America's Gun Violence

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

dudeman said:

eddiec said:

If you are buying a gun for the purpose of using it on the range to test your aiming skills why not just buy an olympic style high powered air rifle? Why does it have to be some weapon that was made for the purpose of killing multiple people very quickly and efficiently?

Why can't he buy whatever he wants as long as it's legal in his state? Who are you to decide how someone else spends their time and money?

He surely can, but in a thread about the tragic problems we have with gun violence in America, his musings on which machine with mass killing capabilities he will next purchase should be expected to be met with a certain amount of criticism.

dudeman said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

Yowzers, all this gun talk is giving me a headache...
I can't stop thinking of all the things I would buy with 900$ before I bought another gun.
It's a pretty long list.

You ve never spent $900 on a hobby? Please don't get into fishing, hunting, snowboarding, beer making, racing, off roading, bike riding.....

I have, in all candor, I am simply being judgemental about the hobby you choose. I have shot many guns, and frankly, I find it to be a juvenile pursuit with devastating consequences to society as a whole and many individual victims along the way.

So are you saying that Mcgruff buying another gun puts society at risk? That's an interesting view point.

No, I am saying that gun hobbyists as a whole put society at risk.

gun hobbyists, a very very responsible bunch of people, put society at risk? lots of murders at gun ranges huh?
it's juvenile to collect guns as a hobby? why do you care that I have guns? How does it directly impact you whether or not I own an ar-15 or ak-47?
maybe i'll collect pj stickers instead since that's the definition of a "mature hobby".

Gun hobbyists sustain the gun industry and thereby contribute to organizations that block common sense gun legislation, and the manufacturers they buy from do the same.
Gun culture is a real issue here, and if you think your AR is not connected to the 9mm some kid in Chicago used in a murder, you are seriously misguided.
It's like using drugs and pretending you have nothing to do with cartel violence.

Collecting PJ merch does not qualify as a mature or worthy hobby in my book either, but there aren't any threads about sticker murders so I don't jump on them lol

how the hell is me owning an ar-15 and using it responsibly in New jersey have any sort of connection to what goes on in chicago? chicago has some of the strongest gun laws in the country. your connections are very weak.

By contributing to organizations that fight ferociously to protect the laws that create the gun pipelines that supply urban crime zones, and by supporting a culture that allows it.

eddiec said:

If you are buying a gun for the purpose of using it on the range to test your aiming skills why not just buy an olympic style high powered air rifle? Why does it have to be some weapon that was made for the purpose of killing multiple people very quickly and efficiently?

rgambs said:

dudeman said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

dudeman said:

eddiec said:

If you are buying a gun for the purpose of using it on the range to test your aiming skills why not just buy an olympic style high powered air rifle? Why does it have to be some weapon that was made for the purpose of killing multiple people very quickly and efficiently?

Why can't he buy whatever he wants as long as it's legal in his state? Who are you to decide how someone else spends their time and money?

He surely can, but in a thread about the tragic problems we have with gun violence in America, his musings on which machine with mass killing capabilities he will next purchase should be expected to be met with a certain amount of criticism.

dudeman said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

Yowzers, all this gun talk is giving me a headache...
I can't stop thinking of all the things I would buy with 900$ before I bought another gun.
It's a pretty long list.

You ve never spent $900 on a hobby? Please don't get into fishing, hunting, snowboarding, beer making, racing, off roading, bike riding.....

I have, in all candor, I am simply being judgemental about the hobby you choose. I have shot many guns, and frankly, I find it to be a juvenile pursuit with devastating consequences to society as a whole and many individual victims along the way.

So are you saying that Mcgruff buying another gun puts society at risk? That's an interesting view point.

No, I am saying that gun hobbyists as a whole put society at risk.

gun hobbyists, a very very responsible bunch of people, put society at risk? lots of murders at gun ranges huh?
it's juvenile to collect guns as a hobby? why do you care that I have guns? How does it directly impact you whether or not I own an ar-15 or ak-47?
maybe i'll collect pj stickers instead since that's the definition of a "mature hobby".

Gun hobbyists sustain the gun industry and thereby contribute to organizations that block common sense gun legislation, and the manufacturers they buy from do the same.
Gun culture is a real issue here, and if you think your AR is not connected to the 9mm some kid in Chicago used in a murder, you are seriously misguided.
It's like using drugs and pretending you have nothing to do with cartel violence.

Collecting PJ merch does not qualify as a mature or worthy hobby in my book either, but there aren't any threads about sticker murders so I don't jump on them lol

how the hell is me owning an ar-15 and using it responsibly in New jersey have any sort of connection to what goes on in chicago? chicago has some of the strongest gun laws in the country. your connections are very weak.

By contributing to organizations that fight ferociously to protect the laws that create the gun pipelines that supply urban crime zones, and by supporting a culture that allows it.

I guess I didn't realize that gun laws created pipelines that supply urban crime zones. I thought it was illegal transfers, thefts and murderers getting their guns from friends and family members that supplied urban crime zones.

So, I guess, gun laws are bad?

You certainly have a dizzying intellect.

You have never heard of the Iron Pipeline? It doesn't take a dizzying intellect to keep up.
Some gun laws are bad. The ones that prohibit databases to catalog and track gun sales for instance, allowing Joe criminal to buy hundreds to smuggle out of state. That's just one example of the industry fighting sensibility.

dudeman said:

rgambs said:

dudeman said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

dudeman said:

eddiec said:

If you are buying a gun for the purpose of using it on the range to test your aiming skills why not just buy an olympic style high powered air rifle? Why does it have to be some weapon that was made for the purpose of killing multiple people very quickly and efficiently?

Why can't he buy whatever he wants as long as it's legal in his state? Who are you to decide how someone else spends their time and money?

He surely can, but in a thread about the tragic problems we have with gun violence in America, his musings on which machine with mass killing capabilities he will next purchase should be expected to be met with a certain amount of criticism.

dudeman said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

Yowzers, all this gun talk is giving me a headache...
I can't stop thinking of all the things I would buy with 900$ before I bought another gun.
It's a pretty long list.

You ve never spent $900 on a hobby? Please don't get into fishing, hunting, snowboarding, beer making, racing, off roading, bike riding.....

I have, in all candor, I am simply being judgemental about the hobby you choose. I have shot many guns, and frankly, I find it to be a juvenile pursuit with devastating consequences to society as a whole and many individual victims along the way.

So are you saying that Mcgruff buying another gun puts society at risk? That's an interesting view point.

No, I am saying that gun hobbyists as a whole put society at risk.

gun hobbyists, a very very responsible bunch of people, put society at risk? lots of murders at gun ranges huh?
it's juvenile to collect guns as a hobby? why do you care that I have guns? How does it directly impact you whether or not I own an ar-15 or ak-47?
maybe i'll collect pj stickers instead since that's the definition of a "mature hobby".

Gun hobbyists sustain the gun industry and thereby contribute to organizations that block common sense gun legislation, and the manufacturers they buy from do the same.
Gun culture is a real issue here, and if you think your AR is not connected to the 9mm some kid in Chicago used in a murder, you are seriously misguided.
It's like using drugs and pretending you have nothing to do with cartel violence.

Collecting PJ merch does not qualify as a mature or worthy hobby in my book either, but there aren't any threads about sticker murders so I don't jump on them lol

how the hell is me owning an ar-15 and using it responsibly in New jersey have any sort of connection to what goes on in chicago? chicago has some of the strongest gun laws in the country. your connections are very weak.

By contributing to organizations that fight ferociously to protect the laws that create the gun pipelines that supply urban crime zones, and by supporting a culture that allows it.

I guess I didn't realize that gun laws created pipelines that supply urban crime zones. I thought it was illegal transfers, thefts and murderers getting their guns from friends and family members that supplied urban crime zones.

So, I guess, gun laws are bad?

You certainly have a dizzying intellect.

You have never heard of the Iron Pipeline? It doesn't take a dizzying intellect to keep up.
Some gun laws are bad. The ones that prohibit databases to catalog and track gun sales for instance, allowing Joe criminal to buy hundreds to smuggle out of state. That's just one example of the industry fighting sensibility.

The way that post reads it that you think Joe Criminal is protected by law. He isn't. Smuggling guns is illegal.

An interesting case of this is Fast and Furious, where gun dealers were specifically instructed to disobey the law and sell large quantities of weapons to known traffickers. The idea was to track the guns to see if they ended up in Mexico. Well, they did and Americans died. The only way they got through was the order to disregard the law in the first place.

dudeman said:

rgambs said:

dudeman said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

dudeman said:

eddiec said:

If you are buying a gun for the purpose of using it on the range to test your aiming skills why not just buy an olympic style high powered air rifle? Why does it have to be some weapon that was made for the purpose of killing multiple people very quickly and efficiently?

Why can't he buy whatever he wants as long as it's legal in his state? Who are you to decide how someone else spends their time and money?

He surely can, but in a thread about the tragic problems we have with gun violence in America, his musings on which machine with mass killing capabilities he will next purchase should be expected to be met with a certain amount of criticism.

dudeman said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

Yowzers, all this gun talk is giving me a headache...
I can't stop thinking of all the things I would buy with 900$ before I bought another gun.
It's a pretty long list.

You ve never spent $900 on a hobby? Please don't get into fishing, hunting, snowboarding, beer making, racing, off roading, bike riding.....

I have, in all candor, I am simply being judgemental about the hobby you choose. I have shot many guns, and frankly, I find it to be a juvenile pursuit with devastating consequences to society as a whole and many individual victims along the way.

So are you saying that Mcgruff buying another gun puts society at risk? That's an interesting view point.

No, I am saying that gun hobbyists as a whole put society at risk.

gun hobbyists, a very very responsible bunch of people, put society at risk? lots of murders at gun ranges huh?
it's juvenile to collect guns as a hobby? why do you care that I have guns? How does it directly impact you whether or not I own an ar-15 or ak-47?
maybe i'll collect pj stickers instead since that's the definition of a "mature hobby".

Gun hobbyists sustain the gun industry and thereby contribute to organizations that block common sense gun legislation, and the manufacturers they buy from do the same.
Gun culture is a real issue here, and if you think your AR is not connected to the 9mm some kid in Chicago used in a murder, you are seriously misguided.
It's like using drugs and pretending you have nothing to do with cartel violence.

Collecting PJ merch does not qualify as a mature or worthy hobby in my book either, but there aren't any threads about sticker murders so I don't jump on them lol

how the hell is me owning an ar-15 and using it responsibly in New jersey have any sort of connection to what goes on in chicago? chicago has some of the strongest gun laws in the country. your connections are very weak.

By contributing to organizations that fight ferociously to protect the laws that create the gun pipelines that supply urban crime zones, and by supporting a culture that allows it.

I guess I didn't realize that gun laws created pipelines that supply urban crime zones. I thought it was illegal transfers, thefts and murderers getting their guns from friends and family members that supplied urban crime zones.

So, I guess, gun laws are bad?

You certainly have a dizzying intellect.

You have never heard of the Iron Pipeline? It doesn't take a dizzying intellect to keep up.
Some gun laws are bad. The ones that prohibit databases to catalog and track gun sales for instance, allowing Joe criminal to buy hundreds to smuggle out of state. That's just one example of the industry fighting sensibility.

The way that post reads it that you think Joe Criminal is protected by law. He isn't. Smuggling guns is illegal.

An interesting case of this is Fast and Furious, where gun dealers were specifically instructed to disobey the law and sell large quantities of weapons to known traffickers. The idea was to track the guns to see if they ended up in Mexico. Well, they did and Americans died. The only way they got through was the order to disregard the law in the first place.

tempo_n_groove said:

Question?

A "street gun" goes for far less than a gun over the counter so how are people making profits off these?

I can buy a 9mm off the streets way cheaper than in a store, way cheaper.

So how do gun dealers make money off these type of sales?

Just curious.

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Question?

A "street gun" goes for far less than a gun over the counter so how are people making profits off these?

I can buy a 9mm off the streets way cheaper than in a store, way cheaper.

So how do gun dealers make money off these type of sales?

Just curious.

Where do you live? Guns are much cheaper in Gun permissive states than they are in restrictive states, so there is profit to be made.

no they are not, this is completely wrong. The same ar-15 can be found pretty much at the same price across the nation. you can find them cheaper at cabela's or bass pro because they are a huge chain as compared to a mom and pop store. it's not like restrictive states add an extra tax on the sale of the gun like they do on cigarette purchases.

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Question?

A "street gun" goes for far less than a gun over the counter so how are people making profits off these?

I can buy a 9mm off the streets way cheaper than in a store, way cheaper.

So how do gun dealers make money off these type of sales?

Just curious.

Where do you live? Guns are much cheaper in Gun permissive states than they are in restrictive states, so there is profit to be made.

no they are not, this is completely wrong. The same ar-15 can be found pretty much at the same price across the nation. you can find them cheaper at cabela's or bass pro because they are a huge chain as compared to a mom and pop store. it's not like restrictive states add an extra tax on the sale of the gun like they do on cigarette purchases.

I'm talking about the black market price.

So a 9mm in the store costs $400 for a cheaper model. Let's say a Taurus.
I can go down the street and purchase that gun for 100-250.
So who is making the profit if I initially paid for 400 and now have to sell for half that?

If the gun was stolen then it's all cash money but if sold by a gun dealer I'm not seeing that.

Please explain further.

mickeyrat said:

tempo_n_groove said:

rgambs said:

mcgruff10 said:

rgambs said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Question?

A "street gun" goes for far less than a gun over the counter so how are people making profits off these?

I can buy a 9mm off the streets way cheaper than in a store, way cheaper.

So how do gun dealers make money off these type of sales?

Just curious.

Where do you live? Guns are much cheaper in Gun permissive states than they are in restrictive states, so there is profit to be made.

no they are not, this is completely wrong. The same ar-15 can be found pretty much at the same price across the nation. you can find them cheaper at cabela's or bass pro because they are a huge chain as compared to a mom and pop store. it's not like restrictive states add an extra tax on the sale of the gun like they do on cigarette purchases.

I'm talking about the black market price.

So a 9mm in the store costs $400 for a cheaper model. Let's say a Taurus.
I can go down the street and purchase that gun for 100-250.
So who is making the profit if I initially paid for 400 and now have to sell for half that?

If the gun was stolen then it's all cash money but if sold by a gun dealer I'm not seeing that.

Please explain further.

Might be that gun has a body on it or other ballistic traceable crime. YOU get found with well after and whos on the hook now?

Might be considered an acceptable loss assuming also its already earned the initial cost back and then some.