America's Gun Violence

dudeman said:

cincybearcat said:

jeffbr said:

dudeman said:

cincybearcat said:

I'm so tired of the gun violence and America's love of guns.

There are some really good people that generally have really solid values that just can;t see what's right in front of them. It's crazy. While I'm generally against raising taxes, perhaps ammo should have a 1,000,000% tax. Buy the gun, but can;t afford to load it much would be great!

So only rich people could afford to exercise their right to keep and bear arms? More proposed ideals that target poor people.

A super high ammo tax would also likely lead to a huge increase of theft and black market activity.

It will also insure that people won't be going to the range to improve their skills with firearms, since it will be too expensive to practice. Seems like a bad idea to me.

Honestly, nothing could be much worse then we have. When has an armed person stopped a shooting? Now compare that to the number of deaths from accidental shootings.

The number of people that think they need guns in this country is stupid.

I read somewhere that 2,000,000 people have used firearms to prevent themselves or others from being murdered or raped.

I read somewhere that there were 10,000,000,000 accident deaths from shootings...let's do the math now!!

eddiec said:

Where? I would like to see that.

Dont think anyone will ever see those numbers. There is no official record kept to track the numbers. Also there is no requirement to report that a crime was prevented by use of a firearm. The so called experts make estimations and run with the numbers. Try researching the numbers and its like throwing a dart at a dartboard. The estimates are all over the place.

Stickman12 said:

eddiec said:

Where? I would like to see that.

Dont think anyone will ever see those numbers. There is no official record kept to track the numbers. Also there is no requirement to report that a crime was prevented by use of a firearm. The so called experts make estimations and run with the numbers. Try researching the numbers and its like throwing a dart at a dartboard. The estimates are all over the place.

Yup, you're right. I researched the stats last night. (After I posted......my bad.) The NRA gives stats between 2 and 2.5 million and other, anti-gun groups conduct studies to contradict the NRAs claims. One that I found claimed only 256 incidents. Both sides are pretty flawed, it seems.

eddiec said:

dudeman said:

Stickman12 said:

eddiec said:

Where? I would like to see that.

Dont think anyone will ever see those numbers. There is no official record kept to track the numbers. Also there is no requirement to report that a crime was prevented by use of a firearm. The so called experts make estimations and run with the numbers. Try researching the numbers and its like throwing a dart at a dartboard. The estimates are all over the place.

Yup, you're right. I researched the stats last night. (After I posted......my bad.) The NRA gives stats between 2 and 2.5 million and other, anti-gun groups conduct studies to contradict the NRAs claims. One that I found claimed only 256 incidents. Both sides are pretty flawed, it seems.

I think if this was transpiring on a regular basis it would be a daily or weekly report on Fox News.

The thing is, just because you own a gun or carry a gun does not mean you will be able to prevent a crime from happening. In fact, I would say only in the rarest of situations would your gun come in handy.

it does happen on a regular basis but what fun is that for the news to report on. No crime due to someone intervening as opposed to the local liquor store getting robbed follow by a police chase with a few twists is a better story.

eddiec said:

dudeman said:

Stickman12 said:

eddiec said:

Where? I would like to see that.

Dont think anyone will ever see those numbers. There is no official record kept to track the numbers. Also there is no requirement to report that a crime was prevented by use of a firearm. The so called experts make estimations and run with the numbers. Try researching the numbers and its like throwing a dart at a dartboard. The estimates are all over the place.

Yup, you're right. I researched the stats last night. (After I posted......my bad.) The NRA gives stats between 2 and 2.5 million and other, anti-gun groups conduct studies to contradict the NRAs claims. One that I found claimed only 256 incidents. Both sides are pretty flawed, it seems.

I think if this was transpiring on a regular basis it would be a daily or weekly report on Fox News.

The thing is, just because you own a gun or carry a gun does not mean you will be able to prevent a crime from happening. In fact, I would say only in the rarest of situations would your gun come in handy.

From my own personal experience, I have a friend who used his gun to stop a carjacking. His wife and baby were in the vehicle at the time.

I also have lost loved ones to violent criminals. While I can't say that their having a gun would have guaranteed their survival, it may have.

You're right in the notion that just having a gun with you is enough. One must also seek the knowledge and training to use it effectively against intended targets while minimizing risk to innocents.

There are those of us who have sought that training and accept the responsibility that comes with it. It's a very personal decision and, IMO, one that law-abiding citizens should be able to make for themselves.

eddiec said:

Stickman12 said:

eddiec said:

dudeman said:

Stickman12 said:

eddiec said:

Where? I would like to see that.

Dont think anyone will ever see those numbers. There is no official record kept to track the numbers. Also there is no requirement to report that a crime was prevented by use of a firearm. The so called experts make estimations and run with the numbers. Try researching the numbers and its like throwing a dart at a dartboard. The estimates are all over the place.

Yup, you're right. I researched the stats last night. (After I posted......my bad.) The NRA gives stats between 2 and 2.5 million and other, anti-gun groups conduct studies to contradict the NRAs claims. One that I found claimed only 256 incidents. Both sides are pretty flawed, it seems.

I think if this was transpiring on a regular basis it would be a daily or weekly report on Fox News.

The thing is, just because you own a gun or carry a gun does not mean you will be able to prevent a crime from happening. In fact, I would say only in the rarest of situations would your gun come in handy.

it does happen on a regular basis but what fun is that for the news to report on. No crime due to someone intervening as opposed to the local liquor store getting robbed follow by a police chase with a few twists is a better story.

Really? It couldn't be more relevant. Guns are one of the biggest issues in politics right now and news agencies are in the business of getting politicians elected. If this was happening all the time it would be all over Fox News. It would be confirmation bias for all the gun advocates and it would resonate more than a police chase that we are so used to by now. If you want police chases you can always watch 'Cops'.

Whats relevant to the news is ratings and business. What will get you viewers, what will bring them back. When a crime is stopped because someone intervenes with a gun or whatever other means, the story literally comes and goes and its off to the next story. When there is a story of a senseless shooting, robbery, etc. the story gets more air time, people get interviewed on camera, and so on.

WTF?

http://www.picayuneitem.com/2016/01/two-dead-two-injured-over-25-repair-charge/


AT A GUN STORE

Smellyman said:

mickeyrat said:

WTF?

http://www.picayuneitem.com/2016/01/two-dead-two-injured-over-25-repair-charge/


AT A GUN STORE

I was just coming to post this.

Lesson: Don't agrue in a gun store......

Don't argue with anybody who has a gun. It will be solved wild west style.

Yeeeeehaaaawwwww

i was going to post it too.

responsible gun owners for sure.

if they were responsible they wouldn't be killing someone over a measley $25. they would have talked it out because they did not want to see anyone get hurt.

facefuckingpalm

dudeman said:

I read about this story on a gun forum earlier. You know what's interesting? They were all saying the same things as the posters here.

It's always 'someone else'.

Until it's not.