts...

Indifference71 · January 2016

Cliffy6745 said:
Boras does his thing again. Awful contracts...

Crazy. The rest of the OF market should play out here now. Really hoping the white sox end up with Cespedes or Upton. But not for anything longer than 4-5 years. These 6-7 year deals are just terrible.

Cliffy6745 · February 2016

Mejia is the first player permanently suspended for PEDs

Wobbie · February 2016

I was just reminded that harper and papeldouche are still on the same team

igotid88 · February 2016

Tony Phillips has passed away

Cliffy6745 · March 2016

I am pretty sure Cespedes is my new favorite player.

Insane cars...done
Buying a pig at a state fair...done
Riding a horse to spring training...done

Dude is living it up.

HesCalledDyer · March 2016

Cliffy6745 said:
I am pretty sure Cespedes is my new favorite player.

Insane cars...done
Buying a pig at a state fair...done
Riding a horse to spring training...done

Dude is living it up.

My favorite so far is him giving the keys to the Lambo to one of the kitchen staffers to go get Eggos at Target. Apparently he only eats round waffles, and they had square that morning.

Cliffy6745 · March 2016

HesCalledDyer said:

Cliffy6745 said:
I am pretty sure Cespedes is my new favorite player.

Insane cars...done
Buying a pig at a state fair...done
Riding a horse to spring training...done

Dude is living it up.
My favorite so far is him giving the keys to the Lambo to one of the kitchen staffers to go get Eggos at Target. Apparently he only eats round waffles, and they had square that morning.

HAHAHA. Yes, I did see this. All for round waffles!

F Me In The Brain · March 2016

I laughed at all of this YC stuff as well -- truly hope we dont read about him being broke in 10 years. Some of these guys spend money like it is water and save nothing. Hard to imagine knowing how big the checks are, but I guess it is all relative. Hopefully he knows enough to save a wad to live on after the checks stop coming.
That is a sweet, sweet ride.

As a Reds fan everything is downhill from here, sadly.
0-0 and start Spring Schedule today.
Team sold off a bunch and will continue to sell if you believe reports.

With Homer Baily and John Lamb still not ready, here is what appears to be the top 5 to head into the season as starting pitching for my beloved Redlegs:

Anthony DeSclafani
Raisel Iglesias
Michael Lorenzen
Brandon Finnegan
Jon Moscot

Holy crap. Even if you play the Spring Training Best Case Scenario Optimism Abounds game....that is not a group that gets you close to the playoffs. If Homer and Lamb came back early I guess there are some crazy fans who would go on potential and try to make a case for Wild Card contention but I think they lose 100 games.

Everyday lineup projection:

C - Devon Mesoraco
1B - Joey Votto
2B - Brandon Phillips
(wait, why was I so down on this team? First three guys listed all could be very good!)
SS - Zack Cozart
3B - Eugenio Suarez
LF - Jesse Winkler (rookie, hope they start him with the big club. Otherwise, some bum out there)
CF - Bill Hamilton
RF - Jay Bruce (soon to be of the Orioles I think. If so, some bum out there.)

This is why I am so down on them. If Bruce goes this lineup is the worst in their division. If they have a good year and get solid production from their veterans (Votto, Phillips), keep Bruce, and see growth from youngsters (Meso, Suarez, Hamilton, Winkler) they could soar.....up 1 spot and pass the shitty Brewers. The SP is such a grease fire!

Damn -- bad club, gonna be a long year.

How do others like their teams?

Just to get this out of the way now -- f all of you Giants fans and your every-other-year bs. (JK, obviously I would love for my team to be doing that well!)

Amongst the Ani · March 2016

I'm seeing the Reds on Wednesday next week and will let you know how they look. If you want me to heckle any pitchers let me know. Sitting front row next to where the pitchers have to walk by from pen. It's in Giants stadium so no one will complain should I unleash some profanity laced insults on a Reds pitcher.

So far as the Giants it's an even year. World Series is coming back to San Fran. Posey hits his normal .320 with 25 homers, Cueto is old Cueto and ends in top 10 in Cy Voting with MadBum getting World Series MVP again.

F Me In The Brain · March 2016

Bring something for your kids if they like DatDudeBP Brandon Phillips at all. He is cool and talks with people alog the rail quite a bit usually.
I don't boo anyone except for Yadi Molina.
Hope Cueto is great for you.

Cliffy6745 · March 2016

The Harper and Gossage stuff is awesome. For the record, Harper is correct.

Gossage is the pits. Go away.

Cliffy6745 · March 2016

Also, this. Don't flip your bat, but drill 10 year olds with a big league fastball.

https://twitter.com/VocalMinoritySD/status/708029989879349248

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