Canadian Politics

PJ_Soul · October 2015

I just assume Trudeau will do kind of a shit job, lol. And I would assume the same if Mulcair had won. And if Harper had won. It's just a matter of who does the least shit job. I mean, people aren't really still naive enough to think any one party can come along and make Canada great, do they? I am personally much more cynical than that when it comes to politics and the economy. However, it is VERY nice to be rid of a leader and a party that was getting all racist and paranoid and focused on weirdo right wing agendas like keeping weed illegal and trying to get some woman to show her face during a ceremony, and muzzling scientists and all that garbage. Even someone as cynical as I am about politics expects better than THAT kind of crap.
Also, I think Trudeau's youth is VERY appealing, and I don't think that the rest of world will mind that at all. We desperately needed to get some new youthful enthusiasm into our government after 10 years of Harper. I think Trudeau's youth and energy is one of the best things the Liberal party can bring right now. He is really engaging, he will actually speak to Canadians, which Harper never did, and that is a HUGE change from what we had.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2015

his youth may be appealing, but his inexperience may work against him a bit. Harper probably had a good amount of respect amongst other world leaders, and Trudeau may be seen as Pierre's "kid". He may have to do some sizable things to overcome this perception.

PJ_Soul · October 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:
his youth may be appealing, but his inexperience may work against him a bit. Harper probably had a good amount of respect amongst other world leaders, and Trudeau may be seen as Pierre's "kid". He may have to do some sizable things to overcome this perception.

Where do you get the idea that world leaders particularly respect Harper? I've never seen anything to specifically suggest that... Trudeau is 44 years old, almost 45. He's not that young. I don't see why he would have any issues. Wasn't Obama around the same age when he won his first term?? As for his experience... He's lead the Liberal Party for a few years now, and has been a member of Parliament since 2008, and his dad was the PM. I don't think he's particularly inexperienced anymore either (did the Con propaganda work on you just a bit HFD?

). I mean, yeah, he has less experience than the norm for a PM... but I figure that what he DOES bring to the table makes up for that. Judging from world leaders who have a ton of experience and just SUCK (and have had time to build up a nice slimy layer of shadiness) I'm not convinced that really makes too much of a difference anyway!

HughFreakingDillon · October 2015

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
his youth may be appealing, but his inexperience may work against him a bit. Harper probably had a good amount of respect amongst other world leaders, and Trudeau may be seen as Pierre's "kid". He may have to do some sizable things to overcome this perception.
Where do you get the idea that world leaders respect Harper? I've never seen anything to specifically suggest that... Trudeau is 44 years old, almost 45. He's not that young. I don't see why he would have any issues. Wasn't Obama around the same age when he won his first term??

I'm talking experience, not age.

PJ_Soul · October 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
his youth may be appealing, but his inexperience may work against him a bit. Harper probably had a good amount of respect amongst other world leaders, and Trudeau may be seen as Pierre's "kid". He may have to do some sizable things to overcome this perception.
Where do you get the idea that world leaders respect Harper? I've never seen anything to specifically suggest that... Trudeau is 44 years old, almost 45. He's not that young. I don't see why he would have any issues. Wasn't Obama around the same age when he won his first term??
I'm talking experience, not age.

I edited to include that issue before I saw this.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2015

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
his youth may be appealing, but his inexperience may work against him a bit. Harper probably had a good amount of respect amongst other world leaders, and Trudeau may be seen as Pierre's "kid". He may have to do some sizable things to overcome this perception.
Where do you get the idea that world leaders particularly respect Harper? I've never seen anything to specifically suggest that... Trudeau is 44 years old, almost 45. He's not that young. I don't see why he would have any issues. Wasn't Obama around the same age when he won his first term?? As for his experience... He's lead the Liberal Party for a few years now, and has been a member of Parliament since 2008, and his dad was the PM. I don't think he's particularly inexperienced anymore either (did the Con propaganda work on you just a bit HFD? ). I mean, yeah, he has less experience than the norm for a PM... but I figure that what he DOES bring to the table makes up for that. Judging from world leaders who have a ton of experience and just SUCK (and have had time to build up a nice slimy layer of shadiness) I'm not convinced that really makes too much of a difference anyway!

if the con propaganda machine had worked on me, I wouldn't have voted for him!

the respect for Harper thing honestly isn't rooted in anything tangible, really, just a feeling I have from stuff I've read.

I don't think his dad being the pm would have had much of an impact on him. he was too young to really get it. to him, his dad would have been a guy with an important job.

like I said, it might work in his favour, it may not. I'm not saying it won't. I'm just saying it will be interesting to watch.

PJ_Soul · October 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
his youth may be appealing, but his inexperience may work against him a bit. Harper probably had a good amount of respect amongst other world leaders, and Trudeau may be seen as Pierre's "kid". He may have to do some sizable things to overcome this perception.
Where do you get the idea that world leaders particularly respect Harper? I've never seen anything to specifically suggest that... Trudeau is 44 years old, almost 45. He's not that young. I don't see why he would have any issues. Wasn't Obama around the same age when he won his first term?? As for his experience... He's lead the Liberal Party for a few years now, and has been a member of Parliament since 2008, and his dad was the PM. I don't think he's particularly inexperienced anymore either (did the Con propaganda work on you just a bit HFD? ). I mean, yeah, he has less experience than the norm for a PM... but I figure that what he DOES bring to the table makes up for that. Judging from world leaders who have a ton of experience and just SUCK (and have had time to build up a nice slimy layer of shadiness) I'm not convinced that really makes too much of a difference anyway!
if the con propaganda machine had worked on me, I wouldn't have voted for him!

the respect for Harper thing honestly isn't rooted in anything tangible, really, just a feeling I have from stuff I've read.

I don't think his dad being the pm would have had much of an impact on him. he was too young to really get it. to him, his dad would have been a guy with an important job.

like I said, it might work in his favour, it may not. I'm not saying it won't. I'm just saying it will be interesting to watch.

Yes, it will be interesting. I am just glad someone who doesn't have a giant stick up his ass is the PM.

I actually think that his dad being the PM would have had a huge impact on him, both during his time as leader, and long afterwards. Justin was what? 12 when his dad left office? But his dad was still the ex-PM after that. Justin has been around politicians and the work they do all his life. I think that would have a really big impact personally, and it should also help him deal with the media and the public. I think being around that forever actually qualifies as a very unique kind of experience for the position.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2015

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
his youth may be appealing, but his inexperience may work against him a bit. Harper probably had a good amount of respect amongst other world leaders, and Trudeau may be seen as Pierre's "kid". He may have to do some sizable things to overcome this perception.
Where do you get the idea that world leaders particularly respect Harper? I've never seen anything to specifically suggest that... Trudeau is 44 years old, almost 45. He's not that young. I don't see why he would have any issues. Wasn't Obama around the same age when he won his first term?? As for his experience... He's lead the Liberal Party for a few years now, and has been a member of Parliament since 2008, and his dad was the PM. I don't think he's particularly inexperienced anymore either (did the Con propaganda work on you just a bit HFD? ). I mean, yeah, he has less experience than the norm for a PM... but I figure that what he DOES bring to the table makes up for that. Judging from world leaders who have a ton of experience and just SUCK (and have had time to build up a nice slimy layer of shadiness) I'm not convinced that really makes too much of a difference anyway!
if the con propaganda machine had worked on me, I wouldn't have voted for him!

the respect for Harper thing honestly isn't rooted in anything tangible, really, just a feeling I have from stuff I've read.

I don't think his dad being the pm would have had much of an impact on him. he was too young to really get it. to him, his dad would have been a guy with an important job.

like I said, it might work in his favour, it may not. I'm not saying it won't. I'm just saying it will be interesting to watch.

Yes, it will be interesting. I am just glad someone who doesn't have a giant stick up his ass is the PM.

I actually think that his dad being the PM would have had a huge impact on him, both during his time as leader, and long afterwards. Justin was what? 12 when his dad left office? But his dad was still the ex-PM after that. Justin has been around politicians and the work they do all his life. I think that would have a really big impact personally, and it should also help him deal with the media and the public. I think being around that forever actually qualifies as a very unique kind of experience for the position.

I hadn't done the math. I thought he was significantly younger than that when PET left office. but you're right, it has been part of his growing up.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · October 2015

Does anyone else notice that this election win isn't really dominating headlines and newscasts.
We just changed our prime minister and the press seems focused on the members who lost their seats (of all parties).
It just feels like a collective "holy shit what just happened kind of feel)
Listening to various newscasters, djs on the radio there is no real enthusiasm about this change.
The vibe around work and relatives had a tangible hum of what did I do? Every single seat in Noval Scotia gone? The ABC was for laymens. Sending people who regularly don't vote with a message of ABC deserves what we have.
Now we have one province with no representation whatsoever from other parties. Time for the senate to step up.
I don't feel bad for harper losing but I genuinely feel for a majority of mps who were well respected in this country and abroad who lost their seat for no other reason than because zombie voters put an x on ABC

PJ_Soul · October 2015

No, I haven't noticed that at all. It has been the #1 headline and #1 topic of conversation all day, and there seems to be a huge sense of enthusiasm and positivity and excitement about the change... I think maybe your disappointment with the results might be colouring your perspective of reality or something?

HughFreakingDillon · October 2015

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Does anyone else notice that this election win isn't really dominating headlines and newscasts.
We just changed our prime minister and the press seems focused on the members who lost their seats (of all parties).
It just feels like a collective "holy shit what just happened kind of feel)
Listening to various newscasters, djs on the radio there is no real enthusiasm about this change.
The vibe around work and relatives had a tangible hum of what did I do? Every single seat in Noval Scotia gone? The ABC was for laymens. Sending people who regularly don't vote with a message of ABC deserves what we have.
Now we have one province with no representation whatsoever from other parties. Time for the senate to step up.
I don't feel bad for harper losing but I genuinely feel for a majority of mps who were well respected in this country and abroad who lost their seat for no other reason than because zombie voters put an x on ABC

there was one person on CTV news last night that was saying that a sweep like this is actually bad for democracy, and I somewhat agree it can be problematic, if one party can run roughshod and do whatever they want because they have the numbers to do so. I think the Liberals are going to tread lightly though. They'd be wise to be cautious and reach across the aisle even though they don't have to. they have an excellent opportunity here to gain respect as leaders and a team.

attributing this loss to "zombie voters" isn't giving Trudeau enough credit, or conversely, Harper (and his party) enough blame. The general population, I would hope, aren't swayed by dirty politics, or they were in a negative way (tired of Harper's fear mongering). They genuinely wanted someone who doesn't have a proven record of being a dirty politician who goes against the values that they want in office. Harper did some good things, of course. But he did a lot of really shitty things too.

In my office there doesn't seem to be any hint of regret. Just sour grapes from those who voted conservative.

mickeyrat · October 2015

oftenreading said:

mickeyrat said:
Hmmm, there goes that stereotype.
The polite Canadian stereotype?

You're too kind.

oftenreading · October 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Does anyone else notice that this election win isn't really dominating headlines and newscasts.
We just changed our prime minister and the press seems focused on the members who lost their seats (of all parties).
It just feels like a collective "holy shit what just happened kind of feel)
Listening to various newscasters, djs on the radio there is no real enthusiasm about this change.
The vibe around work and relatives had a tangible hum of what did I do? Every single seat in Noval Scotia gone? The ABC was for laymens. Sending people who regularly don't vote with a message of ABC deserves what we have.
Now we have one province with no representation whatsoever from other parties. Time for the senate to step up.
I don't feel bad for harper losing but I genuinely feel for a majority of mps who were well respected in this country and abroad who lost their seat for no other reason than because zombie voters put an x on ABC
there was one person on CTV news last night that was saying that a sweep like this is actually bad for democracy, and I somewhat agree it can be problematic, if one party can run roughshod and do whatever they want because they have the numbers to do so. I think the Liberals are going to tread lightly though. They'd be wise to be cautious and reach across the aisle even though they don't have to. they have an excellent opportunity here to gain respect as leaders and a team.

attributing this loss to "zombie voters" isn't giving Trudeau enough credit, or conversely, Harper (and his party) enough blame. The general population, I would hope, aren't swayed by dirty politics, or they were in a negative way (tired of Harper's fear mongering). They genuinely wanted someone who doesn't have a proven record of being a dirty politician who goes against the values that they want in office. Harper did some good things, of course. But he did a lot of really shitty things too.

In my office there doesn't seem to be any hint of regret. Just sour grapes from those who voted conservative.

I think the idea of the "sweep" is more how things changed for the Liberals. Sure, they have a sizable majority but the Cons still have 99 seats so nothing to sneeze at; they'll make their presence known.

1ThoughtKnown · October 2015

Wow, that acceptance speech last night was some kind of awful. 4 years of international embarrassment, here we come.

Impressed with my fellow countrymen and women in the voter turnout. 68% is a whopping turnout for an election in Canada.

Learned a little about Turdo Tit Twister Tax today by looking online. Seems he is creating a fourth tax bracket. If you earn more than $200,000 you will pay 33% more on anything over that amount.
So, it means in some provinces when you combine it with provincial tax you may be paying more than HALF your income to the government in income tax alone on anything over $200,000.

All to save someone who makes $89,000 a year a grand total of $670 dollars.

According to 2011 statistics, the top 1% of wage earners in Canada made north of $191,000 dollars.

Having said all this, it would not bother me to pay more taxes if the money was going to be used to build this infrastructure Turdo says we need. However he is going to run deficits for the next three years. Ahhhh the legacy of his "great father"

In 1968, when Trudeau went from rich, socialist professor who had never held a real job in his life to prime minister, Canada's national debt was a modest $11.3 billion; the federal deficit was zero. When Trudeau left office in 1984, the debt had mushroomed to $128 billion; the deficit to $25 billion annually. But this was just the beginning.

Canada's Great Helmsman created a vast bureaucracy, and massive welfare programs to buy votes for his Liberal Party. He restricted trade and free markets, imposing confiscatory taxes.

Ahhhh the institutional elite, always telling us they know better. I only hope Junior doesn't throw us into the same vapid wasteland I grew up in. Anyone remember the 80s or early 90s? All a result of that pompous asshole. Something tells me the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · October 2015

His military stance is to rob paul to pay peter. The only campaign issue that he spoke to about how he will affect change.
The rest of his stances will only happen when things pan out like they "always" do in liberal la la land.
The old stock Canadian base has already grown for the next election.
It has to in order to make the necessary cuts to pay of the debt that will be amassed in four years which the majority of Canadians voted for by the way -running deficits was a campaign promise. Wow.
Earlier I posted about the media has immediately focused on turdos next move not his win.
Many ABC voters are wondering what just happened due to their strategic vote they should not have made.
You want the job turdo you got it. Now go tell off putin and while your at it tell Obama that you are no longer an ally.
25000 Syrian refuges by xmas? we'll see

HughFreakingDillon · October 2015

the legacy of PET goes way beyond the economics of the time, which were felt not only in canada, but much of the western world, including the US. it wasn't him. it was the global economy. But you'd already know that, wouldn't you?

Charter of Rights and Freedoms anyone?
Bilingualism/multiculturalism?
Constitution Act?

to name only 3.

gimme a break.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · October 2015

^^^
I only named three as I have four years to compile a list.
Sometimes one has to save their breath.

edit - I thought you meant I only listed three. To that my response stays the same.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2015

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
^^^
I only named three as I have four years to compile a list.
Sometimes one has to save their breath.

I was talking to your crony up there.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · October 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
^^^
I only named three as I have four years to compile a list.
Sometimes one has to save their breath.
I was talking to your crony up there.

I edited instead of quoting. My edit was "I thought you meant I only listed three"

1ThoughtKnown · October 2015

^^^^^

Yeah they all meant a lot to me when I was making $5.70 an hour slinging Pizza.
I mean, I was so elated about bilingualism when I lived on pizza because I barely made enough to pay the rent.
It was just awesome to have a Charter of Rights and Freedoms (not signed by Quebec YET) when I barely had a pot to piss in around 1991.
The "constitution act" of PET was an amendment and called the Charter of Rights and Freedoms "anyone?". I am SURE you are aware as GREAT a man that PET was he was not alive in 1867 when the Constituion Act was signed?

Multiculturalism, well, he certainly gave us that didn't he. Or did he?
Historically accurate people would note the National Bill of Rights, passed by Diefenbaker's Tories in 1960 was the beginning of Canada's inclusivity.

The Canadian Bill of Rights protects numerous rights, most of which were later included in the Charter. Examples include:

Freedom of speech in Canada and freedom of religion in Canada (now in Section 2 of the Charter)
equality rights (more complete rights are contained in Section 15 of the Charter)
The right to life, liberty and security of the person, and in another section, rights to fundamental justice (the Charter combines those rights in Section 7)
The right to enjoyment of property, which is not enshrined in the Charter
The right to counsel (now in Section 10 of the Charter).

PET just ammended the constitution. These wheels were already in motion.
Trudeau revisionists always make me laugh, he was the WORST PM in history, period.

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