America's Gun Violence

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,995
    Fwiw: all guns were legally bought a few years ago. Background checks were a ok.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,881
    90 people die every single day because of gun violence in America ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • 90 people die every single day because of gun violence in America ...

    Soooo. What can we do to fix it? I'm sure this question has been asked countless times on here.

    Do we remove all guns from people like in Australia?

    Do we make it extremely difficult to own one like Canada?

    Do we start changing the gun culture?

    Do we limit the amount of violence on TV?

    Can people post answers?

    I'm really curious.

  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited December 2015
    BS44325 said:

    No. Their goal is to protect the rights of citizens to defend themselves.
    Bullshit. Money and votes. Period.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited December 2015
    mickeyrat said:

    Until you force the Biebs back home , all bets are off!!!!!
    Know I shouldn't bust out laughing in this somber thread time but this is funny!!
    Post edited by callen on
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,996
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/opinion/on-guns-were-not-even-trying.html

    Pay close attention to where the NRA opposes restrictions for people on the terrorism watch list. They are truly vile human beings
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,881

    Soooo. What can we do to fix it? I'm sure this question has been asked countless times on here.

    Do we remove all guns from people like in Australia?

    Do we make it extremely difficult to own one like Canada?

    Do we start changing the gun culture?

    Do we limit the amount of violence on TV?

    Can people post answers?

    I'm really curious.

    Nothing to do these events will just keep on happening nothing will be done just get used to it I know I'm used to just saying another day in the wild Wild West ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682
    mickeyrat said:

    Global citizens for a uniquely American problem? Got it.
    Did it occur to you that many if not most of us have friends and relatives in America? Not only do I care about American lives generally but I'm speaking on behalf of my brother and his family who have lived in Virginia for the past ten years. Do you deny me that right?
  • Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,431


    Nothing to do these events will just keep on happening nothing will be done just get used to it I know I'm used to just saying another day in the wild Wild West ....

    Actually, as i learned yesterday, the Wild West was not as "wild" as one might think. They had some stricter gun laws than today, apparently, and for a reason.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/7/23/1112703/-De-mythologizing-the-Wild-West-gun-laws-were-actually-stricter-then-than-now

    I found that interesting.

  • davidtriosdavidtrios Posts: 9,732
    Syed Farook was one of the shooters. I'm shocked, I thought for sure it would've been some guy named Sol Rosenthal.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,996

    Syed Farook was one of the shooters. I'm shocked, I thought for sure it would've been some guy named Sol Rosenthal.

    http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,626
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/gunned-down/

    This is a great documentary. It provides a lot of detail behind the NRA from when it was formed to the present when it is a massive lobbying group buying up politicians so that gun manufacturers sell guns.

    Keep in mind that recent polls of NRA members reflect that those members favor stronger gun laws and background checks.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559

    Soooo. What can we do to fix it? I'm sure this question has been asked countless times on here.

    Do we remove all guns from people like in Australia?

    Do we make it extremely difficult to own one like Canada?

    Do we start changing the gun culture?

    Do we limit the amount of violence on TV?

    Can people post answers?

    I'm really curious.

    it's not fixable ... it's the world we've allowed to happen ... all in the name of greed ...

    this isn't about gun laws, terrorism, video games or tv ... it's about the evil in people who recognize that people are so easily manipulated ... they play russian roulette with our lives daily and the only ones who will suffer are the masses ...

    14 people died yesterday because 3 people were driven to kill these people for reasons we don't really know ... these lives didn't matter to these people ... just as the lives of all of us don't matter ... we may be focused on the innocent people in recent tragedies like Paris and in California ... but this is the harsh reality of the world we live in ... your life, my life, most people's lives here don't matter in the grand scheme of things to the people that are most responsible for these crimes ... they aren't christian or muslim or white or black ... they are people who's greed supersedes everything ...

  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,626
    BS44325 said:

    California has pretty strict gun laws. France even stricter. They did not prevent these attacks. Confront the ideology.

    It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    It doesn't matter how strict their laws are...there is no border check when you enter California to make sure your weapons adhere to CA laws. Until there is national law your argument is weak.
    France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,478
    dignin said:

    Link?
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,626
    BS44325 said:

    France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!
    I'm not speaking that way....I'm just pointing out that the argument of how strong CA guns laws are (or aren't) makes no difference when there aren't national gun laws.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,996
    edited December 2015
    BS44325 said:

    France had national law. So did Belgium yet it didn't stop the Paris Attacks. Also we don't know yet where the San Bernadino guns came from. Were they purchased in California? If that's the case then a Federal law would not have made a difference. Again most of you are speaking as if their is some mythical loophole that is currently not being enforced. If new laws are your agenda then someone somewhere please list one that would actually have an impact!
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  • I'm not speaking that way....I'm just pointing out that the argument of how strong CA guns laws are (or aren't) makes no difference when there aren't national gun laws.
    When guns can be purchased at flea markets in other states... you are correct.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,626

    When guns can be purchased at flea markets in other states... you are correct.
    exactly....the right is always yapping about Chicago's gun laws yet anyone can buy a gun in Gary, IN and drive it to Chicago. Give me a break.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682

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    Can't believe the UK is lower than us! I find this a little unlikely?
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,996

    Can't believe the UK is lower than us! I find this a little unlikely?

    Can't believe the UK is lower than us! I find this a little unlikely?
    I think this chart is only 1 year. Maybe that's it?
  • jnimhaoileoinjnimhaoileoin Baile Átha Cliath Posts: 2,682

    I think this chart is only 1 year. Maybe that's it?
    Guess we had a bad year so! Or else I'm in denial :p
  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,418

    90 people die every single day because of gun violence in America ...

    Nobody is denying that or isn't aware of that. Care and concern about guns are not only shared when there are mass shootings. Obviously you need only turn on the news every night to see that guns are a big, big problem.
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  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,418
    These mass shootings make fear driven gun owners cling to their guns more.
    www.cluthelee.com
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,881
    edited December 2015
    I'm beyond looking for answers to this mess I'm resigned that for as long as o live here in this country I'll have to be vigilant of my sorroundings , once in ready to retire and kids are independent of me I'm getting the fuck out of here .....that's if I don't get killed by one of the mass shooters that happen every week ....
    Post edited by josevolution on
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    While larger shootings might be on the rise gun violence as a whole is actually on the decline:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/03/weve-had-a-massive-decline-in-gun-violence-in-the-united-states-heres-why/?tid=sm_tw

    If we know why general violence is decreasing with the same access to guns we should be asking ourselves why mass shootings are increasing.
    The simple reasons are lack of treatment for mental health, terrorism, and 24 hour news coverage i.e. we occasionally make celebrities of both the mentally ill shooter as well as the Islamist. Before we confiscate guns maybe we should stop putting terrorists on the cover of the Rolling Stone.
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,137
    There you go!
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
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