America's Gun Violence

Yup.

You got multiple idiots incapable of navigating their way through a simple lane change without causing havoc and we are encouraging them to draw their weapons, discern the bad guys from the good guys, and successfully neutralize the threat (afterwards spinning their handgun on their trigger and blowing the smoke from their barrel)?

And if the bad guy gets the upper hand and wins the western showdown... what does he now do with me and mine? Does he just let us go so we can be witnesses to his crime of murder? Or does he figure f**k it... and take us out?

No thanks. I'll take my chances handing over my car keys or wallet without incident.

Gern Blansten said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Yup.

You got multiple idiots incapable of navigating their way through a simple lane change without causing havoc and we are encouraging them to draw their weapons, discern the bad guys from the good guys, and successfully neutralize the threat (afterwards spinning their handgun on their trigger and blowing the smoke from their barrel)?

And if the bad guy gets the upper hand and wins the western showdown... what does he now do with me and mine? Does he just let us go so we can be witnesses to his crime of murder? Or does he figure f**k it... and take us out?

No thanks. I'll take my chances handing over my car keys or wallet without incident.

Police Chiefs have made this argument for years. They don't want criminals carrying stronger weapons then the officers carry.

It will happen soon. A "good guy with a gun" is going to get killed by police due to confusion.

It's bound to happen or even worse a good guy mistakenly shooting another person thinking he or she is the threat. The Wild Wild West we do not live in anymore. Even if I had CAC weapon I would be hesitant to get involved unless the shooter is directly a threat to me and others around me. However, to go out and try to stop the threat.....NO THANK YOU.....let the professionals do what they do with their easy identifications.

Peace

mickeyrat said:

g under p said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/armed-vet-destroys-gun-nuts-argument-on-mass-shooters-by-explaining-why-he-didnt-attack-oregon-killer/

Perfect story that explains exactly why the "good guy without a gun" strategy is horribly flawed.

Imagine how many deaths would occur when police arrived if every other person had a gun. The confusion over who the "bad guy" is would be unreal.

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/armed-vet-destroys-gun-nuts-argument-on-mass-shooters-by-explaining-why-he-didnt-attack-oregon-killer/

Perfect story that explains exactly why the "good guy with a gun" strategy is horribly flawed.

Imagine how many deaths would occur when police arrived if every other person had a gun. The confusion over who the "bad guy" is would be unreal.

That story seems to have been overlooked. THIS will the next tragedy in one of the next mass shooting. A good guy with a gun mistakenly hurt or killed trying to save others. It's very difficult for first responders to tell who is who in the chaos of these mass shootings.

bbbrief article where a guy in Houston was being carjacked, he was shot and killed by a "good guy" with agun comeing to his rescue. The goood guy supposedly collected his brass and left the scene. Sho the victim in the head.

i posted an article about that the other day. a good guy with a gun 2nd amendments the person he was trying to save, then he fled the scene.

cue the 3 stooges theme song...

https://youtu.be/7OZIOE6aMBk

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Obama has been saying these incidents are becoming too routine too often.

Duh. We get that.

He made a fresh comparison for perspective's sake, but he has not provided the leadership necessary for
any meaningful change effort.

It's the Republicans who have shot him down every time he's tried. You are blaming the wrong person.

Even this is an over simplification. It's the South and parts of the west that hold this up even for the Democrats (though it would be mostly republican). A northeastern republican would not have the same issue getting re-elected on this issue as a southern democrat would. It's our system, and while extremely tragic I still wouldn't change it (the process not gun control which I'd change in a minute). Until the majority (and not based on media reports and flawed surveys) believe enoughs enough and that this is more important than other issues that they want heard, nothing will change.

It's part of the free election process which includes actually listening to the people who let you keep your job. If truly 90% of people wanted gun control over say protecting some other pet right or project, we'd have it.

mickeyrat said:

GREAT READ by a former Justice..... seriously, well worth the time . Intelligent, dispassionate and learned. Goes into history of rulings and what the amnedment was understood for so long to mean

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-five-extra-words-that-can-fix-the-second-amendment/2014/04/11/f8a19578-b8fa-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html?tid=sm_fb


excerpt for those not willing to walk through his set up and subsequent argument..

"As a result of the rulings in Heller and McDonald, the Second Amendment, which was adopted to protect the states from federal interference with their power to ensure that their militias were “well regulated,” has given federal judges the ultimate power to determine the validity of state regulations of both civilian and militia-related uses of arms. That anomalous result can be avoided by adding five words to the text of the Second Amendment to make it unambiguously conform to the original intent of its draftsmen. As so amended, it would read:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.” "

Justice John Paul Stevens

Had hoped for comment and ot opinion about what was written in the piece.

dudeman said:

mickeyrat said:

mickeyrat said:

GREAT READ by a former Justice..... seriously, well worth the time . Intelligent, dispassionate and learned. Goes into history of rulings and what the amnedment was understood for so long to mean

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-five-extra-words-that-can-fix-the-second-amendment/2014/04/11/f8a19578-b8fa-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html?tid=sm_fb


excerpt for those not willing to walk through his set up and subsequent argument..

"As a result of the rulings in Heller and McDonald, the Second Amendment, which was adopted to protect the states from federal interference with their power to ensure that their militias were “well regulated,” has given federal judges the ultimate power to determine the validity of state regulations of both civilian and militia-related uses of arms. That anomalous result can be avoided by adding five words to the text of the Second Amendment to make it unambiguously conform to the original intent of its draftsmen. As so amended, it would read:

“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms when serving in the Militia shall not be infringed.” "

Justice John Paul Stevens

Had hoped for comment and ot opinion about what was written in the piece.

What about those people who aren't physically fit or young enough to join a militia? Can senior citizens and those with physical disabilities still have guns for personal protection?

he explained in the article that would be up to an individual state.

Read the article.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/10/03/us/how-mass-shooters-got-their-guns.html

Redact that statement or this post is flagged.

Didn't your parents ever teach you that NOBODY likes a rat? I seriously can't believe you post what you post. Aren't you embarrassed about flagging posts and ratting people out? Damn dude, I'm embarrassed for you. You're the reason a lot of people don't post anymore cuz they all think you just sit at home and troll. You hate all religions (supposedly), you pretty much seem like a miserable person. Is there anything that makes you happy? Maybe if posted like you actually care about the issues instead poking people who post and then threaten them with flagging. Someone flagged my avatar pic of that little boy. I asked you 3 times in private if it was you and you never answered. Seeing this threat of flagging by you pretty much reassures my initial thoughts. Someone like you deserves everyone to hit the ignore button so you can talk to yourself on the forums. You really have nothing to add to the discussions. Trolling isn't really stimulating the mind for most. But prob for you.

Better redact this as well