Sean Penn's 'interview' with El Chapo

Cliffy6745 · January 2016

PJ_Soul said:

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rgambs said:
Where does this iron clad "chapo gets the final say" coming from?

Seems to me Penn gets the final say. That's how interviews work.
Yeah, I don't get it either.
Penn did not get the final say and that is not how THIS interview worked. It was agreed upon before hand that prior to being published El Chapo would approve the content and he did.
So? I don't understand why this bothers you. Him approving something to be published isn't him getting the final word. Anyone can say anything they want about him and in reaction to this thing.
Semantics. If he wanted things changed they would have been changed.

Do you think the NY Times would have published this? This type of nonsense belongs on Buzzfeed, not a publication with a pretty rich journalistic history.
So you are simply looking at this from the perspective of a media snob? If it's not good enough for the NY Times in your opinion, it shouldn't exist?

I guess, but something of this magnitude, no, probably not. I don't think Rolling Stone should have published this without the same standards they would set for any of their journalists who would cover the topic.

Have you read the story? It is a heaping pile of garbage

The Rolling Stone/Penn aspect of this is more in line with you, but the original story on El Chapo in the New Yorker was awesome and is the type of stuff I would hope to expect from Rolling Stone

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-tragic-farce-of-el-chapo

callen · January 2016

Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.

Cliffy6745 · January 2016

callen said:
Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.

I see him as a self absorbed scumbag who beat his wife

PJ_Soul · January 2016

Cliffy6745 said:

callen said:
Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.
I see him as a self absorbed scumbag who beat his wife

That is irrelevant to the other points you're making though, no?

2-feign-reluctance · January 2016

Whoa, my first AMT thread! Woooo!!

PJfanwillneverleave1 · January 2016

2-feign-reluctance said:
Whoa, my first AMT thread! Woooo!!

The Dark side has got you now, there is no escape, ha, ha,

muskydan · January 2016

Cliffy6745 said:

callen said:
Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.
I see him as a self absorbed scumbag who beat his wife

Come on, everyone has a bad day. Afterall, his Dad has the most ultimate set of tools. Penn is such a jag-bag.

Wma31394 · January 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Not sure why this thread isn't in AMT....hmmm
Anyway this article http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/journalists-stop-complaining-about-sean-penn-213519

Hmm didn't know he did that Madge..I definitely don't condone laying a hand on a woman..Carry on haters..

Cliffy6745 · January 2016

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

callen said:
Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.
I see him as a self absorbed scumbag who beat his wife
That is irrelevant to the other points you're making though, no?

Most definitely, but probably part of the reason I don't give him the benefit of the doubt.

ldent42 · January 2016

Am I the only one who thinks Penn was working with the feds?

dankind · January 2016

ldent42 said:
Am I the only one who thinks Penn was working with the feds?

The feds? Nah!

https://youtu.be/RBmJGJ-CpHM

HughFreakingDillon · January 2016

callen said:
Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.

I don't think so. I think some people see him as an entitled celebrity with a god complex.

Cliffy6745 · January 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:
Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.
I don't think so. I think some people see him as an entitled celebrity with a god complex.

Who also beat his wife...

PJ_Soul · January 2016

Cliffy6745 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:
Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.
I don't think so. I think some people see him as an entitled celebrity with a god complex.

Who also beat his wife...

That is actually just conjecture. The charges on that were dropped, and him and Madonna are on good terms now, so for all we know, that never even happened. Madonna might have just made the whole thing up; she was kind of fucked up in the 80s, and their marriage was fucked up too. God knows what happened... but you certainly don't. In any case, there is literally no proof and nothing legal saying that he actually beat his wife, and he has never been accused of abuse before or after, and Madonna is okay with him.

jeffbr · January 2016

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:
Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.
I don't think so. I think some people see him as an entitled celebrity with a god complex.

Who also beat his wife...
That is actually just conjecture. The charges on that were dropped, and him and Madonna are on good terms now, so for all we know, that never even happened. Madonna might have just made the whole thing up; she was kind of fucked up in the 80s. Maybe she didn't make it up. But maybe. In any case, there is literally no proof and nothing legal saying that he actually beat his wife, and he has never been accused of abuse before or after, and Madonna is okay with him.

Never accused of "domestic" abuse before or after perhaps. But he had plenty of public physical altercations, especially directed at paparazzi during his Madonna years, so we know he has/had some trouble controlling his testosterone.

Cliffy6745 · January 2016

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:
Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.
I don't think so. I think some people see him as an entitled celebrity with a god complex.

Who also beat his wife...
That is actually just conjecture. The charges on that were dropped, and him and Madonna are on good terms now, so for all we know, that never even happened. Madonna might have just made the whole thing up; she was kind of fucked up in the 80s, and their marriage was fucked up too. God knows what happened... but you certainly don't. In any case, there is literally no proof and nothing legal saying that he actually beat his wife, and he has never been accused of abuse before or after, and Madonna is okay with him.

Plenty of wives and ex wives are okay with people who beat them...

PJ_Soul · January 2016

Cliffy6745 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:
Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.
I don't think so. I think some people see him as an entitled celebrity with a god complex.

Who also beat his wife...
That is actually just conjecture. The charges on that were dropped, and him and Madonna are on good terms now, so for all we know, that never even happened. Madonna might have just made the whole thing up; she was kind of fucked up in the 80s, and their marriage was fucked up too. God knows what happened... but you certainly don't. In any case, there is literally no proof and nothing legal saying that he actually beat his wife, and he has never been accused of abuse before or after, and Madonna is okay with him.
Plenty of wives and ex wives are okay with people who beat them...

I am not suggesting otherwise. However, plenty are not. So it's a factor to consider, especially when there are no charges and no proof.

PJ_Soul · January 2016

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:
Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.
I don't think so. I think some people see him as an entitled celebrity with a god complex.

Who also beat his wife...
That is actually just conjecture. The charges on that were dropped, and him and Madonna are on good terms now, so for all we know, that never even happened. Madonna might have just made the whole thing up; she was kind of fucked up in the 80s. Maybe she didn't make it up. But maybe. In any case, there is literally no proof and nothing legal saying that he actually beat his wife, and he has never been accused of abuse before or after, and Madonna is okay with him.
Never accused of "domestic" abuse before or after perhaps. But he had plenty of public physical altercations, especially directed at paparazzi during his Madonna years, so we know he has/had some trouble controlling his testosterone.

You mean controlling his anger? Don't make it a "man" thing. I never blame anyone for blowing up at paparazzi. I assume they are absolutely infuriating, and while I don't condone it, I understand lashing out at them.
At any rate, none of this has anything to do with the discussion at hand. If these things are influencing attitudes about the El Chapo thing here, then I call bullshit on the applicable arguments that have been put forth in this thread.

Cliffy6745 · January 2016

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:
Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.
I don't think so. I think some people see him as an entitled celebrity with a god complex.

Who also beat his wife...
That is actually just conjecture. The charges on that were dropped, and him and Madonna are on good terms now, so for all we know, that never even happened. Madonna might have just made the whole thing up; she was kind of fucked up in the 80s, and their marriage was fucked up too. God knows what happened... but you certainly don't. In any case, there is literally no proof and nothing legal saying that he actually beat his wife, and he has never been accused of abuse before or after, and Madonna is okay with him.
Plenty of wives and ex wives are okay with people who beat them...
I am not suggesting otherwise. However, plenty are not. So it's a factor to consider, especially when there are no charges and no proof.

Fair. Though the accusations were pretty descriptive...

jeffbr · January 2016

PJ_Soul said:

jeffbr said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cliffy6745 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

callen said:
Think Penn knew the risks but had the fortitude to do it. Good for him. So think many see him as an offensive liberal and if he cured cancer they'd bitch. Kinda like our current president.
I don't think so. I think some people see him as an entitled celebrity with a god complex.

Who also beat his wife...
That is actually just conjecture. The charges on that were dropped, and him and Madonna are on good terms now, so for all we know, that never even happened. Madonna might have just made the whole thing up; she was kind of fucked up in the 80s. Maybe she didn't make it up. But maybe. In any case, there is literally no proof and nothing legal saying that he actually beat his wife, and he has never been accused of abuse before or after, and Madonna is okay with him.
Never accused of "domestic" abuse before or after perhaps. But he had plenty of public physical altercations, especially directed at paparazzi during his Madonna years, so we know he has/had some trouble controlling his testosterone.
You mean controlling his anger? Don't make it a "man" thing. I never blame anyone for blowing up at paparazzi. I assume they are absolutely infuriating, and while I don't condone it, I understand lashing out at them.
At any rate, none of this has anything to do with the discussion at hand. If these things are influencing attitudes about the El Chapo thing here, then I call bullshit on the applicable arguments that have been put forth in this thread.

OK, controlling his anger works for me. You're right, it isn't a "man" thing, it is a self-control thing.

And I neither like nor dislike Penn. I loved him as Jeff Spicoli, and think he's done great things in Haiti. I also think he's a bit of a self-absorbed douche. So it evens out for me.

As far as the El Chapo thing goes, I think El Chapo fancied himself a celebrity, so it is natural that he'd seek out celebrities to improve his "celebrity" creds. The interview was done by Penn and brokered by some famous Latina actress. It was an interesting article, but read a bit like a dime store detective novel. Anyway, I don't really care one way or another. I don't think he aided and abetted an enemy, and I don't think he's done anything deserving of a Pulitzer prize so no praise or damnation from me. It was an interesting piece done for a rag that is going through it's own issues of journalistic integrity. Rolling Stone has become a rock 'n roll version of People magazine.

Sean Penn's 'interview' with El Chapo

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