Jack, No Code

mcgruff10 said:

EB218946 said:

these guys were so creative at this time. Although time has slowed them down it seems. I know they can put out another masterpiece if they really wanted to. Obviously, the talent is still there. I just think the side projects have watered down Pearl Jams creativity.

I think this is pretty spot on. Maybe bring back Jack for one album in order to get the creative juices going again.

Lol id love to hear that conversation...

"Uh yeah, Matt, ummm hey it's me Ed...we all, um, I mean the guys and I talked and we all think it would be cool if you keep touring with us because you fuckin rock man! Um, uh, as far as the next album goes though we're just going to have you learn the songs I guess before we tour the album. Um, well, you remember Jack irons, right?.... Yeah, he's been working with us in the studio and we've written some great stuff so far so we're just gonna sorta release the album and then you can play it on tour like usual, ok?! Just act like you were there and wrote the songs with us, it's not like we did this behind your back or something..... Yeah, I assumed you'd be pissed.... Well, um.... Yeah I know it was kinda a dick move.... It's not like he's actually in the band though, right..... It's just his name on the album, no big deal....."

my2hands said:

mca47 said:

I personally don't see much reason to see more than one show per tour as they are all so similar. Again, yeah...I realize they mix up their setlists, but the versions of songs they play from city to city or leg to leg are almost identical.

Playing 100+ different songs per tour isn't enough? I persobally have zero complaints about the live pearl jam experience

2014: 32 shows was it?

32 shows
~30 songs per show.
~960 songs played.
~100 different songs played.

So each show is on average about 90% the same songs.
Average of 27 of the 30 songs the same across the board.

Most bands don't play that many songs so I think that's great. I just don't see much reason to spend the money and travel to see that much of the same.
If they changed up how they played their songs and maybe jammed out more, maybe.

mca47 said:

That was a great time musically for what the band gave us. It goes far beyond the drummer though. As a whole, they seemed more experimental and "we're going to do x, y and z the way we want and we don't care what anyone thinks!" I think Matt is the most talented drummer the band has had, but I loved Jack's style at that time. They experimented, and tried new things even with some of their older songs. It seems now, they have a 28-30 song setlist and play through them without really mixing it up (the songs, not the set). I personally don't see much reason to see more than one show per tour as they are all so similar. Again, yeah...I realize they mix up their setlists, but the versions of songs they play from city to city or leg to leg are almost identical. I really wish they'd go back and push themselves musically...in the studio and on the live stage. They've always had their side projects...it just seems like Pearl Jam has become that side project anymore.

I agree..and to me they are just going through the motions when playing..I get it they are older now and have already proved they are a great band..But nothing..yes nothing..they have made since riot act will be appreciated years from now to even the hard core fans like us..sure they play the random songs or complete album shows like like moline and mil and I'm sure it was a blast..to me it did not sound that good instrumentally and vocally. Nothing will compare to old pj from 92-03..just like nothing compares to getting laid when your in high school..thanks for reading

mca47 said:

my2hands said:

mca47 said:

I personally don't see much reason to see more than one show per tour as they are all so similar. Again, yeah...I realize they mix up their setlists, but the versions of songs they play from city to city or leg to leg are almost identical.

Playing 100+ different songs per tour isn't enough? I persobally have zero complaints about the live pearl jam experience

2014: 32 shows was it?

32 shows
~30 songs per show.
~960 songs played.
~100 different songs played.

So each show is on average about 90% the same songs.
Average of 27 of the 30 songs the same across the board.

Most bands don't play that many songs so I think that's great. I just don't see much reason to spend the money and travel to see that much of the same.
If they changed up how they played their songs and maybe jammed out more, maybe.

Sorry but this is way off. It's more like 20% of the songs are the same night to night. They played 157 different songs in 2014 for a total of 940. The top 15 were played an average of 25.7 times. That leaves 142 songs being played an average of 3.9 times out of 32 shows.

Mignelli14 said:

Wma31394 said:

Nothing will compare to old pj from 92-03..

That's just like, your opinion man

Yes it is..

mca47 said:

my2hands said:

mca47 said:

I personally don't see much reason to see more than one show per tour as they are all so similar. Again, yeah...I realize they mix up their setlists, but the versions of songs they play from city to city or leg to leg are almost identical.

Playing 100+ different songs per tour isn't enough? I persobally have zero complaints about the live pearl jam experience

2014: 32 shows was it?

32 shows
~30 songs per show.
~960 songs played.
~100 different songs played.

So each show is on average about 90% the same songs.
Average of 27 of the 30 songs the same across the board.

Most bands don't play that many songs so I think that's great. I just don't see much reason to spend the money and travel to see that much of the same.
If they changed up how they played their songs and maybe jammed out more, maybe.

Completely incorrect stats there buddy.

The Band sounded great in South America including Matt's drumming... I think Matt sounds more crisp live than they mix him on the boots for the last several years. Especially the crack on the snare drum is more of a dull thud now. He definitely does not beat the drums as hard as he did when he first joined the band in 98'. Listen to the drums on the D.C 98' Vault Bootleg... Jack although he had a groove that was unmistakable and can play tribal beats like In MyTree, Who You Are , and even W.M.A great (even though he didn't write it), in my opinion he is not a power drummer and lacks the intricate fills and symbol / hardware work that Dave A or Matt can play, but he was what Pearl Jam needed at the time. It seems people are partial to the drummer that was in the band at the time they started getting into Pearl Jam in many cases. For me Dave A was the best technical and power drummer and still played the songs from Ten and Vs' better than anyone. We won't know what he would have been able to do later, but other than maybe "Tremor Christ" and a couple others I thought his work on Vitalogy was not as warm and didn't fit where they were going as well. Overall Matt can do a little of everything, power, tribal and technique... more I think he understands what the band wants from him. He does not do tribal like Jack and he doesn't do power like Dave, but you have a lot of music for him to cover. Jack was just to mushy on the hi-hat and didn't have the strength to hold together songs like "Hail Hail" compared to Matt or "Animal" like Dave A. Matt can't play "Go" or "State" like Dave could so I miss him on many of those songs. All just my observations and opinions...

Let's not forget Jack's drumming on Merkinball either, the man really excelled there...

Dave Abruzzese is my number one PJ drummer. It's really something I think about often, how he would have done had he stayed with the band. But what steved said is true and the thing is, between the four studio drummers, they more or less are best on their own albums. It sounds obvious, but that's a consequence of them putting in their own traits and zip in their studio work. What I mean is that it's weird hearing Matt play stuff from before Binaural for example, and Jack didn't blow me away with anything from the first 3 albums like hearing Dave A play those 3. And of course it's hard to replicate the stuff Jack was doing on No Code and Yield. Hell even Dave K on studio Wash is the best version imo and really all of Ten is rock solid drumming from him. I really do think Matt was hitting better with Soundgarden than PJ. He's awesome don't get me wrong on everything he's recorded, and there are some exceptions, but it feels weird hearing him drum to pre-Binaural.
Dave A on Unplugged, good god I could listen to that guy all day. Big influence on me as a drummer.