President Undercut

Dirtie_Frank
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While everyone is clamoring about what Donald Trump is saying, the current POTUS was undercut by his
Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff:
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/261644-general-we-have-not-contained-isis

And his Secretary of Defense:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/defense-sec-ash-carter-isis-is-not-contained/

Three weeks after saying ISIS was contained:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/15/ben-rhodes/what-barack-obama-said-about-isis-being-contained/

There is some serious problems with the administration if the SECDEF, the CJCS and the Commander in Chief are not on the same sheet of music. Either the POTUSs aides are not telling him the truth or he is ignoring it.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    It's political spin, they all do it and it is annoying AF.
    Like Bush on the warship declaring victory...
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    You really need to read these articles before you post them.

    In Obamas context ("What is true is that from the start, our goal has been first to contain, and we have contained them. They have not gained ground in Iraq. And in Syria they'll come in, they'll leave. But you don't see this systematic march by ISIL across the terrain." ) of contained he is right.

    Backed up by both the General and his Secretary of Defense....and the article by poiltifact.

    Nothing to see here....moving on.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,911
    dignin said:

    You really need to read these articles before you post them.

    In Obamas context ("What is true is that from the start, our goal has been first to contain, and we have contained them. They have not gained ground in Iraq. And in Syria they'll come in, they'll leave. But you don't see this systematic march by ISIL across the terrain." ) of contained he is right.

    Backed up by both the General and his Secretary of Defense....and the article by poiltifact.

    Nothing to see here....moving on.

    exactly...anyone who pays even partial attention sees that the "contained" comments have been butchered as hell.

    Obama was right...as usual
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  • BS44325
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    Obama's being undercut because nobody in DC had any faith in him anymore. This is bipartisan. He's stopped leading and plans on just riding out the rest of his term. Clint Eastwood's empty chair is now running the show.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,911
    BS44325 said:

    Obama's being undercut because nobody in DC had any faith in him anymore. This is bipartisan. He's stopped leading and plans on just riding out the rest of his term. Clint Eastwood's empty chair is now running the show.

    yeah right...if he issues an executive order on guns will you change your mind?
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  • JimmyV
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    Obama is being undercut from the right because despite of all the rah-rah wave the flag pro-America bullshit we hear from Republicans, none of it matters in the face of political opportunism.
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  • ldent42
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  • BS44325
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    Gern Blansten said:

    BS44325 said:

    Obama's being undercut because nobody in DC had any faith in him anymore. This is bipartisan. He's stopped leading and plans on just riding out the rest of his term. Clint Eastwood's empty chair is now running the show.

    yeah right...if he issues an executive order on guns will you change your mind?
    Executive order's in a system of checks and balances is not leading.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,911
    BS44325 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    BS44325 said:

    Obama's being undercut because nobody in DC had any faith in him anymore. This is bipartisan. He's stopped leading and plans on just riding out the rest of his term. Clint Eastwood's empty chair is now running the show.

    yeah right...if he issues an executive order on guns will you change your mind?
    Executive order's in a system of checks and balances is not leading.
    Disagree...if the majority of the country supports it and Congress is unable to do anything then a leader makes it happen any way he can.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Gern Blansten said:

    BS44325 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    BS44325 said:

    Obama's being undercut because nobody in DC had any faith in him anymore. This is bipartisan. He's stopped leading and plans on just riding out the rest of his term. Clint Eastwood's empty chair is now running the show.

    yeah right...if he issues an executive order on guns will you change your mind?
    Executive order's in a system of checks and balances is not leading.
    Disagree...if the majority of the country supports it and Congress is unable to do anything then a leader makes it happen any way he can.
    Well a majority keeps voting for a republican congress, governors and state houses...how do you explain that?
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,025
    edited December 2015
    BS44325 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    BS44325 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    BS44325 said:

    Obama's being undercut because nobody in DC had any faith in him anymore. This is bipartisan. He's stopped leading and plans on just riding out the rest of his term. Clint Eastwood's empty chair is now running the show.

    yeah right...if he issues an executive order on guns will you change your mind?
    Executive order's in a system of checks and balances is not leading.
    Disagree...if the majority of the country supports it and Congress is unable to do anything then a leader makes it happen any way he can.
    Well a majority keeps voting for a republican congress, governors and state houses...how do you explain that?
    I feel like it's simply a "the grass is always greener" complex. Basically, a lot of voters are dumb and fickle. But let's not underestimate how corrupt the members of Congress are. The behind the scenes drama as they weasel their ways back or to stay in year after year after year must be absolutely outstanding. That goes for the Dems too. Fuckin' politicians. What everyone really needs is a cleaned house. Start again from the scratch. :neutral:
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,615
    BS44325 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    BS44325 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    BS44325 said:

    Obama's being undercut because nobody in DC had any faith in him anymore. This is bipartisan. He's stopped leading and plans on just riding out the rest of his term. Clint Eastwood's empty chair is now running the show.

    yeah right...if he issues an executive order on guns will you change your mind?
    Executive order's in a system of checks and balances is not leading.
    Disagree...if the majority of the country supports it and Congress is unable to do anything then a leader makes it happen any way he can.
    Well a majority keeps voting for a republican congress, governors and state houses...how do you explain that?
    Single issue voters or at a minimum other issues are more important . People also tend to like their particular congressman/woman better than congress as a whole.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    BS44325 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    BS44325 said:

    Obama's being undercut because nobody in DC had any faith in him anymore. This is bipartisan. He's stopped leading and plans on just riding out the rest of his term. Clint Eastwood's empty chair is now running the show.

    yeah right...if he issues an executive order on guns will you change your mind?
    Executive order's in a system of checks and balances is not leading.
    Disagree...if the majority of the country supports it and Congress is unable to do anything then a leader makes it happen any way he can.
    Well a majority keeps voting for a republican congress, governors and state houses...how do you explain that?
    Single issue voters or at a minimum other issues are more important . People also tend to like their particular congressman/woman better than congress as a whole.
    Maybe but this idea of what "a majority" supports can only be determined at the ballot box. Executive actions are a sign of weakness where the President cannot move the electorate to his/her position and it only reduces good faith between the parties.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,025
    In some cases I don't see that he has a choice. There are so many Republicans who are against him no matter what he does. It could be the greatest idea in the world, or the most necessary thing in the world, and best for Americans, yet Congress will still oppose it because it's Obama. That is, as far as I can tell, the MAIN problem in American government right now. I don't think executive orders are a sign of weakness in that atmosphere. I think they are a sign of strength.
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,615
    BS44325 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    BS44325 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    BS44325 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    BS44325 said:

    Obama's being undercut because nobody in DC had any faith in him anymore. This is bipartisan. He's stopped leading and plans on just riding out the rest of his term. Clint Eastwood's empty chair is now running the show.

    yeah right...if he issues an executive order on guns will you change your mind?
    Executive order's in a system of checks and balances is not leading.
    Disagree...if the majority of the country supports it and Congress is unable to do anything then a leader makes it happen any way he can.
    Well a majority keeps voting for a republican congress, governors and state houses...how do you explain that?
    Single issue voters or at a minimum other issues are more important . People also tend to like their particular congressman/woman better than congress as a whole.
    Maybe but this idea of what "a majority" supports can only be determined at the ballot box. Executive actions are a sign of weakness where the President cannot move the electorate to his/her position and it only reduces good faith between the parties.
    Also need to consider how uncompetitive most districts are in the country. Of which gerrymandering plays a pivotal role. Not for all districts in every state , but enough so that now there are only an estimated 35 seats out of 435 that are competitive. , So when the districts are drawn to minimize the residents of the other party makes it reall difficult to vote a guy out.

    The other important consideration is voter turnout and how appallingly low it is even in a major cycle.
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    PJ_Soul said:

    In some cases I don't see that he has a choice. There are so many Republicans who are against him no matter what he does. It could be the greatest idea in the world, or the most necessary thing in the world, and best for Americans, yet Congress will still oppose it because it's Obama. That is, as far as I can tell, the MAIN problem in American government right now. I don't think executive orders are a sign of weakness in that atmosphere. I think they are a sign of strength.

    I disagree and you should be careful what you wish for. Should the next President be a Republican Obama will have paved the way for governance by executive order. There are many people on the left who understand this and are rightfully quite concerned.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    edited December 2015
    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    In some cases I don't see that he has a choice. There are so many Republicans who are against him no matter what he does. It could be the greatest idea in the world, or the most necessary thing in the world, and best for Americans, yet Congress will still oppose it because it's Obama. That is, as far as I can tell, the MAIN problem in American government right now. I don't think executive orders are a sign of weakness in that atmosphere. I think they are a sign of strength.

    I disagree and you should be careful what you wish for. Should the next President be a Republican Obama will have paved the way for governance by executive order. There are many people on the left who understand this and are rightfully quite concerned.
    Not that it has any consequence with the next president, but laying it at Obama's feet is either ignorant or willfully deceptive.
    Edit: I suppose maybe you mean he will have paved the way among liberals...
    http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/every-presidents-executive-actions-in-one-chart/
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 51,025
    BS44325 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    In some cases I don't see that he has a choice. There are so many Republicans who are against him no matter what he does. It could be the greatest idea in the world, or the most necessary thing in the world, and best for Americans, yet Congress will still oppose it because it's Obama. That is, as far as I can tell, the MAIN problem in American government right now. I don't think executive orders are a sign of weakness in that atmosphere. I think they are a sign of strength.

    I disagree and you should be careful what you wish for. Should the next President be a Republican Obama will have paved the way for governance by executive order. There are many people on the left who understand this and are rightfully quite concerned.
    I'm not wishing for anything. I'm just saying that if a Congress is dead set on opposing anything the President supports, which IS pretty much the case right now, the President is left with little choice if he feels like the bipartisanship is leading to terrible consequences. What would his other option be?? He really isn't left with one while the Congress behaves that way.
    (and at the rate they're going, the Reps won't see office for a very long time anyhow, haha ;) The Republican party has pretty much been massacred by the same fucks who would rather say no to Obama than do what's right for Americans)
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