America's Gun Violence

dudeman · October 2015

Gern Blansten said:

dudeman said:
By properly trained and qualified law abiding citizens....sure. I don't think it's coincidence that 92% of mass shootings occur in gun free zones.

I think lawful concealed carry should be allowed and if an institution wants to remain a gun free zone, they should ensure the safety of the people by employing armed personnel and conducting searches TSA-style.

Obviously, something needs to change.
92%? That sounds like a statistic that has no basis in fact

Gun free zones usually mean that unlawful weapons cannot be possessed or sold. Someone who has a gun permit is not unlawful. Don't get hypnotized by fake right wing stats.

That statistic came from a CDC study of gun violence. Churches, schools and theaters are by far the most common places that mass shootings occur.

And yes, some places allow campus carry now but most do not allow lawful concealed carry.

Gern Blansten · October 2015

dudeman said:

Gern Blansten said:

dudeman said:
By properly trained and qualified law abiding citizens....sure. I don't think it's coincidence that 92% of mass shootings occur in gun free zones.

I think lawful concealed carry should be allowed and if an institution wants to remain a gun free zone, they should ensure the safety of the people by employing armed personnel and conducting searches TSA-style.

Obviously, something needs to change.
92%? That sounds like a statistic that has no basis in fact

Gun free zones usually mean that unlawful weapons cannot be possessed or sold. Someone who has a gun permit is not unlawful. Don't get hypnotized by fake right wing stats.
That statistic came from a CDC study of gun violence. Churches, schools and theaters are by far the most common places that mass shootings occur.

And yes, some places allow campus carry now but most do not allow lawful concealed carry.

Please provide a link for the study

HughFreakingDillon · October 2015

it seems pretty obvious to me the reason that most shootings occur in gun free zones isn't because they are gun free zones, it's because those are the places that the perp has some problem with and/or can inflict maximum damage in minimum time.

dudeman · October 2015

Gern Blansten said:

dudeman said:

Gern Blansten said:

dudeman said:
By properly trained and qualified law abiding citizens....sure. I don't think it's coincidence that 92% of mass shootings occur in gun free zones.

I think lawful concealed carry should be allowed and if an institution wants to remain a gun free zone, they should ensure the safety of the people by employing armed personnel and conducting searches TSA-style.

Obviously, something needs to change.
92%? That sounds like a statistic that has no basis in fact

Gun free zones usually mean that unlawful weapons cannot be possessed or sold. Someone who has a gun permit is not unlawful. Don't get hypnotized by fake right wing stats.
That statistic came from a CDC study of gun violence. Churches, schools and theaters are by far the most common places that mass shootings occur.

And yes, some places allow campus carry now but most do not allow lawful concealed carry.

dudeman said:

Gern Blansten said:

dudeman said:
By properly trained and qualified law abiding citizens....sure. I don't think it's coincidence that 92% of mass shootings occur in gun free zones.

I think lawful concealed carry should be allowed and if an institution wants to remain a gun free zone, they should ensure the safety of the people by employing armed personnel and conducting searches TSA-style.

Obviously, something needs to change.
92%? That sounds like a statistic that has no basis in fact

Gun free zones usually mean that unlawful weapons cannot be possessed or sold. Someone who has a gun permit is not unlawful. Don't get hypnotized by fake right wing stats.
That statistic came from a CDC study of gun violence. Churches, schools and theaters are by far the most common places that mass shootings occur.

And yes, some places allow campus carry now but most do not allow lawful concealed carry.
Please provide a link for the study

Oops. My bad. It was the Crime Prevention Research Center.

dudeman · October 2015

HughFreakingDillon said:
it seems pretty obvious to me the reason that most shootings occur in gun free zones isn't because they are gun free zones, it's because those are the places that the perp has some problem with and/or can inflict maximum damage in minimum time.

Obviously they want to attack large crowds. Gun shows and NRA conventions attract large crowds. Why don't mass shootings happen there?

jnimhaoileoin · October 2015

dudeman said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
it seems pretty obvious to me the reason that most shootings occur in gun free zones isn't because they are gun free zones, it's because those are the places that the perp has some problem with and/or can inflict maximum damage in minimum time.
Obviously they want to attack large crowds. Gun shows and NRA conventions attract large crowds. Why don't mass shootings happen there?

Probably because the shooter has no personal link to such places as they do in their school or place of work etc. The location of these mass shootings is rarely random nor chosen because it is a designated gun-free zone

gimmesometruth27 · October 2015

Gern Blansten said:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jay-dickey-regrets-amendment

Republican regrets ending federal gun research...there are a few honest GOP left

of course he is going to say he has regrets. the truth is out there that this is the person who is responsible for ending the research. it is either admit it now or have it brought out by opposition on the campaign trail.

gimmesometruth27 · October 2015

dudeman said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
it seems pretty obvious to me the reason that most shootings occur in gun free zones isn't because they are gun free zones, it's because those are the places that the perp has some problem with and/or can inflict maximum damage in minimum time.
Obviously they want to attack large crowds. Gun shows and NRA conventions attract large crowds. Why don't mass shootings happen there?

because gun shows do not normally allow live ammo inside the actual show.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · October 2015

gimmesometruth27 said:

dudeman said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
it seems pretty obvious to me the reason that most shootings occur in gun free zones isn't because they are gun free zones, it's because those are the places that the perp has some problem with and/or can inflict maximum damage in minimum time.
Obviously they want to attack large crowds. Gun shows and NRA conventions attract large crowds. Why don't mass shootings happen there?
because gun shows do not normally allow live ammo inside the actual show.

The NRA and related gun organizations aren't stupid: they're not just going to allow people with guns and live ammunition into their shows.

The display people would want no part of that and can you blame them? Who would?

(All for open carry and big guns... but in someone else's back yard!)

gimmesometruth27 · October 2015

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

dudeman said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
it seems pretty obvious to me the reason that most shootings occur in gun free zones isn't because they are gun free zones, it's because those are the places that the perp has some problem with and/or can inflict maximum damage in minimum time.
Obviously they want to attack large crowds. Gun shows and NRA conventions attract large crowds. Why don't mass shootings happen there?
because gun shows do not normally allow live ammo inside the actual show.
The NRA and related gun organizations aren't stupid: they're not just going to allow people with guns and live ammunition into their shows.

The display people would want no part of that and can you blame them? Who would?

(All for open carry and big guns... but in someone else's back yard!)

we have actually had entire threads talking about how the nra is all about open carry with no restriction, yet everywhere outside their shows. it is an absolute joke.

all these pro gun congress people, pro gun supreme court, yet nobody can bring guns to the house, senate, or supreme court hearings. the absolute safest people are the ones making the decisions and judging the laws.

and the biggest ammosexual organization of them all does not allow live ammo at their shows. that would be like going to a porn convention that does not allow nudity.

dudeman · October 2015

gimmesometruth27 said:

dudeman said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
it seems pretty obvious to me the reason that most shootings occur in gun free zones isn't because they are gun free zones, it's because those are the places that the perp has some problem with and/or can inflict maximum damage in minimum time.
Obviously they want to attack large crowds. Gun shows and NRA conventions attract large crowds. Why don't mass shootings happen there?
because gun shows do not normally allow live ammo inside the actual show.

Have you ever been to a gun show? There is live ammo everywhere.

I've never been to an NRA event, but every gun show I've been to has people carrying guns and ammo all over the place.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · October 2015

If Pearl Jam was smart, the 10C would sell guns.

Imagine the email coming out on the 10th announcing 9mm Smith & Wesson handguns. Limited edition of course.

Forget backpacks, mugs, stickers, and t-shirts... it's time to knock it out of the park.

Of course, Canadians wouldn't be able to buy them so I'd be really bummed. Well... not really actually.

hedonist · October 2015

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
If Pearl Jam was smart, the 10C would sell guns.

Imagine the email coming out on the 10th announcing 9mm Smith & Wesson handguns. Limited edition of course.

Forget backpacks, mugs, stickers, and t-shirts... it's time to knock it out of the park.

Of course, Canadians wouldn't be able to buy them so I'd be really bummed. Well... not really actually.

Hahaha...the "Glorified" series - and you'd have to buy two.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2015

dudeman said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
it seems pretty obvious to me the reason that most shootings occur in gun free zones isn't because they are gun free zones, it's because those are the places that the perp has some problem with and/or can inflict maximum damage in minimum time.
Obviously they want to attack large crowds. Gun shows and NRA conventions attract large crowds. Why don't mass shootings happen there?

reread my last statement. that's why.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · October 2015

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
If Pearl Jam was smart, the 10C would sell guns.

Imagine the email coming out on the 10th announcing 9mm Smith & Wesson handguns. Limited edition of course.

Forget backpacks, mugs, stickers, and t-shirts... it's time to knock it out of the park.

Of course, Canadians wouldn't be able to buy them so I'd be really bummed. Well... not really actually.
Hahaha...the "Glorified" series - and you'd have to buy two.

Now we're getting somewhere.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2015

hedonist said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
If Pearl Jam was smart, the 10C would sell guns.

Imagine the email coming out on the 10th announcing 9mm Smith & Wesson handguns. Limited edition of course.

Forget backpacks, mugs, stickers, and t-shirts... it's time to knock it out of the park.

Of course, Canadians wouldn't be able to buy them so I'd be really bummed. Well... not really actually.
Hahaha...the "Glorified" series - and you'd have to buy two.

AWESOME!

"two per member only" LOL

dankind · October 2015

Must love God.

callen · October 2015

dudeman said:
By properly trained and qualified law abiding citizens....sure. I don't think it's coincidence that 92% of mass shootings occur in gun free zones.

I think lawful concealed carry should be allowed and if an institution wants to remain a gun free zone, they should ensure the safety of the people by employing armed personnel and conducting searches TSA-style.

Obviously, something needs to change.

These events are targeting schools that happen to be gun free zones. Flawed logic.

This line of thinking should seem preposterous but understand how great it sounds.

callen · October 2015

dudeman said:

PJ_Soul said:

dudeman said:
By properly trained and qualified law abiding citizens....sure. I don't think it's coincidence that 92% of mass shootings occur in gun free zones.

I think lawful concealed carry should be allowed and if an institution wants to remain a gun free zone, they should ensure the safety of the people by employing armed personnel and conducting searches TSA-style.

Obviously, something needs to change.
Obviously. But I don't see why adding guns has to be the change. I would suggest that the changes need to be about stopping the trend of mass shootings - figuring out why this is an American problem - and that would have absolutely nothing to do with adding guns to the equation.
The changes that are needed are social and cultural. Additional legislation is not going to miraculously end the struggle here. People have to stop wanting to kill each other. Since murder is clearly illegal and it still happens, what makes you think more laws are the answer?

So laws against murder don't work. Get that. So just say fk it and have everyone carry? Look at other western countries. There is a better way.

callen · October 2015

dudeman said:

HughFreakingDillon said:
it seems pretty obvious to me the reason that most shootings occur in gun free zones isn't because they are gun free zones, it's because those are the places that the perp has some problem with and/or can inflict maximum damage in minimum time.
Obviously they want to attack large crowds. Gun shows and NRA conventions attract large crowds. Why don't mass shootings happen there?

My biggest threat from being shot is venturing into the city, going to establishment and have someone attempt to rob the joint. It's the Rambo amateur fk with the gun "doing something about it" that's my fear.

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