Soundgarden & Pixies to play Israel

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  • cydonia
    cydonia Denbighshire, North Wales , UK Posts: 456
    VivaPalestina said:

    The big deal is...that Palestinian fans living in the West Bank and Gaza won't be able to attend. Are not allowed to attend, never mind a rock concert, what about just going to the place where your parents or grandparents are from, not allowed to pass the wall, because they have the wrong papers (edit: "wrong papers" meaning, that they are citizens of West Bank or Gaza, and not allowed into israel, for no other reason that they are Palestinian). The heritage and history of many Palestinians are on that land, and we can't go back, we are not allowed back, but Soundgarden and the Pixies will be singing and getting to enjoy a place that many of us can only see in pictures or hear about in stories.



    Shame on you pixies and soundgarden. Would they have played South Africa during Apartheid?

    Everyone's entitled to a good time, but if I was an artist I wouldn't play a concert in, Israel . Just watch the independent film ' the wall' and see how the Palestinians are treated its occupation. When the last Israel bombing of Israel was across the 'news' it angered me, women and children were in constant fear. If you play there without the indignity served to the Palestinians in the past the concert would have never been held. I'm disappointed in Soundgarden , read your history (chomskys good place to start) before playing in a war zone , where human rights are ignored .
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited August 2015
    Soundgarden and the Pixies rolled thru tel aviv just a couple weeks before operation protective edge began....(fancy way of saying 'the latest slaughter in gaza'....or....the latest mowing of the lawn, as some Israelis like to say). I wonder how they feel about that? I would suspect that Chris Cornell would stick to his guns...... Music as a bridge, right? Put a fork in that idea.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,077
    Drowned Out said:

    Soundgarden and the Pixies rolled thru tel aviv just a couple weeks before operation protective edge began....(fancy way of saying 'the latest slaughter in gaza'....or....the latest mowing of the lawn, as some Israelis like to say). I wonder how they feel about that? I would suspect that Chris Cornell would stick to his guns...... Music as a bridge, right? Put a fork in that idea.

    i don't think they thought twice about it. if they had considered what is happening in the region, they would have canceled the show.

    it sucks for me because i want to like cornell, but this is very hard for me to overlook and impossible to forgive.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Cornell,is half jewish.Im sure Israel is not an issue for him.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    rr165892 said:

    Cornell,is half jewish.Im sure Israel is not an issue for him.

    I'm fully Jewish and Israel is an issue for me :) don't mistake Jewish for Zionist - many of us can be one without the other.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    benjs said:

    rr165892 said:

    Cornell,is half jewish.Im sure Israel is not an issue for him.

    I'm fully Jewish and Israel is an issue for me :) don't mistake Jewish for Zionist - many of us can be one without the other.
    Well aware of the difference Ben.But I'm speaking more to the thinking of Israel as a homeland,not the political part of it.Regardless of the politics most Jews think fondly of Israel as a Nation.You included I imagine.
  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    It's only Rock n Roll…AND I LIKE IT. Luv to go to that show
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,448
    rr165892 said:

    benjs said:

    rr165892 said:

    Cornell,is half jewish.Im sure Israel is not an issue for him.

    I'm fully Jewish and Israel is an issue for me :) don't mistake Jewish for Zionist - many of us can be one without the other.
    Well aware of the difference Ben.But I'm speaking more to the thinking of Israel as a homeland,not the political part of it.Regardless of the politics most Jews think fondly of Israel as a Nation.You included I imagine.
    I don't think of Israel as a homeland any more or less than I do about Canada, to be honest. I think the idea of a homeland for any demographic is far more of a divisive danger than a secure comfort, even as a Jew talking about Israel. Having been twice in my lifetime with family prior to getting involved in the politics of Israel (most recently four years ago), both times I felt a tremendous discomfort about the experience, and the lack of being able to separate religion from its existence. Today, I wouldn't go back unless I had secured an opportunity to visit at least one of the occupied Palestinian territories. I truly believe that Jews around the world have never had more reservations about the value of Israel than they do today.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 25,077
    benjs said:

    rr165892 said:

    benjs said:

    rr165892 said:

    Cornell,is half jewish.Im sure Israel is not an issue for him.

    I'm fully Jewish and Israel is an issue for me :) don't mistake Jewish for Zionist - many of us can be one without the other.
    Well aware of the difference Ben.But I'm speaking more to the thinking of Israel as a homeland,not the political part of it.Regardless of the politics most Jews think fondly of Israel as a Nation.You included I imagine.
    I don't think of Israel as a homeland any more or less than I do about Canada, to be honest. I think the idea of a homeland for any demographic is far more of a divisive danger than a secure comfort, even as a Jew talking about Israel. Having been twice in my lifetime with family prior to getting involved in the politics of Israel (most recently four years ago), both times I felt a tremendous discomfort about the experience, and the lack of being able to separate religion from its existence. Today, I wouldn't go back unless I had secured an opportunity to visit at least one of the occupied Palestinian territories. I truly believe that Jews around the world have never had more reservations about the value of Israel than they do today.
    that is because it is impossible to separate the state of israel from jewish identity. this is the root of the entire conflict. how can you have a jewish state when there are muslims who are native to that state living right in the middle of it? how can you have peace when one group is using religious claims to expand settlements onto land that is not theirs?

    jews around the world SHOULD have reservations about the value of israel at this time. the likud party has done more harm to israel than just about anybody else. looking at is from the atheist side, the state of israel has less and less high ground to stand on as the likud government continues to rule.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    To your top point,that is also exactly what ISIS is doing.

    To your second part,I don't condon the actions of the Israeli Govt in many issues.Yes how they treat Palestinians is one of them.But make no mistake.Israels importance in the region is paramount to keeping balance in the Middle East.It must remain that way or the whole balance of the region will crumble.

    The Jews were also on that land since the beginning of time.It has never been an all Muslim enclave.Way I see it no one can say it's there's alone.It should be shared.But that is another discussion all together.
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    edited August 2015
    rr165892 said:

    To your top point,that is also exactly what ISIS is doing.

    To your second part,I don't condon the actions of the Israeli Govt in many issues.Yes how they treat Palestinians is one of them.But make no mistake.Israels importance in the region is paramount to keeping balance in the Middle East.It must remain that way or the whole balance of the region will crumble.

    The Jews were also on that land since the beginning of time.It has never been an all Muslim enclave.Way I see it no one can say it's there's alone.It should be shared.But that is another discussion all together.

    by balance to you mean imbalance?
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    No.I mean balance.Its checks and balances.Having a strong western ally in the region is most beneficial in that highly unstable region.
  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
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  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    rr165892 said:

    No.I mean balance.Its checks and balances.Having a strong western ally in the region is most beneficial in that highly unstable region.

    Beneficial to whom, us or the people of the region? By strong do you mean, like, able to defend themselves? Or like....nuclear dominant? Curious how you define the balance we're keeping....?
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Soundgarden and the Pixies rolled thru tel aviv just a couple weeks before operation protective edge began....(fancy way of saying 'the latest slaughter in gaza'....or....the latest mowing of the lawn, as some Israelis like to say). I wonder how they feel about that? I would suspect that Chris Cornell would stick to his guns...... Music as a bridge, right? Put a fork in that idea.

    i don't think they thought twice about it. if they had considered what is happening in the region, they would have canceled the show.

    it sucks for me because i want to like cornell, but this is very hard for me to overlook and impossible to forgive.
    As far as I've ever been able to tell from interviews, he has never addressed the occupation - he says he's always wanted to go there, has friends that have told him good things etc...I'm sure "i wont get dragged into the politics of it' is his official position. Which is his prerogative. But ignoring bds and playing israel opens him for speculation and judgement on this, as either uncaring of the politics (doesn't get him off the hook imo), or supportive of israel. Playing in Israel is a political act, whether artists want to admit it or not.
    I will always love Soundgarden's music, and will always consider audioslave a helluva band...but Cornell had already lost me when he cancelled a show to play that private function....and that one album, ugh. At least he didn't go all Perry Farrell. I loved Janes even more than Soundgarden, but the spirit of their music is ruined knowing what a dick he is...
  • muskydan
    muskydan Posts: 1,013
    Drowned Out said:

    rr165892 said:

    No.I mean balance.Its checks and balances.Having a strong western ally in the region is most beneficial in that highly unstable region.

    Beneficial to whom, us or the people of the region? By strong do you mean, like, able to defend themselves? Or like....nuclear dominant? Curious how you define the balance we're keeping....?
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Soundgarden and the Pixies rolled thru tel aviv just a couple weeks before operation protective edge began....(fancy way of saying 'the latest slaughter in gaza'....or....the latest mowing of the lawn, as some Israelis like to say). I wonder how they feel about that? I would suspect that Chris Cornell would stick to his guns...... Music as a bridge, right? Put a fork in that idea.

    i don't think they thought twice about it. if they had considered what is happening in the region, they would have canceled the show.

    it sucks for me because i want to like cornell, but this is very hard for me to overlook and impossible to forgive.
    As far as I've ever been able to tell from interviews, he has never addressed the occupation - he says he's always wanted to go there, has friends that have told him good things etc...I'm sure "i wont get dragged into the politics of it' is his official position. Which is his prerogative. But ignoring bds and playing israel opens him for speculation and judgement on this, as either uncaring of the politics (doesn't get him off the hook imo), or supportive of israel. Playing in Israel is a political act, whether artists want to admit it or not.
    I will always love Soundgarden's music, and will always consider audioslave a helluva band...but Cornell had already lost me when he cancelled a show to play that private function....and that one album, ugh. At least he didn't go all Perry Farrell. I loved Janes even more than Soundgarden, but the spirit of their music is ruined knowing what a dick he is...
    What am i missing??…why do you think Perry is a dick? Everytime I have been around the guy (the last 8 Lollapaloozas) he has been the most gracious rock star i have every been around. He is very very special...
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited August 2015
    muskydan said:

    Drowned Out said:

    rr165892 said:

    No.I mean balance.Its checks and balances.Having a strong western ally in the region is most beneficial in that highly unstable region.

    Beneficial to whom, us or the people of the region? By strong do you mean, like, able to defend themselves? Or like....nuclear dominant? Curious how you define the balance we're keeping....?
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    Drowned Out said:

    Soundgarden and the Pixies rolled thru tel aviv just a couple weeks before operation protective edge began....(fancy way of saying 'the latest slaughter in gaza'....or....the latest mowing of the lawn, as some Israelis like to say). I wonder how they feel about that? I would suspect that Chris Cornell would stick to his guns...... Music as a bridge, right? Put a fork in that idea.

    i don't think they thought twice about it. if they had considered what is happening in the region, they would have canceled the show.

    it sucks for me because i want to like cornell, but this is very hard for me to overlook and impossible to forgive.
    As far as I've ever been able to tell from interviews, he has never addressed the occupation - he says he's always wanted to go there, has friends that have told him good things etc...I'm sure "i wont get dragged into the politics of it' is his official position. Which is his prerogative. But ignoring bds and playing israel opens him for speculation and judgement on this, as either uncaring of the politics (doesn't get him off the hook imo), or supportive of israel. Playing in Israel is a political act, whether artists want to admit it or not.
    I will always love Soundgarden's music, and will always consider audioslave a helluva band...but Cornell had already lost me when he cancelled a show to play that private function....and that one album, ugh. At least he didn't go all Perry Farrell. I loved Janes even more than Soundgarden, but the spirit of their music is ruined knowing what a dick he is...
    What am i missing??…why do you think Perry is a dick? Everytime I have been around the guy (the last 8 Lollapaloozas) he has been the most gracious rock star i have every been around. He is very very special...
    I'm unclear exactly who the benefit was for - I've read it was for Israeli victims of terrorism, but Perry himself said he was raising money for IDF soldiers at the start of the gig. He later said "We've had a great week. Is everyone excited about the new president? I think we made our point in southern israel, and I think we were successful for the moment in getting the world's attention", before calling for a hasbara internet campaign explaining 'the jewish situation'....he ended his speech by saying 'we're out for peace, right? Demand it'. Kinda contrasts the whole 'great week - we made our point' statement, right? This was during the Gaza War btw, the mass slaughter before the latest one.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAmQE98wN3Q

    (AMT regs might recognize the first youtube commenter :wink: )

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