Sean Penn's 'interview' with El Chapo

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:

Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.

I don't think so. I think some people see him as an entitled celebrity with a god complex.

Who also beat his wife...

That is actually just conjecture. The charges on that were dropped, and him and Madonna are on good terms now, so for all we know, that never even happened. Madonna might have just made the whole thing up; she was kind of fucked up in the 80s. Maybe she didn't make it up. But maybe. In any case, there is literally no proof and nothing legal saying that he actually beat his wife, and he has never been accused of abuse before or after, and Madonna is okay with him.

Never accused of "domestic" abuse before or after perhaps. But he had plenty of public physical altercations, especially directed at paparazzi during his Madonna years, so we know he has/had some trouble controlling his testosterone.

You mean controlling his anger? Don't make it a "man" thing. I never blame anyone for blowing up at paparazzi. I assume they are absolutely infuriating, and while I don't condone it, I understand lashing out at them.
At any rate, none of this has anything to do with the discussion at hand. If these things are influencing attitudes about the El Chapo thing here, then I call bullshit on the applicable arguments that have been put forth in this thread.

OK, controlling his anger works for me. You're right, it isn't a "man" thing, it is a self-control thing.

And I neither like nor dislike Penn. I loved him as Jeff Spicoli, and think he's done great things in Haiti. I also think he's a bit of a self-absorbed douche. So it evens out for me.

As far as the El Chapo thing goes, I think El Chapo fancied himself a celebrity, so it is natural that he'd seek out celebrities to improve his "celebrity" creds. The interview was done by Penn and brokered by some famous Latina actress. It was an interesting article, but read a bit like a dime store detective novel. Anyway, I don't really care one way or another. I don't think he aided and abetted an enemy, and I don't think he's done anything deserving of a Pulitzer prize so no praise or damnation from me. It was an interesting piece done for a rag that is going through it's own issues of journalistic integrity. Rolling Stone has become a rock 'n roll version of People magazine.

Yeah, that's pretty much where I stand. I am not offended, and I'm not invested. Though I do find the whole drug lord thing pretty interesting, so am kind of hoping something actually entertaining comes of this. Like maybe a really good El Chapo movie. My first assumption was actually that Sean Penn did this for that exact purpose, in the end, but who knows.
I have always been a pretty big fan of Sean Penn as an actor (and omg, he is so good in Mystic River, which he also directed, but I like a LOT of the movies he's been in). I really never gave any thought to his personal life and still don't. But as far as the accusation by Madonna... saying it's true or half true or whatever... that was 30 years ago and a one time thing. Cliffy, do think that a person really can't change and can't be forgiven for something bad they did decades ago? I am not ready to just forgive terrible acts at the drop of a hat, but one unsubstantiated episode 30 years ago between two people I don't know and who were both probably all fucked up on drugs and alcohol at the time is not something I'm going to carry a grudge about.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

What was his reputation while filming Dead Man Walking?
Was he this piece of shit some people suggest he is now? Pearl Jam probably would not contribute or associate themselves with such a film if it was true.

Yeah, good point. Isn't he also one of Eddie's best friends?? Yeah, I think if he was a horrible, evil abuser of women that wouldn't be the case.

Ahhh, yes, as noted I thought all this Sean penn love may have to do with this musician

I like Chris Penn as well. And Michael Penn's "No Myth" is one of my favorite songs of all time. And he's married to Aimee Mann who I also adore. Seems like a pretty good group of brothers to me.

dankind said:

For the record: Clint Eastwood directed Mystic River.

Sean has a long way to go before he's that good.

Oh right, thanks. Duh, I knew that. Clint makes amazing movies. But anyway, Penn is great in that movie. Do I ever bawl in the "Is that my daughter in there?!" scene.

the el chapo shirt

I would say Sean Penn is the left equivalent of Clint Eastwood.

HesCalledDyer said:

I would say Sean Penn is the left equivalent of Clint Eastwood.

Ah cept penn is smart. And mostly on correct side of issues.

Just see a lot of envy and jealousy.