America's Gun Violence

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

>1 mass shooting (4 or more dead or injured) for every day so far this year.

I don't want your hunting rifles but, for gods sake, could we do some background checks and keep people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns?

it's all about the motherfucking NRA lobby and the politicians who lack the spine to say no.

Do we know if any of the murderers were on a watch list? Why shout when you don't have the facts.

no, dude, I don't.....but is a fact that our politicians are scared to death of the the gun lobby....whose main goal is profit for gun manufacturers....sell anything, to anybody, anytime.

No. Their goal is to protect the rights of citizens to defend themselves.

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Remember when elementary school kids got mowed down at school and nothing ever happened? Yeah, me too.

We will be outraged, we will mourn, we will talk about action, we will move on and then it will happen again.

I wish horrible horrible deaths on everyone involved with the gun lobby. I am sure this will go over very well with many but the lobby has so much blood on their hands.

If this was done by Islamists will you wish horrible horrible deaths on all of them as well?

On all of who? The gun lobby is directly responsible for thousands of deaths, regardless of the race/religion of these people

Well if your only concern is going after the gun lobby as opposed to the perpetrators and their ideology (whatever that might be) then attacks like these will always continue. As you said "we will be outraged, we will mourn, we will talk about action, we will move on and then it will happen again".

Whats this "we" shit? You dont live in this country.

So one shouldn't be concerned?

Weren't you outspoken for the world's moral responsibility to assist with the Syrian refugee crisis?

You may or may not recall I never interjected with what Canada ought to do. I confined it to the nation I am citizen of and rightly have a say in.

imalive said:

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

>1 mass shooting (4 or more dead or injured) for every day so far this year.

I don't want your hunting rifles but, for gods sake, could we do some background checks and keep people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns?

it's all about the motherfucking NRA lobby and the politicians who lack the spine to say no.

Do we know if any of the murderers were on a watch list? Why shout when you don't have the facts.

no, dude, I don't.....but is a fact that our politicians are scared to death of the the gun lobby....whose main goal is profit for gun manufacturers....sell anything, to anybody, anytime.

No. Their goal is to protect the rights of citizens to defend themselves.

yeah, right.

do you not believe things have changed just a little since your beloved 2nd Amendment was enacted 200-some years ago?

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Shawshank said:

I wonder how many are going to be disappointed when they find out it's not some group of redneck, toothless, gun toting, good ol' boys who did this?

Makes no difference who did it. The fact is 14 people will never take another breath because these jerkoffs had access to weapons designed to kill living beings.

Black, white, Muslim, Asian, Christian...all irrelevant.

It is absolutely relevant if you truly want to stop this.

Stop it? There's a huge contingency of people who don't even want to confront it. The US has a serious issue with gun violence and nobody seems truly care. There will be lots of discussion about gun violence and finally a push to profile the shooter so people can distance themselves from them and deny culpability. If they're Muslim they become terrorists; if they're Christian they become 'lone gunmen' separate from the rest of society. It's strange that Muslims are expected to be responsible for their fringe members when they commit atrocities yet the rest of us are allowed to distance ourselves from the nut jobs that we produce.

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

>1 mass shooting (4 or more dead or injured) for every day so far this year.

I don't want your hunting rifles but, for gods sake, could we do some background checks and keep people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns?

it's all about the motherfucking NRA lobby and the politicians who lack the spine to say no.

Do we know if any of the murderers were on a watch list? Why shout when you don't have the facts.

no, dude, I don't.....but is a fact that our politicians are scared to death of the the gun lobby....whose main goal is profit for gun manufacturers....sell anything, to anybody, anytime.

No. Their goal is to protect the rights of citizens to defend themselves.

yeah, right.

do you not believe things have changed just a little since your beloved 2nd Amendment was enacted 200-some years ago?

I'm from Canada and don't have a second amendment but I do believe your's is beautiful.

BS44325 said:

blueandwhite said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Shawshank said:

I wonder how many are going to be disappointed when they find out it's not some group of redneck, toothless, gun toting, good ol' boys who did this?

Makes no difference who did it. The fact is 14 people will never take another breath because these jerkoffs had access to weapons designed to kill living beings.

Black, white, Muslim, Asian, Christian...all irrelevant.

It is absolutely relevant if you truly want to stop this.

Stop it? There's a huge contingency of people who don't even want to confront it. The US has a serious issue with gun violence and nobody seems truly care. There will be lots of discussion about gun violence and finally a push to profile the shooter so people can distance themselves from them and deny culpability. If they're Muslim they become terrorists; if they're Christian they become 'lone gunmen' separate from the rest of society. It's strange that Muslims are expected to be responsible for their fringe members when they commit atrocities yet the rest of us are allowed to distance ourselves from the nut jobs that we produce.

I completely agree with you on policing our own but the truth is that many of the white/christian lone gunmen are not actually inspired by their faith to kill. The religion tends not to be the driver in those situations.

Smellyman said:

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

>1 mass shooting (4 or more dead or injured) for every day so far this year.

I don't want your hunting rifles but, for gods sake, could we do some background checks and keep people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns?

it's all about the motherfucking NRA lobby and the politicians who lack the spine to say no.

Do we know if any of the murderers were on a watch list? Why shout when you don't have the facts.

no, dude, I don't.....but is a fact that our politicians are scared to death of the the gun lobby....whose main goal is profit for gun manufacturers....sell anything, to anybody, anytime.

No. Their goal is to protect the rights of citizens to defend themselves.

yeah, right.

do you not believe things have changed just a little since your beloved 2nd Amendment was enacted 200-some years ago?

I'm from Canada and don't have a second amendment but I do believe your's is beautiful.

It must be awful living in Canada without those mass shootings and murders. Maybe someday you will get a 2nd amendment equivalent.

BS44325 said:

Smellyman said:

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

BS44325 said:

imalive said:

>1 mass shooting (4 or more dead or injured) for every day so far this year.

I don't want your hunting rifles but, for gods sake, could we do some background checks and keep people on the terrorist watch list from buying guns?

it's all about the motherfucking NRA lobby and the politicians who lack the spine to say no.

Do we know if any of the murderers were on a watch list? Why shout when you don't have the facts.

no, dude, I don't.....but is a fact that our politicians are scared to death of the the gun lobby....whose main goal is profit for gun manufacturers....sell anything, to anybody, anytime.

No. Their goal is to protect the rights of citizens to defend themselves.

yeah, right.

do you not believe things have changed just a little since your beloved 2nd Amendment was enacted 200-some years ago?

I'm from Canada and don't have a second amendment but I do believe your's is beautiful.

It must be awful living in Canada without those mass shootings and murders. Maybe someday you will get a 2nd amendment equivalent.

Our parliament was attacked by an Islamic radical only a short while ago. The only reason more weren't killed is that someone with a gun took the guy out. Read a paper.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Remember when elementary school kids got mowed down at school and nothing ever happened? Yeah, me too.

We will be outraged, we will mourn, we will talk about action, we will move on and then it will happen again.

I wish horrible horrible deaths on everyone involved with the gun lobby. I am sure this will go over very well with many but the lobby has so much blood on their hands.

If this was done by Islamists will you wish horrible horrible deaths on all of them as well?

On all of who? The gun lobby is directly responsible for thousands of deaths, regardless of the race/religion of these people

Well if your only concern is going after the gun lobby as opposed to the perpetrators and their ideology (whatever that might be) then attacks like these will always continue. As you said "we will be outraged, we will mourn, we will talk about action, we will move on and then it will happen again".

Whats this "we" shit? You dont live in this country.

So one shouldn't be concerned?

Weren't you outspoken for the world's moral responsibility to assist with the Syrian refugee crisis?

You may or may not recall I never interjected with what Canada ought to do. I confined it to the nation I am citizen of and rightly have a say in.

Well sure, but you became pretty impassioned over the fortunes of people from another country.

Yet here, you become indignant towards others for doing the same thing.

You don't see how you are inconsistent in this particular instance?

Yes, I am impassioned about that subject as well as others where I see a direct role in my countries foreign policy. Its about accountability. Really where I take umbrage is our friend consistently posting not opinion only but as if he has a direct say in it. He does not. Frankly I welcome the outside observers viewpoints generally. It provides a different prospective. From our friend though, I can watch fox news to get his take. No thanks.

You weren't very specific in your post and if you took note... several decent, caring people were taken aback with your words.

People on here care about a lot of things- from wolves to tigers to sharks to Syrians and... Americans too.

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mickeyrat said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

BS44325 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Remember when elementary school kids got mowed down at school and nothing ever happened? Yeah, me too.

We will be outraged, we will mourn, we will talk about action, we will move on and then it will happen again.

I wish horrible horrible deaths on everyone involved with the gun lobby. I am sure this will go over very well with many but the lobby has so much blood on their hands.

If this was done by Islamists will you wish horrible horrible deaths on all of them as well?

On all of who? The gun lobby is directly responsible for thousands of deaths, regardless of the race/religion of these people

Well if your only concern is going after the gun lobby as opposed to the perpetrators and their ideology (whatever that might be) then attacks like these will always continue. As you said "we will be outraged, we will mourn, we will talk about action, we will move on and then it will happen again".

Whats this "we" shit? You dont live in this country.

So one shouldn't be concerned?

Weren't you outspoken for the world's moral responsibility to assist with the Syrian refugee crisis?

You may or may not recall I never interjected with what Canada ought to do. I confined it to the nation I am citizen of and rightly have a say in.

Well sure, but you became pretty impassioned over the fortunes of people from another country.

Yet here, you become indignant towards others for doing the same thing.

You don't see how you are inconsistent in this particular instance?

Yes, I am impassioned about that subject as well as others where I see a direct role in my countries foreign policy. Its about accountability. Really where I take umbrage is our friend consistently posting not opinion only but as if he has a direct say in it. He does not. Frankly I welcome the outside observers viewpoints generally. It provides a different prospective. From our friend though, I can watch fox news to get his take. No thanks.

You weren't very specific in your post and if you took note... several decent, caring people were taken aback with your words.

People on here care about a lot of things- from wolves to tigers to sharks to Syrians and... Americans too.

to be fair, it was a response to a specific quoted post. Now I will concede that within the quoted post the words of another poster. So I was off base on that instance. However, my point holds with that person in general. "We" is thrown around enough to specific problems here. He cant own that shit. We , the citizens of this country , have to own it. And rightfully so. Much as I wish it were different on many fronts. Until we fully own our shit, it doesnt change.