The Echoes Of Ahmed's Clock In Muslim History
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see bullet point #1, from our own government.
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/12/09/3601209/cia-torture-report-findings/
1. Torture didn’t stop a single terrorist attack. “At no time did the CIA’s coercive interrogation techniques lead to the collection of imminent threat intelligence, such as the hypothetical ‘ticking time bomb’ information that many believe was the justification for the use of these techniques.”"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
"(CNN)The CIA's harsh interrogations of terrorist detainees during the Bush era didn't work, were more brutal than previously revealed and delivered no "ticking time bomb" information that prevented an attack, according to an explosive Senate report released Tuesday.
The majority report issued by the Senate Intelligence Committee is a damning condemnation of the tactics -- branded by critics as torture -- the George W. Bush administration deployed in the fear-laden days after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. The techniques, according to the report, were "deeply flawed," poorly managed and often resulted in "fabricated" information."
http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/09/politics/cia-torture-report/"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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"fear-laden days" exactly. Which makes people easily dispose of values, liberties, and freedoms.gimmesometruth27 said:"(CNN)The CIA's harsh interrogations of terrorist detainees during the Bush era didn't work, were more brutal than previously revealed and delivered no "ticking time bomb" information that prevented an attack, according to an explosive Senate report released Tuesday.
The majority report issued by the Senate Intelligence Committee is a damning condemnation of the tactics -- branded by critics as torture -- the George W. Bush administration deployed in the fear-laden days after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. The techniques, according to the report, were "deeply flawed," poorly managed and often resulted in "fabricated" information."
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Oh do I feel old! I remember when there was no metal detectors or security guards, meals were served on flights with real metal silverware, and us kids were given wings to pin on our shirts. We even got to view the cockpit once. On the first flight I ever took, ladies and girls wore dresses, men wore suits and ties and boys wore ties and polished Buster Brown shoes.pjhawks said:
well the average american citizen is not brown so uhh try again?brianlux said:
Interesting question. I came up with:pjhawks said:
why? some people rather feel safe than let every person do whatever the hell they want. without rules there is anarchy..Go Beavers said:
People willing to give up their rights out of fear is what I have a big issue with.Last-12-Exit said:
His rights were trampled? Yea. Poor kid.Go Beavers said:
I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.
http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
Peace
and what can't the average american do today that they would legally do 10-20 years ago? what have we given up when you refer to giving up certain rights?
-Be brown and get on a commercial plane without an invasive body search.
-Be anybody and get on a commercial plane without a lot of hassle.
- Be anonymous
-Be brown, black, red or yellow and take a home made clock to school.
-Take LSD
is not taking off your shoes and belt a right? and is it worth complaining about? Before 2001 you still had to go through a metal detector at the airport. it really isn't all that much different."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
Don't forget it was like a flying ashtray and we were being served by hot chicks in skirts and little hats.aka sky whoresbrianlux said:
Oh do I feel old! I remember when there was no metal detectors or security guards, meals were served on flights with real metal silverware, and us kids were given wings to pin on our shirts. We even got to view the cockpit once. On the first flight I ever took, ladies and girls wore dresses, men wore suits and ties and boys wore ties and polished Buster Brown shoes.pjhawks said:
well the average american citizen is not brown so uhh try again?brianlux said:
Interesting question. I came up with:pjhawks said:
why? some people rather feel safe than let every person do whatever the hell they want. without rules there is anarchy..Go Beavers said:
People willing to give up their rights out of fear is what I have a big issue with.Last-12-Exit said:
His rights were trampled? Yea. Poor kid.Go Beavers said:
I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
Peace
and what can't the average american do today that they would legally do 10-20 years ago? what have we given up when you refer to giving up certain rights?
-Be brown and get on a commercial plane without an invasive body search.
-Be anybody and get on a commercial plane without a lot of hassle.
- Be anonymous
-Be brown, black, red or yellow and take a home made clock to school.
-Take LSD
is not taking off your shoes and belt a right? and is it worth complaining about? Before 2001 you still had to go through a metal detector at the airport. it really isn't all that much different.0 -
Good for the world to criticize religion. This thread is about religion. Many issues on this board are about religion. Realize it challenges your beliefs. Good.JUST A GIRL said:
WHERE????? I beg you to show me where I've attacked people's religions. Go ahead, I'll wait. I know I have not. Again good try tho!badbrains said:
You already have, a few times.JUST A GIRL said:
Not you. What you're resorting to is pathetic.badbrains said:
Wait, WHAT? Are you calling me pathetic? Might have to flag that personal comment.JUST A GIRL said:
Pathetic. You accuse me, yet when I tell you you're dead wrong, instead of admitting fault, or, trying to clear the air, you insult me.badbrains said:
And the illuminati?JUST A GIRL said:
Oh so now I'm accused of that? I didn't flag a single thing. Weren't you flagged over the photo? And since you bring that up, I didn't even know you were flagged for personally attacking me. But if you didn't, you wouldn't worry about who was flagging what. Right?badbrains said:
Really? Then who flagged my comment about you being weird? (Just asking a question Kat, NOT calling her weird again)? Because I've been around for a long time and know just about everyone who posts on amt. I don't get along with them all but I'm positive the ones I don't would never flag anything I post.JUST A GIRL said:
I didn't realize your $20 membership was more important than mine. Don't worry, I've been bullied, attacked, my religion shit on, and I've yet to flag anything. So feel free to rip me apart, everyone else does and doesn't get in trouble. Seems like the fun new game. Give it a spin.rgambs said:
I think it is official now, JAG is a troll here with the purpose of riling us.hedonist said:
Seriously?JUST A GIRL said:I personally disagree with this. His dad was a known race baiter. He has had multiple incidents where he claimed racism for being Muslim.
I feel he knew exactly how everyone would react to a suitcase "clock" that resembles a suicide bomb more than anything else at all.
I agree he should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent. If the situation were reversed and he did actually bring a bomb, but nothing was done, then the school would have been ridiculed and berated to death over why they didn't do something to stop the situation.
So again, the kid being arrested I fully agree with. They should have brought in the whole family and had homeland security question and interrogate them all. Maybe some torture. Just to get to the root of the problem
Jesus.
There is no way that is not the case. I wish we could collectively "block" this child, I fear someone with real and valued input (myself included) will be banned for responding to this bridge-dweller.
You just might get that dopamine hit your body craves.
It's your own fault that happened for using dead children's photos for your own personal gain.
With that said, I didn't flag your photo or anything else for that matter. I was nowhere near that thread, because I didn't want to be fasley accused of something, yet here it is. Maybe you don't know the people here as well as you think you do. Or maybe it wasn't flagged at all, but you were in trouble for a personal attack?
I don't need links to back up how I feel about things. Google is out there. I saw the info about the dad on a news article. I didn't just make the shit up.
You accuse me of never answering questions, but who's answered mine?? What and how was the school supposed to react to ANYONE (regardless of race) bringing an item that looks like a bomb? That's why this is being diacussed. Not because he brought an item that looked like an fm am radio. It's a briefcase with wires hanging out in the same way a bomb is. What's wrong with the precautions?
And many many many Muslims were tortured under the patriot act in the name of freedom. They were tortured for intelligence on terrorist attacks. A child bringing a device that resembles a bomb should call for the same type of investigation as other potential terrorists, no? Maybe tourting is unchristian, which is why I don't do it. But I'm not against it, for freedom. Maybe they need to get the truth out, how ever necessary, throuhh torture or investigation, who cares? We don't care when it happens at Guantanamo bay. Why should we care if it happens In A school?
And you wonder why people (that aren't me) flagged you
You say I did something that I didn't. When I call it out that you're dead wrong, you insult me. That is what I said was pathetic. Can't even give credit for being wrong about it. Just more insults.
Is here where I throw in a remark about your religion in a snide and condensing matter? That's usually where they are in the posts directed at me10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
What's next grandpa? You going to tell us about when music came from round plastic things? Or how the phone was attached to the wall? Or when there was only 5 tv channels??brianlux said:
Oh do I feel old! I remember when there was no metal detectors or security guards, meals were served on flights with real metal silverware, and us kids were given wings to pin on our shirts. We even got to view the cockpit once. On the first flight I ever took, ladies and girls wore dresses, men wore suits and ties and boys wore ties and polished Buster Brown shoes.pjhawks said:
well the average american citizen is not brown so uhh try again?brianlux said:
Interesting question. I came up with:pjhawks said:
why? some people rather feel safe than let every person do whatever the hell they want. without rules there is anarchy..Go Beavers said:
People willing to give up their rights out of fear is what I have a big issue with.Last-12-Exit said:
His rights were trampled? Yea. Poor kid.Go Beavers said:
I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
Peace
and what can't the average american do today that they would legally do 10-20 years ago? what have we given up when you refer to giving up certain rights?
-Be brown and get on a commercial plane without an invasive body search.
-Be anybody and get on a commercial plane without a lot of hassle.
- Be anonymous
-Be brown, black, red or yellow and take a home made clock to school.
-Take LSD
is not taking off your shoes and belt a right? and is it worth complaining about? Before 2001 you still had to go through a metal detector at the airport. it really isn't all that much different.
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Gimme,I disagree.
I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations.
I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.0 -
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.rr165892 said:Gimme,I disagree.
I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations.
I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.0 -
More I believe BS when the evidence shows otherwise. It's becoming an epidemic on the AMTrr165892 said:Gimme,I disagree.
I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations.
I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.0 -
We have known for decades that the information we get out of torture is unreliable and unhelpful. Worse yet, torture interferes with other methods that may have a better chance at yielding useful information. Those who advocate torture as a means of obtaining intelligence have either not informed themselves of the research on this, or are simply cloaking a desire for revenge in apparently more respectable motives.
Just a couple of links on this:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/peteraldhous/torture-doesnt-work
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/8833108/Torture-is-not-wrong-it-just-doesnt-work-says-former-interrogator.htmlmy small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
studies ???? rr hit the nail on the head, we will never know what happens during interrogations only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks and most likely be cause of those interrogations.badbrains said:
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.rr165892 said:Gimme,I disagree.
I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations.
I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.
Godfather.
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WrongGodfather. said:
studies ???? rr hit the nail on the head, we will never know what happens during interrogations only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks and most likely be cause of those interrogations.badbrains said:
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.rr165892 said:Gimme,I disagree.
I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations.
I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.
Godfather.0 -
We know a fair amount about what happens during interrogation by torture. We know they don't work (see above). How do you know "only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks"?Godfather. said:
studies ???? rr hit the nail on the head, we will never know what happens during interrogations only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks and most likely be cause of those interrogations.badbrains said:
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.rr165892 said:Gimme,I disagree.
I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations.
I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.
Godfather.
Edit: clarification that I meant specifically torture, not any interrogationPost edited by oftenreading onmy small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
the only source any of us have.......the news.oftenreading said:
We know a fair amount about what happens during interrogations. We know they don't work (see above). How do you know "only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks"?Godfather. said:
studies ???? rr hit the nail on the head, we will never know what happens during interrogations only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks and most likely be cause of those interrogations.badbrains said:
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.rr165892 said:Gimme,I disagree.
I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations.
I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.
Godfather.
Godfather.
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But it feels goooood to torture those bastards.oftenreading said:
We know a fair amount about what happens during interrogation by torture. We know they don't work (see above). How do you know "only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks"?Godfather. said:
studies ???? rr hit the nail on the head, we will never know what happens during interrogations only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks and most likely be cause of those interrogations.badbrains said:
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.rr165892 said:Gimme,I disagree.
I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations.
I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.
Godfather.
Edit: clarification that I meant specifically torture, not any interrogation10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
Ah. Well, there's your problem right there.Godfather. said:
the only source any of us have.......the news.oftenreading said:
We know a fair amount about what happens during interrogations. We know they don't work (see above). How do you know "only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks"?Godfather. said:
studies ???? rr hit the nail on the head, we will never know what happens during interrogations only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks and most likely be cause of those interrogations.badbrains said:
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.rr165892 said:Gimme,I disagree.
I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations.
I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.
Godfather.
Godfather.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
where does your info come from ?oftenreading said:
Ah. Well, there's your problem right there.Godfather. said:
the only source any of us have.......the news.oftenreading said:
We know a fair amount about what happens during interrogations. We know they don't work (see above). How do you know "only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks"?Godfather. said:
studies ???? rr hit the nail on the head, we will never know what happens during interrogations only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks and most likely be cause of those interrogations.badbrains said:
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.rr165892 said:Gimme,I disagree.
I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations.
I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.
Godfather.
Godfather.
Godfather.
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News, science, logic and an educated mind. Where does yours come from?Godfather. said:
where does your info come from ?oftenreading said:
Ah. Well, there's your problem right there.Godfather. said:
the only source any of us have.......the news.oftenreading said:
We know a fair amount about what happens during interrogations. We know they don't work (see above). How do you know "only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks"?Godfather. said:
studies ???? rr hit the nail on the head, we will never know what happens during interrogations only that we have avoided many terrorist attacks and most likely be cause of those interrogations.badbrains said:
Sorry RR, couldn't disagree with you more. It NEVER works. Let me water board you for 2 mins and you'll tell me anything I want to hear or anything I can make up to get you to stop. It NEVER works and studies have shown.rr165892 said:Gimme,I disagree.
I think that "torture" or physical questioning has on many occasions provided working Intel.Not a lot would be made public.But you can bet your ass,not only within active hot zones ,but also all through all the placesblack ops conduct clandestine operations.
I've never been one to advocate for cruelty,but I do think there is a time and place where it becomes a necessity.Sad truth.It happens a lot more then any of us hear about.
Godfather.
Godfather.
Godfather.0
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