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Where's the "hate?" Legitimate criticism of Dick, and he's a big one, Cheney is spewing hate? Welcome to China, comrade.rr165892 said:Haha,you guys crack me up.
For a group of people who are all about peace and love and inclusion.You sure do spew a lot of hate toward conservatives and republicans.
You do realize that makes you half of the fucking problem right.
If you sit back and look at your partisan rhetoric from and outsiders view,you would see how hypocritical it looks.But hey,it's a free country.Carry on do no wrong super Dems.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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You mean like child labor laws,work place safety regulations and the emergence of unions that came lock step with the industrial revolution?
Your right my bearded friend,I am not a studied historian of the economic building blocks of this country,My knowledge is not on par with those of you who spent years studying the nuisances of where some of what we practice today had its roots.I never claim more,although I do love those shows on Nat Geo,History,etc..lol
But my prospective is from the buisness side of things as you know.I deal with SS issues,wage issues,not much Union stuff because we are a right to work state,insurance protocols and about a zillion other laws and regs We have to navigate all the time.
you kinda missed my point.I wasn't arguing about where those improvements came from,I'm acknowledging.My point is it is part of now a bigger more complex capitalistic society that would not benefit from more socialist ideas.It would not help us move forward.Imo it's the last thing we need.0 -
Not just this thread,there is dozens of others.Halifax2TheMax said:
Where's the "hate?" Legitimate criticism of Dick, and he's a big one, Cheney is spewing hate? Welcome to China, comrade.rr165892 said:Haha,you guys crack me up.
For a group of people who are all about peace and love and inclusion.You sure do spew a lot of hate toward conservatives and republicans.
You do realize that makes you half of the fucking problem right.
If you sit back and look at your partisan rhetoric from and outsiders view,you would see how hypocritical it looks.But hey,it's a free country.Carry on do no wrong super Dems.0 -
Sanders is no independent.The reason he dosent always follow the Dems is because he is much farther left.He makes Hillary look like a neo con.RiotZact said:
Wait I'm confused, you're first criticizing the majority of people on here for siding with the democrats all the time and not thinking independently, then you also criticize us for wanting to vote for someone that is an independent and often disagrees with the majority of democrats?rr165892 said:
And aren't you guys all pulling for a fucking self proclaimed socialist this election? Good Grief.Im glad no communists are running.0 -
Mickey,Your saying the same thing I did.Just in a different waymickeyrat said:
ummmm, prt of the capitalist fabirc sure, but not by choice or own idea.rr165892 said:No,no,no.Gambsy
Yes we have those things, but the are part of capitalistic fabric.Of course some social programs have there roots in other political systems but We are already over regulated.Almost everything you mentioned above I get to face daily.Some are common sense,some are the right thing and some well.........?0 -
No no no. The history of workers rights has been a fight, nothing was ever given. Concessions were only made when things were pushed to the very brink of chaos.rr165892 said:You mean like child labor laws,work place safety regulations and the emergence of unions that came lock step with the industrial revolution?
Your right my bearded friend,I am not a studied historian of the economic building blocks of this country,My knowledge is not on par with those of you who spent years studying the nuisances of where some of what we practice today had its roots.I never claim more,although I do love those shows on Nat Geo,History,etc..lol
But my prospective is from the buisness side of things as you know.I deal with SS issues,wage issues,not much Union stuff because we are a right to work state,insurance protocols and about a zillion other laws and regs We have to navigate all the time.
you kinda missed my point.I wasn't arguing about where those improvements came from,I'm acknowledging.My point is it is part of now a bigger more complex capitalistic society that would not benefit from more socialist ideas.It would not help us move forward.Imo it's the last thing we need.
I understand that navigating a business is difficult, but it is difficult because of the excesses of capitalism, which forced the socialist changes.
The middle class didn't even exist until socialism came on the scene, and ever since Milton Friedman jerked the .01% off the middle class has been shrinking.
That is bad economics, the people need to have spending power, and the forces of capitalism seek to prevent that.
Anyways, this is the Iran Deal thread lolMonkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Wait, you know he's literally an independent right? He just caucuses with the dems. He's the longest running independent member of congress. What makes him independent is irrelevant to my point.rr165892 said:
Sanders is no independent.The reason he dosent always follow the Dems is because he is much farther left.He makes Hillary look like a neo con.RiotZact said:
Wait I'm confused, you're first criticizing the majority of people on here for siding with the democrats all the time and not thinking independently, then you also criticize us for wanting to vote for someone that is an independent and often disagrees with the majority of democrats?rr165892 said:
And aren't you guys all pulling for a fucking self proclaimed socialist this election? Good Grief.Im glad no communists are running.
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hillary is a neocon.rr165892 said:
Sanders is no independent.The reason he dosent always follow the Dems is because he is much farther left.He makes Hillary look like a neo con.RiotZact said:
Wait I'm confused, you're first criticizing the majority of people on here for siding with the democrats all the time and not thinking independently, then you also criticize us for wanting to vote for someone that is an independent and often disagrees with the majority of democrats?rr165892 said:
And aren't you guys all pulling for a fucking self proclaimed socialist this election? Good Grief.Im glad no communists are running.
votes for war, votes for patriot act, etc etc.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
yup. the new boss will be the same as the old boss....who was the same as the boss before him. I know you don't feel that way about obama on all issues, but as far as foreign policy goes, subtle differences are not enough.gimmesometruth27 said:
hillary is a neocon.rr165892 said:
Sanders is no independent.The reason he dosent always follow the Dems is because he is much farther left.He makes Hillary look like a neo con.RiotZact said:
Wait I'm confused, you're first criticizing the majority of people on here for siding with the democrats all the time and not thinking independently, then you also criticize us for wanting to vote for someone that is an independent and often disagrees with the majority of democrats?rr165892 said:
And aren't you guys all pulling for a fucking self proclaimed socialist this election? Good Grief.Im glad no communists are running.
votes for war, votes for patriot act, etc etc.
The Iran deal is a positive and I give Obama props for that, but I think it will only delay the inevitable.0 -
i don't think i would call war inevitable at this point. i think it is a good thing any time you can delay/prevent a war.Drowned Out said:
yup. the new boss will be the same as the old boss....who was the same as the boss before him. I know you don't feel that way about obama on all issues, but as far as foreign policy goes, subtle differences are not enough.gimmesometruth27 said:
hillary is a neocon.rr165892 said:
Sanders is no independent.The reason he dosent always follow the Dems is because he is much farther left.He makes Hillary look like a neo con.RiotZact said:
Wait I'm confused, you're first criticizing the majority of people on here for siding with the democrats all the time and not thinking independently, then you also criticize us for wanting to vote for someone that is an independent and often disagrees with the majority of democrats?rr165892 said:
And aren't you guys all pulling for a fucking self proclaimed socialist this election? Good Grief.Im glad no communists are running.
votes for war, votes for patriot act, etc etc.
The Iran deal is a positive and I give Obama props for that, but I think it will only delay the inevitable.
hillary is sinking in the polls. sanders is significantly ahead in early primary states, and he is polling better than most republicans. bernie did not vote for war, so that is a start at least."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Absolutely, delaying war is a good thing. I hope that continues. But I hope it's not just a matter of delaying for the sake of being better prepared and to allow more time for Iran's allies to be taken out or weakened first.gimmesometruth27 said:
i don't think i would call war inevitable at this point. i think it is a good thing any time you can delay/prevent a war.Drowned Out said:
yup. the new boss will be the same as the old boss....who was the same as the boss before him. I know you don't feel that way about obama on all issues, but as far as foreign policy goes, subtle differences are not enough.gimmesometruth27 said:
hillary is a neocon.rr165892 said:
Sanders is no independent.The reason he dosent always follow the Dems is because he is much farther left.He makes Hillary look like a neo con.RiotZact said:
Wait I'm confused, you're first criticizing the majority of people on here for siding with the democrats all the time and not thinking independently, then you also criticize us for wanting to vote for someone that is an independent and often disagrees with the majority of democrats?rr165892 said:
And aren't you guys all pulling for a fucking self proclaimed socialist this election? Good Grief.Im glad no communists are running.
votes for war, votes for patriot act, etc etc.
The Iran deal is a positive and I give Obama props for that, but I think it will only delay the inevitable.
hillary is sinking in the polls. sanders is significantly ahead in early primary states, and he is polling better than most republicans. bernie did not vote for war, so that is a start at least.
Fingers are crossed for Bernie...I like his stance on most issues. I wish I had more faith that he'll get the Dem nod.0 -
i think we will get sucked into this isis thing and syrian civil war before we ever have a chance for war with iran. we are already fighting a proxy war in syria, which if we are not careful will put us on a collision course with russia. i think this can be averted by electing sanders. hillary will proceed with a war so she does not appear "weak", and the republican field is too stupid and too confident in their own ignorance that they will actually hasten a war.Drowned Out said:
Absolutely, delaying war is a good thing. I hope that continues. But I hope it's not just a matter of delaying for the sake of being better prepared and to allow more time for Iran's allies to be taken out or weakened first.gimmesometruth27 said:
i don't think i would call war inevitable at this point. i think it is a good thing any time you can delay/prevent a war.Drowned Out said:
yup. the new boss will be the same as the old boss....who was the same as the boss before him. I know you don't feel that way about obama on all issues, but as far as foreign policy goes, subtle differences are not enough.gimmesometruth27 said:
hillary is a neocon.rr165892 said:
Sanders is no independent.The reason he dosent always follow the Dems is because he is much farther left.He makes Hillary look like a neo con.RiotZact said:
Wait I'm confused, you're first criticizing the majority of people on here for siding with the democrats all the time and not thinking independently, then you also criticize us for wanting to vote for someone that is an independent and often disagrees with the majority of democrats?rr165892 said:
And aren't you guys all pulling for a fucking self proclaimed socialist this election? Good Grief.Im glad no communists are running.
votes for war, votes for patriot act, etc etc.
The Iran deal is a positive and I give Obama props for that, but I think it will only delay the inevitable.
hillary is sinking in the polls. sanders is significantly ahead in early primary states, and he is polling better than most republicans. bernie did not vote for war, so that is a start at least.
Fingers are crossed for Bernie...I like his stance on most issues. I wish I had more faith that he'll get the Dem nod."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
ya, that's already happening....and I agree, western involvement will only increase in the coming months and years. I worry that the sudden huge coverage of the refugee crisis could signal the beginning of that...and I also worry that the cultural wedge being driven by the coverage and ensuing debate will be the catalyst for massive worldwide unrest following the next terror attack, wherever/whenever it may be, by whomever is responsible....which will in turn increase support for more war in the middle east, and limitations to personal freedom at home. The world is getting scarier by the day, despite initiatives like this deal. There is a lot of prep work going on in both Russia and NATO states for full scale war right now.gimmesometruth27 said:
i think we will get sucked into this isis thing and syrian civil war before we ever have a chance for war with iran. we are already fighting a proxy war in syria, which if we are not careful will put us on a collision course with russia. i think this can be averted by electing sanders. hillary will proceed with a war so she does not appear "weak", and the republican field is too stupid and too confident in their own ignorance that they will actually hasten a war.Drowned Out said:
Absolutely, delaying war is a good thing. I hope that continues. But I hope it's not just a matter of delaying for the sake of being better prepared and to allow more time for Iran's allies to be taken out or weakened first.gimmesometruth27 said:
i don't think i would call war inevitable at this point. i think it is a good thing any time you can delay/prevent a war.Drowned Out said:
yup. the new boss will be the same as the old boss....who was the same as the boss before him. I know you don't feel that way about obama on all issues, but as far as foreign policy goes, subtle differences are not enough.gimmesometruth27 said:
hillary is a neocon.rr165892 said:
Sanders is no independent.The reason he dosent always follow the Dems is because he is much farther left.He makes Hillary look like a neo con.RiotZact said:
Wait I'm confused, you're first criticizing the majority of people on here for siding with the democrats all the time and not thinking independently, then you also criticize us for wanting to vote for someone that is an independent and often disagrees with the majority of democrats?rr165892 said:
And aren't you guys all pulling for a fucking self proclaimed socialist this election? Good Grief.Im glad no communists are running.
votes for war, votes for patriot act, etc etc.
The Iran deal is a positive and I give Obama props for that, but I think it will only delay the inevitable.
hillary is sinking in the polls. sanders is significantly ahead in early primary states, and he is polling better than most republicans. bernie did not vote for war, so that is a start at least.
Fingers are crossed for Bernie...I like his stance on most issues. I wish I had more faith that he'll get the Dem nod.
More reason to support Sanders.0 -
i think the republicans are upset because this deal ties the hands of the next few presidents. not that the republicans will ever win the white house again, but still. they do not like the fact that this is an agreement between multiple nations. if their guy negotiated this deal they would be saying how great it is."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Good post,I feel a similar scenario will play out.(except for support for Sanders)Drowned Out said:
ya, that's already happening....and I agree, western involvement will only increase in the coming months and years. I worry that the sudden huge coverage of the refugee crisis could signal the beginning of that...and I also worry that the cultural wedge being driven by the coverage and ensuing debate will be the catalyst for massive worldwide unrest following the next terror attack, wherever/whenever it may be, by whomever is responsible....which will in turn increase support for more war in the middle east, and limitations to personal freedom at home. The world is getting scarier by the day, despite initiatives like this deal. There is a lot of prep work going on in both Russia and NATO states for full scale war right now.gimmesometruth27 said:
i think we will get sucked into this isis thing and syrian civil war before we ever have a chance for war with iran. we are already fighting a proxy war in syria, which if we are not careful will put us on a collision course with russia. i think this can be averted by electing sanders. hillary will proceed with a war so she does not appear "weak", and the republican field is too stupid and too confident in their own ignorance that they will actually hasten a war.Drowned Out said:
Absolutely, delaying war is a good thing. I hope that continues. But I hope it's not just a matter of delaying for the sake of being better prepared and to allow more time for Iran's allies to be taken out or weakened first.gimmesometruth27 said:
i don't think i would call war inevitable at this point. i think it is a good thing any time you can delay/prevent a war.Drowned Out said:
yup. the new boss will be the same as the old boss....who was the same as the boss before him. I know you don't feel that way about obama on all issues, but as far as foreign policy goes, subtle differences are not enough.gimmesometruth27 said:
hillary is a neocon.rr165892 said:
Sanders is no independent.The reason he dosent always follow the Dems is because he is much farther left.He makes Hillary look like a neo con.RiotZact said:
Wait I'm confused, you're first criticizing the majority of people on here for siding with the democrats all the time and not thinking independently, then you also criticize us for wanting to vote for someone that is an independent and often disagrees with the majority of democrats?rr165892 said:
And aren't you guys all pulling for a fucking self proclaimed socialist this election? Good Grief.Im glad no communists are running.
votes for war, votes for patriot act, etc etc.
The Iran deal is a positive and I give Obama props for that, but I think it will only delay the inevitable.
hillary is sinking in the polls. sanders is significantly ahead in early primary states, and he is polling better than most republicans. bernie did not vote for war, so that is a start at least.
Fingers are crossed for Bernie...I like his stance on most issues. I wish I had more faith that he'll get the Dem nod.
More reason to support Sanders.0 -
I don't know about republicans not getting back in. If it's Bernie against bush think bush wins. Bernie will be challenged getting minority vote and no huge help from women. If it's Clinton against bush, Bill wins. Lotsa Interns with less scrutiny.gimmesometruth27 said:i think the republicans are upset because this deal ties the hands of the next few presidents. not that the republicans will ever win the white house again, but still. they do not like the fact that this is an agreement between multiple nations. if their guy negotiated this deal they would be saying how great it is.
There are lotsa Christians whose realities are being challenged so they will be out in force to maintain the illusions. So call we get republican but not trump or homophobic surgeon. Bush will win.10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG0 -
Dont count Kasich out._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Is this a joke?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427619/state-department-iran-deal-not-legally-binding-signed
The state department says the deal isn't even a deal? What an absolute waste of time. Again this administration trying to give off the appearance that it is doing something when in actuality it is just doing nothing.0 -
Who's administration? Canada's?BS44325 said:Is this a joke?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/427619/state-department-iran-deal-not-legally-binding-signed
The state department says the deal isn't even a deal? What an absolute waste of time. Again this administration trying to give off the appearance that it is doing something when in actuality it is just doing nothing._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
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Btw it WAS in fact signed by the duly designated representative the iranian minister of foreign affairs. Same with every other party. Look it up.
Thanks for playing though._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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