America's Gun Violence

rgambs said:

There are just too many stories of verbal arguments leading to carriers blasting away, like the (highly trained and disciplined) cop in Florida that blew a guy away for talking in the theater.

This is wrong. Citizens with legal carry permits have been proven to be among the most law-abiding members of society. More than the typical LEO even.

Godfather. said:

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/leaked-obamas-blueprint-gun-confiscation-all-guns/

I couldn't read this, the link won't work unless you are wearing a tinfoil hat.

Here is an interesting read as well. Sorry, work is slow today!!!
http://www.investors.com/politics/perspective/john-lott-even-liberal-academics-are-turning-pro-gun-ownership/

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

eddiec said:

PJPOWER said:

Here's an interesting take from one of the Eagles of Death Metal members about gun laws in Paris.
http://bearingarms.com/paris-massacre-eagles-death-metal-singer-calls-widespread-gun-ownership/?utm_source=bafbp&utm_medium=fbpage&utm_campaign=baupdate

"Multiple foreign language sources indicate that two of the eight attackers were killed shortly after beginning their attack on a cafe by three of the cafe’s customers."

You would think something that big would have been written in 1 English paper. It's credibility is highly doubtful.

As for Hughes position: Does he want concert goers to be allowed to bring guns into arenas? Because that is pretty insane.

But if you think about it... your hands get pretty sore clapping for those encores.

We could use our guns instead of our hands- blasting shots into the air and yelling "Yee Haw" could make a lot of noise and inspire the band to come out and really rock for us.

The possibility of a psycho getting mad because somebody bumped into him repeatedly in the pit, or having an intense hatred for a replacement drummer and shooting someone is very unlikely.

Wow, I didn't even take the same thing from that article that you guys did, lol. I don't think he was advocating mass armament at his concert, but rather how the laws in Paris did not prevent this from happening. In my opinion, guns at a concert are not a good thing and I would not advocate it in the least. I look at it as the same way bars are no place for handguns. On the other hand, that places the responsibility on the venue to ensure the people inside are protected via barriers/metal detectors and if those are not available, maybe they should consider hiring someone armed to protect the people from such incidents. Especially true since these assholes seem to be targeting places that are soft targets with large crowds. By going to a concert you expose yourself to certain risks, but whose shoulder does the burden of protection fall on? Psychos are not going to turn around if they see a "no guns allowed" sign, so what's the solution?

I'm just goofing around.

Godfather. said:

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/leaked-obamas-blueprint-gun-confiscation-all-guns/

Damn link doesn't work for me either.

But then again Im not a racist homophobic xenophobe

bootlegger10 said:

dudeman said:

covered in bliss said:

bootlegger10 said:

I've never thought about owning a gun. I am single with no kids so I don't have some instinct that I need one to protect my family or anything.

Well, today, a neighbor in my apartment complex charged me with his car twice (drive at me, stopped a foot short, backed up and drove right at my car again and stopped a foot short). All he had to do was turn left and get to the street, but he wanted to turn left past another row of cars behind me and then go to the same street (i.e., he didn't need me to move my car at all to get where he wanted to go). The way the parking lot is set up he should have taken the first left anyway. I have a nice car that I love and didn't want it keyed later on so I backed up and just let the psychopath through, but I wish I would have got out of the car and confronted the guy.

That was the first time where I thought having a gun would be handy. Not in this situation necessarily because I didn't want the false confidence a gun would provide and start a shouting match, but moreso because you just never know what kind of psychopath or drugged up individual you may run into.

That's an interesting choice of words. (bold above)

Do you think that gun owners are confrontational?

Yeah , that's a pretty strange thing to say. False confidence isn't something I can relate to as a gun owner. That notion implies that one might take chances that they wouldn't if they didn't have a gun.

IME, I find the opposite to be true.

I would think that having a gun may make someone feel a little more confident to confront someone who bothers them because if it escalates they will have the protection of the gun, versus just avoiding the conflict to begin with.

I am not talking about all gun owners. I Would be hard pressed though to say that carrying a gun wouldn't make them more confident than they normally would.

I disagree with the first part. You would have no idea if the other person is carrying, too, so why would you want a situation to escalate? You could get yourself shot!

I agree with being more confident. I go camping and hiking whenever possible, sometimes by myself. After a few hairy incidents, it's either carry or stay home. There are too many weirdos out there.

rgambs said:

Godfather. said:

http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/leaked-obamas-blueprint-gun-confiscation-all-guns/

I couldn't read this, the link won't work unless you are wearing a tinfoil hat.

They can be quite comfortable and cost effective

PJPOWER said:

mickeyrat said:

Pjpower , i think there was a thread based on what you are posting already in place. Post these stories there will you?

Unless your intent is to show, violence begets violence.

I was nicely asked to start posting these articles by a fellow member a couple pages back (pjsoul). My intent was to appease that member. But I'll stop if that's what everyone wants. I guess my point was that people use guns stop other forms of violence on a regular basis. I feel I have made my point.

That point was already understood but it is moot.

The incidents for self defence are dramatically disproportionate to the daily gun homocides.

Not to mention the fact that most of these self defence stories we read detail people defending themselves against a gun.

And nobody is saying the homeowner shouldn't have a gun. People are deliberating what type of gun is appropriate. A shotgun has as much stopping power as a person would ever need stopping an intruder. An assault rifle or handgun is unnecessary.

Don't worry though. As much as legislation is needed for gun control, it will never happen. Outside of some voices, your country has either decided the cons are not enough to outweigh the 'fun' factor for enthusiasts... or they are willingly blind to the obvious. That's one of the pitfalls of a democracy: even fools get a voice.

The problem your country experiences could be fixed in time, but the will simply isn't there. Let's be honest about that.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

mickeyrat said:

Pjpower , i think there was a thread based on what you are posting already in place. Post these stories there will you?

Unless your intent is to show, violence begets violence.

I was nicely asked to start posting these articles by a fellow member a couple pages back (pjsoul). My intent was to appease that member. But I'll stop if that's what everyone wants. I guess my point was that people use guns stop other forms of violence on a regular basis. I feel I have made my point.

That point was already understood but it is moot.

The incidents for self defence are dramatically disproportionate to the daily gun homocides.

Not to mention the fact that most of these self defence stories we read detail people defending themselves against a gun.

And nobody is saying the homeowner shouldn't have a gun. People are deliberating what type of gun is appropriate. A shotgun has as much stopping power as a person would ever need stopping an intruder. An assault rifle or handgun is unnecessary.

Don't worry though. As much as legislation is needed for gun control, it will never happen. Outside of some voices, your country has either decided the cons are not enough to outweigh the 'fun' factor for enthusiasts... or they are willingly blind to the obvious. That's one of the pitfalls of a democracy: even fools get a voice.

The problem your country experiences could be fixed in time, but the will simply isn't there. Let's be honest about that.

The only reason I jumped in here is because someone WAS saying that private ownership of all guns should be outlawed a few pages back. You may not have that opinion, but it is not fair to say "nobody" does. I believe the time and money wasted on attacking firearms could be better allocated on increasing availability of after school programs, mental health, education. People in this country are realistically just not going to give up their firearms...whether it be what some describe as "assault rifles" or handguns. That is a losing battle and only creates a defensive stance and gets people "up in arms"-pun intended. In order to decrease violence in Chiraq (Chicago) and similar cities with major violence rates, children need to have options other than gangs, drugs, poverty, etc. Billions have been spent on this "gun control" battle. What would 1 billion dollars do if spent on even one inner city or ghetto? Pretty sure you could lower gun violence in other ways than attempting to create magical disappearing act of handguns and semi-automatic rifles.