The Echoes Of Ahmed's Clock In Muslim History

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

g under p said:

Who Princess said:

I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.

g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.

Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....

http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4

Peace

spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.

I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up after

I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.

His rights were trampled? Yea. Poor kid.

People willing to give up their rights out of fear is what I have a big issue with.

why? some people rather feel safe than let every person do whatever the hell they want. without rules there is anarchy..

and what can't the average american do today that they would legally do 10-20 years ago? what have we given up when you refer to giving up certain rights?

JUST A GIRL said:

I personally disagree with this. His dad was a known race baiter. He has had multiple incidents where he claimed racism for being Muslim.

I feel he knew exactly how everyone would react to a suitcase "clock" that resembles a suicide bomb more than anything else at all.

I agree he should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent. If the situation were reversed and he did actually bring a bomb, but nothing was done, then the school would have been ridiculed and berated to death over why they didn't do something to stop the situation.

So again, the kid being arrested I fully agree with. They should have brought in the whole family and had homeland security question and interrogate them all. Maybe some torture. Just to get to the root of the problem

JUST A GIRL said:

I personally disagree with this. His dad was a known race baiter. He has had multiple incidents where he claimed racism for being Muslim.

I feel he knew exactly how everyone would react to a suitcase "clock" that resembles a suicide bomb more than anything else at all.

I agree he should have been prosecuted to the fullest extent. If the situation were reversed and he did actually bring a bomb, but nothing was done, then the school would have been ridiculed and berated to death over why they didn't do something to stop the situation.

So again, the kid being arrested I fully agree with. They should have brought in the whole family and had homeland security question and interrogate them all. Maybe some torture. Just to get to the root of the problem

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

pjhawks said:

Go Beavers said:

Last-12-Exit said:

Go Beavers said:

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

g under p said:

Who Princess said:

I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.

g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.

Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....

http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4

Peace

spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.

I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up after

I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.

His rights were trampled? Yea. Poor kid.

People willing to give up their rights out of fear is what I have a big issue with.

why? some people rather feel safe than let every person do whatever the hell they want. without rules there is anarchy..

and what can't the average american do today that they would legally do 10-20 years ago? what have we given up when you refer to giving up certain rights?

Why? Because people are giving up rights for only perceived safety, not actual safety. People are being manipulated by politicians pushing a message of fear ("it could happen") and the result if things like the Patriot Act. The violation of constitutional rights happen on a more individual basis, so it's easy for people to rationalize it away when it happens to someone else. People are willing to give up on probable cause when the cops are stopping others.

so are you saying that someone (never mind a Muslim kid) bringing an electronic device into school without permission is not probable cause to look at the device and question the kid?

as much as you say politicians use fear the other side like yourself who use comments like 'giving up your rights' are doing just as much of the same. it's as much a rhetoric of fear as the other side. some are trying to make it seem like the average American has given up a bunch of their rights...and it's just not true. the average american's life has not been changed by the Patriot Act at all.

hedonist said:

I (and many others here) are capable of responding a non-ban-worthy manner

By the way, I did a quick search about the supposed "race baiting" on Ahmed's father's part but couldn't find anything.