America's Gun Violence

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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,531
    How about the one where the 12 yr old boy shot his 11 yr old class mate and killed her. Did ya hear that one?
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,162
    That's fucked up.
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,162
    dudeman said:

    Anyone heard of the new survey that says the majority of Americans oppose a new "assault weapons" ban?

    Here it is: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/americans-doubt-us-can-stop-lone-wolf-attacks-poll-finds/2015/12/16/bfcaa102-a3ba-11e5-ad3f-991ce3374e23_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-low_poll-710am:homepage/story
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,250
    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/florida-mom-shoots-daughter-dead-after-mistaking-her-for-an-intruder/

    This type of killing will become more prevalent the more we use the "good guy with a gun" excuse
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    Gern Blansten said:

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/florida-mom-shoots-daughter-dead-after-mistaking-her-for-an-intruder/

    This type of killing will become more prevalent the more we use the "good guy with a gun" excuse

    Agreed.
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,162
    Or the less people eschew the notion of actually knowing what they're shooting at before reaching for the trigger. Knowing your target and what's behind it is absolutely critical.

    More people with guns that shouldn't have them.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,471
    Gern Blansten said:

    http://www.rawstory.com/2015/12/florida-mom-shoots-daughter-dead-after-mistaking-her-for-an-intruder/

    This type of killing will become more prevalent the more we use the "good guy with a gun" excuse

    Dudeman touched on this too. It's like in hunting, you SEE what you are shooting at...
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,250
    dudeman said:

    Or the less people eschew the notion of actually knowing what they're shooting at before reaching for the trigger. Knowing your target and what's behind it is absolutely critical.

    More people with guns that shouldn't have them.

    That only comes with experience or training. The idea that "good guys" need guns is dangerous. Unless you advocate federal regulations that require licensing/training, etc. like you have to do for a driver's license (at a minimum)
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  • dudeman
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    Funny, I thought it came with common sense. To fire a weapon at something or someone that has not been identified is beyond stupid behavior.

    I hope that the woman in the story was arrested and is facing criminal charges.
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  • joseph33
    joseph33 Washington DC Posts: 1,341
    If its a non violent crime,absolutely. Some guy who gets busted with an oz has just a right to defend his life as you or me. The justice system is broke because law breakers are grouped as a whole and not separate according to the crime. Assault weapons isnt the problem. Its not doing a thourogh background check.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    dudeman said:

    Funny, I thought it came with common sense. To fire a weapon at something or someone that has not been identified is beyond stupid behavior.

    I hope that the woman in the story was arrested and is facing criminal charges.

    Common sense doesn't exist in "emergency" situations. Without training, 9 out of 10 people will panic and do something stupid when they think they are in danger.
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,162
    rgambs said:

    dudeman said:

    Funny, I thought it came with common sense. To fire a weapon at something or someone that has not been identified is beyond stupid behavior.

    I hope that the woman in the story was arrested and is facing criminal charges.

    Common sense doesn't exist in "emergency" situations. Without training, 9 out of 10 people will panic and do something stupid when they think they are in danger.
    We'll have to agree to disagree on this.
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  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    dudeman said:

    rgambs said:

    dudeman said:

    Funny, I thought it came with common sense. To fire a weapon at something or someone that has not been identified is beyond stupid behavior.

    I hope that the woman in the story was arrested and is facing criminal charges.

    Common sense doesn't exist in "emergency" situations. Without training, 9 out of 10 people will panic and do something stupid when they think they are in danger.
    We'll have to agree to disagree on this.
    This is why soldiers train. This is why pilots train. Police train. Athletes train.
    So when you are placed in these intense situations the training takes over. All of those four professions would 100% agree on that and often state it publicly. You take an average person and put them in an intense situation where their gun is needed and most will make mistakes.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,531
    interesting stat here...
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/31/kids-accidentally-shot-people-5-times-a-week-this-year-on-average/
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    mickeyrat said:

    interesting stat here...
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/31/kids-accidentally-shot-people-5-times-a-week-this-year-on-average/

    Soooo traaaaain the kids.

    If all the kids had guns... when another kid was pointing a gun at them... they could shoot the kid before the kid 'accidentally' shot them.

    It's that simple.
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,162
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mickeyrat said:

    interesting stat here...
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/31/kids-accidentally-shot-people-5-times-a-week-this-year-on-average/

    Soooo traaaaain the kids.

    If all the kids had guns... when another kid was pointing a gun at them... they could shoot the kid before the kid 'accidentally' shot them.

    It's that simple.
    Or don't leave guns unattended and accessible to kids. People who allow kids access to firearms thus resulting in someone getting hurt should be investigated, arrested and tried. There is no excuse for that degree of negligence.
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  • rgambs
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    dudeman said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mickeyrat said:

    interesting stat here...
    ...


    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/31/kids-accidentally-shot-people-5-times-a-week-this-year-on-average/

    Soooo traaaaain the kids.

    If all the kids had guns... when another kid was pointing a gun at them... they could shoot the kid before the kid 'accidentally' shot them.

    It's that simple.
    Or don't leave guns unattended and accessible to kids. People who allow kids access to firearms thus resulting in someone getting hurt should be investigated, arrested and tried. There is no excuse for that degree of negligence.
    Securing weapons against children makes them useless for self-defense unless you live with your gun strapped to you skin.
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,162
    edited January 2016
    That's not true.

    There are plenty of quick access safes on the market. Some use biometric locks. Some others open with an RFID card or fob.

    A gun locked in one of those can be accessed in about two seconds.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    dudeman said:

    That's not true.

    There are plenty of quick access safes on the market. Some use biometric locks. I've seen others that open with an RFID card or fob.

    A gun locked in one of those can be accessed in about two seconds.

    An RFID or fob would allow a child to access it in the same number of seconds. Biometric locks??? Yeah right, might as well say people could use a robot to defend their home for them, that's just as likely to be used widely.
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  • dudeman
    dudeman Posts: 3,162
    You clearly haven't researched what responsible people are using to secure their firearms. Biometric locks are quite common on gun safes these days.

    One would also be an idiot if they left their RFID gun safe key lying about where kids could find it.
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