The Echoes Of Ahmed's Clock In Muslim History
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Absolutely! And the ace of spades clothed pinned into the spokes!Bentleyspop said:
Is that a Schwinn Stingray with the apehangers and banana seat?brianlux said:Question (and let's be honest here): If the clock had been brought to this school, this class by a blonde haired, blue eyed scrawny little white girl who rides a pink Schwinn to school, would she have been cuffed? Would the cops have been called? Would we be talking about this?
(Yeah, I know, that was three questions
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Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.
http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
PeacePost edited by g under p on*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
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I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
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Even after it's determined it's not a bomb, so therefore you're not a suspected bomb maker. Pretty sure you can't.Last-12-Exit said:
If you are a suspected bomb maker you can't be handcuffed? I'm pretty sure you can.Go Beavers said:
His rights weren't violated? I didn't know you could be handcuffed and detained for doing something that's not illegal.Last-12-Exit said:
And by the people throwing the biggest fits about this kids rights being violated. They clearly were not.Go Beavers said:
All sides? No. An overreaction by the school staff and the cops. When is Texas seceding again?Last-12-Exit said:An over reaction, by all sides.
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I just hope that the other poor muslim guy that Maher brought attention to in this video is allright.
By the way have you ever seen the inside of a toaster? Yep, looks like a toaster to me.
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I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
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.Go Beavers said:
I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
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THAT is a toaster?? Are you sure that's not one of those 3-D Printer toasters?PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
I just hope that the other poor muslim guy that Maher brought attention to in this video is allright.
By the way have you ever seen the inside of a toaster? Yep, looks like a toaster to me.
Re other posts above: OK, some points made by Maher worth considering but, really, handcuffs?"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
what rights were trampled? the authorities have a right to handcuff you and question you when something suspicious occurs. the kids rights weren't trampled. of course it was stupid to handcuff the kid but it wasn't something the police weren't allowed to do.Go Beavers said:
I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
Peace
as for his comments on Muslims he mostly refers to terrorism and wasn't referring to just in school violence. week to week he often talks about how the Muslim religion promotes a culture of violence like his mention of that one guy. they are going to behead the guy for religious reasons.0 -
Yes http://www.circuitben.net/node/5brianlux said:
THAT is a toaster??PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
I just hope that the other poor muslim guy that Maher brought attention to in this video is allright.
By the way have you ever seen the inside of a toaster? Yep, looks like a toaster to me.
edit - or maybe it is just something to do with a toaster,
either way I call it a toasterPost edited by PJfanwillneverleave1 on0 -
It was already determined that it wasn't a bomb, so nothing suspicious has occurred. If I leave a backpack in a public space, and someone calls the cops and the cops come and open the backpack and see there's no bomb in it, they do not have the right to cuff and detain me. And Maher should know the real problem is fundamentalism. Fundamentalism takes many forms, religious and otherwise. Based on this and his hairstyle, I see he's taken a back slide.pjhawks said:
what rights were trampled? the authorities have a right to handcuff you and question you when something suspicious occurs. the kids rights weren't trampled. of course it was stupid to handcuff the kid but it wasn't something the police weren't allowed to do.Go Beavers said:
I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
Peace
as for his comments on Muslims he mostly refers to terrorism and wasn't referring to just in school violence. week to week he often talks about how the Muslim religion promotes a culture of violence like his mention of that one guy. they are going to behead the guy for religious reasons.0 -
Toaster it is!PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Yes http://www.circuitben.net/node/5brianlux said:
THAT is a toaster??PJfanwillneverleave1 said:^^^
I just hope that the other poor muslim guy that Maher brought attention to in this video is allright.
By the way have you ever seen the inside of a toaster? Yep, looks like a toaster to me.
edit - or maybe it is just something to do with a toaster,
either way I call it a toaster
That what I keep coming back to - the cuffs. This little scrawny brainy kid in cuffs. Good grief!Go Beavers said:
It was already determined that it wasn't a bomb, so nothing suspicious has occurred. If I leave a backpack in a public space, and someone calls the cops and the cops come and open the backpack and see there's no bomb in it, they do not have the right to cuff and detain me. And Maher should know the real problem is fundamentalism. Fundamentalism takes many forms, religious and otherwise. Based on this and his hairstyle, I see he's taken a back slide.pjhawks said:
what rights were trampled? the authorities have a right to handcuff you and question you when something suspicious occurs. the kids rights weren't trampled. of course it was stupid to handcuff the kid but it wasn't something the police weren't allowed to do.Go Beavers said:
I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
Peace
as for his comments on Muslims he mostly refers to terrorism and wasn't referring to just in school violence. week to week he often talks about how the Muslim religion promotes a culture of violence like his mention of that one guy. they are going to behead the guy for religious reasons."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
As we move forward learning about this issue of the building of Ahmed's clock it's best to see ALL SIDES. Here we have a side that believes that Ahmed's clock is all a fraud, please give it a read....
I guess Richard Dawkins has as much of a problem with clockmakers as watchmakers. I'm not sure where Ahmed said he *invented* this clock or a clock.
You must click on the link for special Richard Dawkins Twitter content....
The hallowed Richard Dawkins has exposed the Truth to all of us ignorami: Ahmed Mohamed, the 14-year-old science buff and American Muslim of Sudanese descent who was arrested for bringing a homemade clock to school to show off to his teachers, may have actually wanted to be arrested. This could all be part of an elaborate (Muslim) conspiracy, Dawkins assures us.
Dawkins, a self-professed “anti-theist” who maintains religion is the “root of all evil”—that is to say an anti-religious fundamentalist—took to Twitter to condemn the young boy for having the temerity to say he “invented” a clock.
“Disassembling & reassembling is great. But you shouldn’t then claim it was your ‘invention’,” Dawkins avers. Ahmed “disassembled & reassembled a clock (which is fine) & then claimed it was his ‘invention’ (which is fraud),” Dawkins adds. He subsequently reiterates the charge of “fraud.”
After being called out for accusing a pubescent child of fraud, Dawkins graciously acknowledges “OK, fraudulent claiming of an ‘invention’ is not heinous.” The 74-year-old evolutionary biologist still however proceeds to rail against the fledgling engineer 60 years young than him.
Dawkins promptly uses scare quotes to refer to the 14-year-old child as a “kid,” calling into doubt the sincerity of his youth.
He then implies the young boy’s clock “looks like [a] hoax,” because Ahmed may have used a preexisting device to make it.
“Assembling clock from bought components is fine. Taking clock out of its case to make it look as if he built it is not fine. Which is true?” Dawkins questions. (How dare a 14-year-old not build a clock from scratch! Something larger and more iniquitous must clearly be afoot!)
Dawkins then posts a video titled “Ahmed Mohammed Clock is a FRAUD,” commenting “If this is true, what was his motive?” and adding that Ahmed may have “wanted the police the to arrest him.”
When asked “what do you think Ahmed’s motives were?” Dawkins replies “Possibly wanted to be arrested? Police played into his hands? Anyway, now invited to White House, crowdfunded etc.”
In other words, Dawkins speculates the 14-year-old boy may have planned this, because Ahmed doubtless knew he would get invited to the White House—and not thrown in prison—in response, no question.
Going out on an precarious limb for a moment, Dawkins proceeds to dabble in the orientalist, suggesting that Ahmed Mohamed—who is American and speaks fluent English—may not “know the meaning of ‘invention'”—”although his English seems good,” Dawkins recognizes.
Later, Dawkins laments he felt he had been a “fool” for “jump[ing] on the bandwagon.”
Dawkins does concede that Ahmed “should most certainly NOT have been arrested, handcuffed etc.,” and he admits that, if the young boy had been white, “he would never have been arrested.”
“But his motives remain questionable” Dawkins still insists, referring to Ahmed.
In doing so, Dawkins has revealed himself to be a whole new breed of conspiracy theorist: The Ahmed Mohamed Truther.
Like 9/11 Truthers—who claim the US and/or Israeli governments planned the September 11 attacks—or Sandy Hook Truthers—who insist the December 2012 Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was a conspiracy—or a whole slew of other conspiracy-minded folks who choose the truthiness appellation, Dawkins the Clock Kid Truther is on to something the rest of us brainwashed sheeple can’t possibly imagine!
.....And don’t worry, Dawkins’ conspiracy has been corroborated by far-right conspiracy theorist kingpin Alex Jones’ Infowars, so we know it’s true!
http://bennorton.com/richard-dawkins-has-a-conspiracy-theory-clock-kid-ahmed-mohamed-wanted-to-be-arrested/
While reading more into this clock making I came across this video demonstrating how his clock is a fraud. I still though I'm trying to figure out where this notion came that Ahmed invented this clock, I've ONLY heard him say he built this device....
http://youtu.be/CEmSwJTqpgY
PeacePost edited by g under p on*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)0 -
His rights were trampled? Yea. Poor kid.Go Beavers said:
I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
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People willing to give up their rights out of fear is what I have a big issue with.Last-12-Exit said:
His rights were trampled? Yea. Poor kid.Go Beavers said:
I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
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Taking precautions is not a good thing?Go Beavers said:
People willing to give up their rights out of fear is what I have a big issue with.Last-12-Exit said:
His rights were trampled? Yea. Poor kid.Go Beavers said:
I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
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why? some people rather feel safe than let every person do whatever the hell they want. without rules there is anarchy..Go Beavers said:
People willing to give up their rights out of fear is what I have a big issue with.Last-12-Exit said:
His rights were trampled? Yea. Poor kid.Go Beavers said:
I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
Peace
and what can't the average american do today that they would legally do 10-20 years ago? what have we given up when you refer to giving up certain rights?
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Interesting question. I came up with:pjhawks said:
why? some people rather feel safe than let every person do whatever the hell they want. without rules there is anarchy..Go Beavers said:
People willing to give up their rights out of fear is what I have a big issue with.Last-12-Exit said:
His rights were trampled? Yea. Poor kid.Go Beavers said:
I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
Peace
and what can't the average american do today that they would legally do 10-20 years ago? what have we given up when you refer to giving up certain rights?
-Be brown and get on a commercial plane without an invasive body search.
-Be anybody and get on a commercial plane without a lot of hassle.
- Be anonymous
-Be brown, black, red or yellow and take a home made clock to school.
-Take LSD
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well the average american citizen is not brown so uhh try again?brianlux said:
Interesting question. I came up with:pjhawks said:
why? some people rather feel safe than let every person do whatever the hell they want. without rules there is anarchy..Go Beavers said:
People willing to give up their rights out of fear is what I have a big issue with.Last-12-Exit said:
His rights were trampled? Yea. Poor kid.Go Beavers said:
I haven't heard or watched Maher in several years, but I'm kind of surprised to see him take the position of excuse making and sympathy for authority when someone's rights are trampled. He seems like someone who's aware that it's primarily white kids killing people at school, but then saying that 'well of course they're worried because Muslims blow people up' line. I always thought he was more thoughtful than that.Cliffy6745 said:
I don't know why people can't understand this. It's all or nothing in this country. I would hope and pray that if I my kid was in a school and any teacher in the school had even the smallest inclination that there was a bomb that they would say something. And go figure, the Texas authorities fucked it up afterpjhawks said:
spot on. Maher is correct. and the people complaining would they feel the same way if a muslim kid brought a clock like that into their child's school and the teachers did nothing? clearly the kid shouldn't have been put in handcuffs but the teacher did the right thing.g under p said:
Thanks Who Princess for your info from down your way. Let's hope he can get back in school to continue his education. Here's Bill Maher's take on all this and I liked what Chris Mathews had to say....Who Princess said:I live about 25 miles from Irving, TX, where this took place. It's a bedroom community of Dallas, I think maybe 200K people. Lots of local coverage of Ahmed's arrest, as you can imagine. I think one of the more interesting things I've learned is that It's very common for the Irving school district to call the police to intervene on disciplinary matters. The Irving P.D. is scrambling right now to do damage control and stress that he isn't being charged with anything, but the school district stood by their decision to suspend him for 3 days. The principal sent home a letter to parents on the day of the arrest touting how they had averted a possible threat. Now the district is making it known that since Ahmed doesn't want to return to that school, he'll be welcome at one of the other high schools. Even our ultra conservative governor has said that it was an overreach to arrest the boy. I'm curious to see the next events and also hoping this kid soon gets to go back to being a kid.
g under p, thanks for your post. I'm only slightly aware of the contributions to math, science, astronomy, among others, that came out of the Middle East. I know that if it weren't for our system of Arabic numerals, we might all be trying to do long division with Roman numerals.http://youtu.be/aGit-XltUB4
Peace
and what can't the average american do today that they would legally do 10-20 years ago? what have we given up when you refer to giving up certain rights?
-Be brown and get on a commercial plane without an invasive body search.
-Be anybody and get on a commercial plane without a lot of hassle.
- Be anonymous
-Be brown, black, red or yellow and take a home made clock to school.
-Take LSD
is not taking off your shoes and belt a right? and is it worth complaining about? Before 2001 you still had to go through a metal detector at the airport. it really isn't all that much different.0
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