Police abuse

josevolution said:

I don't think any one is condoning her behavior at all it was despicable and she should be punished ie suspension or expelled but in no way did she deserve to be slammed like a wrestler ....

You know what? I'm kind of there with you. I didn't like seeing her flung to the ground. It did seem excessive, but I wasn't the one called to the problem. If it is established the school called the cop and wished for the cop to go talk to the disruptive kid... then dialogue should have occurred. If the school called and said to remove her from the class... well... that is what he did: with a demand that was ignored followed by force.

For those that expect the cop to back down after demanding she get up and leave the class... you aren't thinking correctly. Schools need authority. The call to the cop was one made having little recourse after the initial steps to fix the situation had failed- the idiot made a mountain of a mole hill.

Once the cop was brought in... the game had changed significantly. There was no more messing around and anyone with half a brain should have been able to establish this for themselves.

Fired? That's a proactive measure aimed at warding off the inevitable backlash that follows events such as these. And it's horseshit. This cop didn't deserve to be fired. If anything... because people needed something directed at public enemy #1... maybe a suspension, but I wouldn't even suggest that. He made an error in judgement while on the job. Nobody was really hurt. He should have been instructed in a better method for dealing with the problem- the entire department should have.

The daily news reported that she was recently orphaned and living in foster care.

callen said:

ldent42 said:

The daily news reported that she was recently orphaned and living in foster care.

How lucky am I.

Not sure if sarcasm or genuine gratitude.

Of good morning campers.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

ldent42 said:

callen said:

ldent42 said:

The daily news reported that she was recently orphaned and living in foster care.

How lucky am I.

Not sure if sarcasm or genuine gratitude.

Oh genuine.

Not a black female orphaned in America then body slammed by cop. Shit I'd have a freakin attitude as well. And good ole accepting society just fked her some more. No understanding or love. Last thing she needed was this.

Yeah yeah yeah "she's got same opportunities as I, just pull up the ole boot straps and be responsible." Fk


Oh Last part, sarcasm. The haves have not a fkn clue.

Her personal situation is poor, but that doesn't give her a license to act like an asshole.

I do feel badly that things came to what they did, but discounting personal responsibility in this matter is not prudent. You could make an excuse for every sad, twisted, and unfortunate story we have discussed on this forum.

You mean the personal responsibility of the dude 2x her size that body slammed her right.

I have to say, now that I know why her parents weren't called I understand why the police were called, and I still disagree with the decision. They should've called her social worker.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

ldent42 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

ldent42 said:

callen said:

ldent42 said:

The daily news reported that she was recently orphaned and living in foster care.

How lucky am I.

Not sure if sarcasm or genuine gratitude.

Oh genuine.

Not a black female orphaned in America then body slammed by cop. Shit I'd have a freakin attitude as well. And good ole accepting society just fked her some more. No understanding or love. Last thing she needed was this.

Yeah yeah yeah "she's got same opportunities as I, just pull up the ole boot straps and be responsible." Fk


Oh Last part, sarcasm. The haves have not a fkn clue.

Her personal situation is poor, but that doesn't give her a license to act like an asshole.

I do feel badly that things came to what they did, but discounting personal responsibility in this matter is not prudent. You could make an excuse for every sad, twisted, and unfortunate story we have discussed on this forum.

You mean the personal responsibility of the dude 2x her size that body slammed her right.

I have to say, now that I know why her parents weren't called I understand why the police were called, and I still disagree with the decision. They should've called her social worker.

So it would have been okay for a feeble little weak cop to come in and flail away?

Sometimes people use the situation to their advantage. In this particular case, the girl might have acted brazenly thinking nobody was going to do anything about her belligerent behaviour. She pushed too far. As I have said... once the cops were called and on scene... the gig was up. She was even given a chance by the cop to leave without resorting to force and she refused.

I know some are suggesting that incrementally... inch by inch... authorities needed to escalate their level of intervention. Some are even suggesting doing nothing at all. With her resistance... force was inevitable. And with that said... as badly as it looked... she wasn't hurt (until, of course, after she talked to civil rights lawyers).

A feeble weak little cop wouldn't have been able to successfully flail away. I'm not suggesting that it is okay for anyone to fling that girl around in that situation. I am suggesting that an adult human person, particularly an adult human person in a position of authority, should exorcise better judgement than a grieving teenager whose life has just been upended and is probably in a fucked up headspace.

To be perfectly clear, I'm of the probably unpopular opinion that there are circumstances in which police acting violently against a civilian is justified. However this situation did not call for the violence that that was used. Remember the one a few months ago where the cops were busting up a pool party and one of them flipped out and tossed a teenage girl in a bikini on the ground and sat on her woke screaming at her? You gonna tell me you're not getting deja vu here? There is clearly a systemic anger & violence issue within the institution of the police force.

And yes, the girl was wrong-her behavior was wrong, but the response to her behavior was worse - so much worse in fact that it does turn the tables and switch her from aggressor to victim.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

I hope one day all Police will have direct consult with the folks in this thread while enroute to a call.
What a world it would be.

I think it would be better if the small percentage of police who use excessive force would use better judgement instead. Or get replaced.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

ldent42 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

ldent42 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

callen said:

ldent42 said:

callen said:

ldent42 said:

The daily news reported that she was recently orphaned and living in foster care.

How lucky am I.

Not sure if sarcasm or genuine gratitude.

Oh genuine.

Not a black female orphaned in America then body slammed by cop. Shit I'd have a freakin attitude as well. And good ole accepting society just fked her some more. No understanding or love. Last thing she needed was this.

Yeah yeah yeah "she's got same opportunities as I, just pull up the ole boot straps and be responsible." Fk


Oh Last part, sarcasm. The haves have not a fkn clue.

Her personal situation is poor, but that doesn't give her a license to act like an asshole.

I do feel badly that things came to what they did, but discounting personal responsibility in this matter is not prudent. You could make an excuse for every sad, twisted, and unfortunate story we have discussed on this forum.

You mean the personal responsibility of the dude 2x her size that body slammed her right.

I have to say, now that I know why her parents weren't called I understand why the police were called, and I still disagree with the decision. They should've called her social worker.

So it would have been okay for a feeble little weak cop to come in and flail away?

Sometimes people use the situation to their advantage. In this particular case, the girl might have acted brazenly thinking nobody was going to do anything about her belligerent behaviour. She pushed too far. As I have said... once the cops were called and on scene... the gig was up. She was even given a chance by the cop to leave without resorting to force and she refused.

I know some are suggesting that incrementally... inch by inch... authorities needed to escalate their level of intervention. Some are even suggesting doing nothing at all. With her resistance... force was inevitable. And with that said... as badly as it looked... she wasn't hurt (until, of course, after she talked to civil rights lawyers).

A feeble weak little cop wouldn't have been able to successfully flail away. I'm not suggesting that it is okay for anyone to fling that girl around in that situation. I am suggesting that an adult human person, particularly an adult human person in a position of authority, should exorcise better judgement than a grieving teenager whose life has just been upended and is probably in a fucked up headspace.

To be perfectly clear, I'm of the probably unpopular opinion that there are circumstances in which police acting violently against a civilian is justified. However this situation did not call for the violence that that was used. Remember the one a few months ago where the cops were busting up a pool party and one of them flipped out and tossed a teenage girl in a bikini on the ground and sat on her woke screaming at her? You gonna tell me you're not getting deja vu here? There is clearly a systemic anger & violence issue within the institution of the police force.

And yes, the girl was wrong-her behavior was wrong, but the response to her behavior was worse - so much worse in fact that it does turn the tables and switch her from aggressor to victim.

How was the cop to know what you crossed out?

Honestly, I agreed with Callen somewhere in this thread that it was an unfair position to place the cop in. Given all we know... reflecting now... the school officials should be on trial here more than the officer.

And again... she was unceremoniously dumped from her desk, but she wasn't hurt. If she had her neck broken or a dislocated shoulder... this might actually be the issue some have made it out to be. Don't forget she resisted physically as well. You can downplay her resistance, but to the officer... why should he play that game?

That's why I crossed it out. There was no way for him to know, unless he'd been informed by the two or three people who tried dealing with her before he was called, which is possible, but we can't know for sure. Either way I maintain that her acs caseworker should've been called. They're trained to deal with kids acting out. Cops aren't. The school admin would have to have been aware of her guardianship situation, so there's really no excuse there.

And she was tossed across the floor after being dumped back on her desk. Maybe no broken bones but the girl was hurt.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
If the case worker was on the ball he/she would've been on scene.
This festered at all levels until police were called.

Why? Is the case worker supposed to be psychic? Or are they supposed to shadow all of their clients every day?

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

oftenreading said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
If the case worker was on the ball he/she would've been on scene.
This festered at all levels until police were called.

Why? Is the case worker supposed to be psychic? Or are they supposed to shadow all of their clients every day?

You would think it came with the job of being a case worker.
Stay with the case.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

oftenreading said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
If the case worker was on the ball he/she would've been on scene.
This festered at all levels until police were called.

Why? Is the case worker supposed to be psychic? Or are they supposed to shadow all of their clients every day?

You would think it came with the job of being a case worker.
Stay with the case.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

oftenreading said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
If the case worker was on the ball he/she would've been on scene.
This festered at all levels until police were called.

Why? Is the case worker supposed to be psychic? Or are they supposed to shadow all of their clients every day?

You would think it came with the job of being a case worker.
Stay with the case.

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

oftenreading said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
If the case worker was on the ball he/she would've been on scene.
This festered at all levels until police were called.

Why? Is the case worker supposed to be psychic? Or are they supposed to shadow all of their clients every day?

You would think it came with the job of being a case worker.
Stay with the case.

If you must stay with each of several dozen or possibly several hundred kids each day, you will soon be a basket case worker.