America's Gun Violence

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Shawshank said:

I wonder how many are going to be disappointed when they find out it's not some group of redneck, toothless, gun toting, good ol' boys who did this?

Makes no difference who did it. The fact is 14 people will never take another breath because these jerkoffs had access to weapons designed to kill living beings.

Black, white, Muslim, Asian, Christian...all irrelevant.

It is absolutely relevant if you truly want to stop this.

Stop it? There's a huge contingency of people who don't even want to confront it. The US has a serious issue with gun violence and nobody seems truly care. There will be lots of discussion about gun violence and finally a push to profile the shooter so people can distance themselves from them and deny culpability. If they're Muslim they become terrorists; if they're Christian they become 'lone gunmen' separate from the rest of society. It's strange that Muslims are expected to be responsible for their fringe members when they commit atrocities yet the rest of us are allowed to distance ourselves from the nut jobs that we produce.

I completely agree with you on policing our own but the truth is that many of the white/christian lone gunmen are not actually inspired by their faith to kill. The religion tends not to be the driver in those situations.

Did you stop to consider that we don't focus on the motivations of many shooters because they come from a culture similar to our own? If someone shoots up an abortion clinic we don't hold everyone who is opposed to abortion to some universal standard because they share the beliefs of the gunman. In fact, when it comes to most shooters we do everything we can to explain how they are so different from the rest of us. Why the double standard?

We don't hold them to the same standard? Have you watched the news this past week? All I've heard from the media and Democrats is that conservative rhetoric on Planned Parenthood is responsible for the shooter's actions even though his ideology or motivations have barely been discussed other then some minor rambling on baby parts. Regardless of the incident we all do ourselves a great disservice to not analyze the motivation of the shooter. Taking the gun away from a law abiding private citizen will never prevent the attack of the ideologically evil.

There you go with your made up BS again. Link me to one post in this thread where someone has advocated for, "taking the gun away from a law abiding citizen." Just one post. And when the citizens of Oh Canada have, oh, what is it, 3 or 4 guns for every one of your citizens, let's compare notes. What was the parliment attack? Number 5 or 10 for the year? We have that in a week. Fuck, you guys don't even let someone with a DUI into your country. Fucking pussies.

BS44325 said:

Well let's see...the law up for debate right now is denying guns to people on terror watch lists. Now who can be against that? It sounds completely reasonable but as always the devil is in the details. Who gets to make the watch list? Who gets on that list? The Obama DOJ/IRS/What have you had made it clear that it is looking very hard at conservative/tea party/libertarian groups and consider them to be anti-government. This becomes a very slippery slope and it becomes very hard to trust this administration from placing law abiding citizens on watch lists based on their political associations.

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Shawshank said:

I wonder how many are going to be disappointed when they find out it's not some group of redneck, toothless, gun toting, good ol' boys who did this?

Makes no difference who did it. The fact is 14 people will never take another breath because these jerkoffs had access to weapons designed to kill living beings.

Black, white, Muslim, Asian, Christian...all irrelevant.

It is absolutely relevant if you truly want to stop this.

Stop it? There's a huge contingency of people who don't even want to confront it. The US has a serious issue with gun violence and nobody seems truly care. There will be lots of discussion about gun violence and finally a push to profile the shooter so people can distance themselves from them and deny culpability. If they're Muslim they become terrorists; if they're Christian they become 'lone gunmen' separate from the rest of society. It's strange that Muslims are expected to be responsible for their fringe members when they commit atrocities yet the rest of us are allowed to distance ourselves from the nut jobs that we produce.

I completely agree with you on policing our own but the truth is that many of the white/christian lone gunmen are not actually inspired by their faith to kill. The religion tends not to be the driver in those situations.

Did you stop to consider that we don't focus on the motivations of many shooters because they come from a culture similar to our own? If someone shoots up an abortion clinic we don't hold everyone who is opposed to abortion to some universal standard because they share the beliefs of the gunman. In fact, when it comes to most shooters we do everything we can to explain how they are so different from the rest of us. Why the double standard?

We don't hold them to the same standard? Have you watched the news this past week? All I've heard from the media and Democrats is that conservative rhetoric on Planned Parenthood is responsible for the shooter's actions even though his ideology or motivations have barely been discussed other then some minor rambling on baby parts. Regardless of the incident we all do ourselves a great disservice to not analyze the motivation of the shooter. Taking the gun away from a law abiding private citizen will never prevent the attack of the ideologically evil.

There you go with your made up BS again. Link me to one post in this thread where someone has advocated for, "taking the gun away from a law abiding citizen." Just one post. And when the citizens of Oh Canada have, oh, what is it, 3 or 4 guns for every one of your citizens, let's compare notes. What was the parliment attack? Number 5 or 10 for the year? We have that in a week. Fuck, you guys don't even let someone with a DUI into your country. Fucking pussies.

Well let's see...the law up for debate right now is denying guns to people on terror watch lists. Now who can be against that? It sounds completely reasonable but as always the devil is in the details. Who gets to make the watch list? Who gets on that list? The Obama DOJ/IRS/What have you had made it clear that it is looking very hard at conservative/tea party/libertarian groups and consider them to be anti-government. This becomes a very slippery slope and it becomes very hard to trust this administration from placing law abiding citizens on watch lists based on their political associations.

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Shawshank said:

I wonder how many are going to be disappointed when they find out it's not some group of redneck, toothless, gun toting, good ol' boys who did this?

Makes no difference who did it. The fact is 14 people will never take another breath because these jerkoffs had access to weapons designed to kill living beings.

Black, white, Muslim, Asian, Christian...all irrelevant.

It is absolutely relevant if you truly want to stop this.

Stop it? There's a huge contingency of people who don't even want to confront it. The US has a serious issue with gun violence and nobody seems truly care. There will be lots of discussion about gun violence and finally a push to profile the shooter so people can distance themselves from them and deny culpability. If they're Muslim they become terrorists; if they're Christian they become 'lone gunmen' separate from the rest of society. It's strange that Muslims are expected to be responsible for their fringe members when they commit atrocities yet the rest of us are allowed to distance ourselves from the nut jobs that we produce.

I completely agree with you on policing our own but the truth is that many of the white/christian lone gunmen are not actually inspired by their faith to kill. The religion tends not to be the driver in those situations.

Did you stop to consider that we don't focus on the motivations of many shooters because they come from a culture similar to our own? If someone shoots up an abortion clinic we don't hold everyone who is opposed to abortion to some universal standard because they share the beliefs of the gunman. In fact, when it comes to most shooters we do everything we can to explain how they are so different from the rest of us. Why the double standard?

We don't hold them to the same standard? Have you watched the news this past week? All I've heard from the media and Democrats is that conservative rhetoric on Planned Parenthood is responsible for the shooter's actions even though his ideology or motivations have barely been discussed other then some minor rambling on baby parts. Regardless of the incident we all do ourselves a great disservice to not analyze the motivation of the shooter. Taking the gun away from a law abiding private citizen will never prevent the attack of the ideologically evil.

There you go with your made up BS again. Link me to one post in this thread where someone has advocated for, "taking the gun away from a law abiding citizen." Just one post. And when the citizens of Oh Canada have, oh, what is it, 3 or 4 guns for every one of your citizens, let's compare notes. What was the parliment attack? Number 5 or 10 for the year? We have that in a week. Fuck, you guys don't even let someone with a DUI into your country. Fucking pussies.

Well let's see...the law up for debate right now is denying guns to people on terror watch lists. Now who can be against that? It sounds completely reasonable but as always the devil is in the details. Who gets to make the watch list? Who gets on that list? The Obama DOJ/IRS/What have you had made it clear that it is looking very hard at conservative/tea party/libertarian groups and consider them to be anti-government. This becomes a very slippery slope and it becomes very hard to trust this administration from placing law abiding citizens on watch lists based on their political associations.

Care to show me where someone advocated for, "law abiding citizens to have their guns taken away?"

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Shawshank said:

I wonder how many are going to be disappointed when they find out it's not some group of redneck, toothless, gun toting, good ol' boys who did this?

Makes no difference who did it. The fact is 14 people will never take another breath because these jerkoffs had access to weapons designed to kill living beings.

Black, white, Muslim, Asian, Christian...all irrelevant.

It is absolutely relevant if you truly want to stop this.

Stop it? There's a huge contingency of people who don't even want to confront it. The US has a serious issue with gun violence and nobody seems truly care. There will be lots of discussion about gun violence and finally a push to profile the shooter so people can distance themselves from them and deny culpability. If they're Muslim they become terrorists; if they're Christian they become 'lone gunmen' separate from the rest of society. It's strange that Muslims are expected to be responsible for their fringe members when they commit atrocities yet the rest of us are allowed to distance ourselves from the nut jobs that we produce.

I completely agree with you on policing our own but the truth is that many of the white/christian lone gunmen are not actually inspired by their faith to kill. The religion tends not to be the driver in those situations.

Did you stop to consider that we don't focus on the motivations of many shooters because they come from a culture similar to our own? If someone shoots up an abortion clinic we don't hold everyone who is opposed to abortion to some universal standard because they share the beliefs of the gunman. In fact, when it comes to most shooters we do everything we can to explain how they are so different from the rest of us. Why the double standard?

We don't hold them to the same standard? Have you watched the news this past week? All I've heard from the media and Democrats is that conservative rhetoric on Planned Parenthood is responsible for the shooter's actions even though his ideology or motivations have barely been discussed other then some minor rambling on baby parts. Regardless of the incident we all do ourselves a great disservice to not analyze the motivation of the shooter. Taking the gun away from a law abiding private citizen will never prevent the attack of the ideologically evil.

There you go with your made up BS again. Link me to one post in this thread where someone has advocated for, "taking the gun away from a law abiding citizen." Just one post. And when the citizens of Oh Canada have, oh, what is it, 3 or 4 guns for every one of your citizens, let's compare notes. What was the parliment attack? Number 5 or 10 for the year? We have that in a week. Fuck, you guys don't even let someone with a DUI into your country. Fucking pussies.

Well let's see...the law up for debate right now is denying guns to people on terror watch lists. Now who can be against that? It sounds completely reasonable but as always the devil is in the details. Who gets to make the watch list? Who gets on that list? The Obama DOJ/IRS/What have you had made it clear that it is looking very hard at conservative/tea party/libertarian groups and consider them to be anti-government. This becomes a very slippery slope and it becomes very hard to trust this administration from placing law abiding citizens on watch lists based on their political associations.

Care to show me where someone advocated for, "law abiding citizens to have their guns taken away?"

Well what law are you advocating for then that isn't already on the books? You already have background checks. Taking guns away from law abiding citizens is all you have left. You can bump all the threads you want but there isn't a law out there that would have stopped a single one of those shootings. You are essentially conceding thats there is nothing left you can do. Typical of today's society. Tweet outrage but do nothing.

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

>1 mass shooting (4 or more dead or injured) for every day so far this year.

I don't want your hunting rifles but, for gods sake, could we do some background checks and keep people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns?

it's all about the motherfucking NRA lobby and the politicians who lack the spine to say no.

Do we know if any of the murderers were on a watch list? Why shout when you don't have the facts.

no, dude, I don't.....but is a fact that our politicians are scared to death of the the gun lobby....whose main goal is profit for gun manufacturers....sell anything, to anybody, anytime.

No. Their goal is to protect the rights of citizens to defend themselves.

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Remember when elementary school kids got mowed down at school and nothing ever happened? Yeah, me too.

We will be outraged, we will mourn, we will talk about action, we will move on and then it will happen again.

I wish horrible horrible deaths on everyone involved with the gun lobby. I am sure this will go over very well with many but the lobby has so much blood on their hands.

If this was done by Islamists will you wish horrible horrible deaths on all of them as well?

On all of who? The gun lobby is directly responsible for thousands of deaths, regardless of the race/religion of these people

Well if your only concern is going after the gun lobby as opposed to the perpetrators and their ideology (whatever that might be) then attacks like these will always continue. As you said "we will be outraged, we will mourn, we will talk about action, we will move on and then it will happen again".

Whats this "we" shit? You dont live in this country.

So one shouldn't be concerned?

Weren't you outspoken for the world's moral responsibility to assist with the Syrian refugee crisis?

You may or may not recall I never interjected with what Canada ought to do. I confined it to the nation I am citizen of and rightly have a say in.

Well sure, but you became pretty impassioned over the fortunes of people from another country.

Yet here, you become indignant towards others for doing the same thing.

You don't see how you are inconsistent in this particular instance?

Yes, I am impassioned about that subject as well as others where I see a direct role in my countries foreign policy. Its about accountability. Really where I take umbrage is our friend consistently posting not opinion only but as if he has a direct say in it. He does not. Frankly I welcome the outside observers viewpoints generally. It provides a different prospective. From our friend though, I can watch fox news to get his take. No thanks.

You weren't very specific in your post and if you took note... several decent, caring people were taken aback with your words.

People on here care about a lot of things- from wolves to tigers to sharks to Syrians and... Americans too.

to be fair, it was a response to a specific quoted post. Now I will concede that within the quoted post the words of another poster. So I was off base on that instance. However, my point holds with that person in general. "We" is thrown around enough to specific problems here. He cant own that shit. We , the citizens of this country , have to own it. And rightfully so. Much as I wish it were different on many fronts. Until we fully own our shit, it doesnt change.

As I've said before WE are global citizens. Interconnected and affected by each other's actions. Also I recognize that it is American leadership that provides for my security and I passionately believe that as goes America so goes the world. I wish I lived in a bigger country that could handle the job but unfortunately I don't. I know I'll never have a vote but I will always try to have a say. Ignore me if you like.

Global citizens for a uniquely American problem? Got it.

josevolution said:

Nothing to do these events will just keep on happening nothing will be done just get used to it I know I'm used to just saying another day in the wild Wild West ....