Hastert?

Halifax2TheMax
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    From what I've read and seen, this guy comes off as one huge stinky piece of shit. If allegations are true, let him do the time. Not because he's got some fucking letter beside his name but because he (allegedly!) fucked up big time.

    And either way - how is a person being a scumbag relegated to party? Why does this invariably get injected (and hard), instead of looking at a piece of shit for what it (excuse me, HE) is?

    There's no different whiff of the shit based on D or R or L or I....is there?

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    The fact that "Rev" Sharpton and the Jackson dude are less so-called bad doesn't absolve them of their falling way short of who they claim to be.

    I don't think anyone in these positions deserve a free ride in their actions or words.
  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    BS to go full apologist because he has an R next to his name and say "But they do it too!" in 3...2...1!

    It's not okay when anyone does what all of them have done.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Halifaxx, I didn't intend to go all this on you -

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    I get frustrated when those damn letters are practically branded on some and (mis)used to make a point. It's just silly to me and admittedly gets under my skin especially when tossed in for no valid reason but for affiliation - strange in itself, no?

    Judge (as we will, and do) on character and maybe actions, not letters.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662

    http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-hastert-misconduct-20150529-story.html

    "On Friday, federal law enforcement officials said Hastert had paid $1.7 million over the last four years to conceal sexual abuse against a former male student he knew during his days as a teacher in Yorkville, Ill., where Hastert worked until 1981."

    This kind of money concealing this kind of abuse? That says something fairly obvious right there.

    "On Friday, Hastert resigned from the board of the J. Dennis Hastert Center for Economics, Government and Public Policy at his alma mater, Wheaton College, a small, evangelical Christian college in the Chicago suburbs.
    The college respects Mr. Hastert's distinguished public service record and the due process being afforded him pursuant to the charges that have been filed against him, Wheaton officials said in a statement announcing his resignation."

    Is it me or does this sound like Wheaton is almost apologetic for this guys behaviors? Wheaton of all places?

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    well well well....

    i am waiting for fox news to come out and defend hastert. maybe the "feedom" defense fox always uses does not apply to sexual abuse? i mean, come on. hastert was free to choose this boy, right?

    gonna sit back and watch this one unfold. where is the popcorn smiley thing?
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,662
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    well well well....

    i am waiting for fox news to come out and defend hastert. maybe the "feedom" defense fox always uses does not apply to sexual abuse? i mean, come on. hastert was free to choose this boy, right?

    gonna sit back and watch this one unfold. where is the popcorn smiley thing?

    Right there with you buddy. Here you go:

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  • InHiding80
    InHiding80 Upland,CA Posts: 7,623
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    well well well....

    i am waiting for fox news to come out and defend hastert. maybe the "feedom" defense fox always uses does not apply to sexual abuse? i mean, come on. hastert was free to choose this boy, right?

    gonna sit back and watch this one unfold. where is the popcorn smiley thing?

    Speaking of which, that see you next Tuesday, Megyn Kelly, is gonna interview the Duggars this week. Watch the "Do as I say, not as I do" rethuglicans tapdance with their mental gymnastics on this one.

    And share Michael Jackson's popcorn with me as well. No salt, though.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    imagine the shitstorm if this had been pelosi or obama or biden or reid.

    could this situation explain why hastert was so soft on foley?
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,082
    InHiding80 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    well well well....

    i am waiting for fox news to come out and defend hastert. maybe the "feedom" defense fox always uses does not apply to sexual abuse? i mean, come on. hastert was free to choose this boy, right?

    gonna sit back and watch this one unfold. where is the popcorn smiley thing?

    Speaking of which, that see you next Tuesday, Megyn Kelly, is gonna interview the Duggars this week. Watch the "Do as I say, not as I do" rethuglicans tapdance with their mental gymnastics on this one.

    And share Michael Jackson's popcorn with me as well. No salt, though.
    this is going to be such a slowpitch softball game of an interview.

    i wonder why this family is going to do the interview on fox????

    fox will not ask them anything that they will be uncomfortable trying to answer.

    what a joke.
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  • mickeyrat
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    NOW can the House get rid of that asinine "Hastert rule"?
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Hmmmm always thought a good Christian upbringing would of made me less of a freak but guess not. Cool saved lots of dough by not tithing and buying preach a nice caddy. Phew.

    I knew some of the kids in Duggar family were going to bring this child abusing situation down. Ladies and gentlemen this is just the beginning. Just watch

    Would laugh but it's too sad.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    And Hastert. Not surprised.

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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    callen said:

    Hmmmm always thought a good Christian upbringing would of made me less of a freak but guess not. Cool saved lots of dough by not tithing and buying preach a nice caddy. Phew.

    I knew some of the kids in Duggar family were going to bring this child abusing situation down. Ladies and gentlemen this is just the beginning. Just watch

    Would laugh but it's too sad.

    So you think he will rat on others? He'll be killed first.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,201
    hedonist said:

    Halifaxx, I didn't intend to go all this on you -

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    I get frustrated when those damn letters are practically branded on some and (mis)used to make a point. It's just silly to me and admittedly gets under my skin especially when tossed in for no valid reason but for affiliation - strange in itself, no?

    Judge (as we will, and do) on character and maybe actions, not letters.

    I have to admit that I laughed out loud when I saw this picture after your initial post. No worries.

    But to answer your question as to why I pointed out the (R) next to his name, as some have already alluded to, its been the (R) party that has been shoving family values down our throat since at least 1978 with Anita Bryant and her anti-gay crusade. The (R) party has made their morality one of their center pieces of their platform and have been hog wild about it ever since. Hell, they put gay marriage on the ballot in key states in the 2004 election knowing full well it would motivate their base. Clinton goes through an impeachment process for lying about a consensual relationship with an intern WHILE the speaker of the house at the time, MR, Gingrich (R) is having an affair while married (then acts outraged that he's asked about it during a presidential candidate debate), his replacement, chosen to replace Newt the Beaut, Rep. Livingston (R), takes to the floor of the house and challenges Clinton to resign as he is about to do for having an affair while married, and the guy (R) who ultimately fills the vacancy has a past history of diddling kid(s). If this were a (D), there would be congressional investigations and every conservative talking head and blogger, pundit, etc. would be lambasting the (D)s for being morally vacant and painting every (D) as guilty by association. When it happens to one of "theirs," crickets. Not a peep. Lets move on, nothing to see here. In one of the other threads, someone made reference to Al Sharpton. Not relevant to the conversation but it gets thrown out there anyway. So, I guess when I disagree with a (R) viewpoint, I'll throw out, "must be a friend of Hastert's."

    If you want to see the change, you and I and everyone else need to hold both sides accountable and not give it a pass. Like Fox and Friends and the mosque protest or Hastert (R) and his alleged crimes (sorry, you don't withdraw $1.5 million and violate banking regulations if your innocent). Could he get off. Sure. Will the (R)s come to his defense and praise him if he does. Not likely.

    And if they're not going to get rid of the Hastert Rule, they should rename it the Diddling Rule.
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  • hedonist
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    Thanks for taking my replies in the spirit with which they were intended, and responding in kind.

    What you said up there makes sense but this, most of all (and which I have always believed and tried to judge/act upon - which, in part, led me to my initial posts):

    If you want to see the change, you and I and everyone else need to hold both sides accountable and not give it a pass.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    If people only knew how deep this pedophile thing really is. It'll fucken floor you all.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    badbrains said:

    If people only knew how deep this pedophile thing really is. It'll fucken floor you all.

    Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised.

    Much like (a) cancer, guessing we've all been affected by these fuckers in one way or another.

    Pick any field, any gender, any race, any country, any religion...you get the point.

    I can only imagine what those who commit these atrocities experienced themselves, to be unable (or unwilling?) to end the cycle and continue to perpetuate it.

    It's a reason - though not even close to an excuse.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    hedonist said:

    badbrains said:

    If people only knew how deep this pedophile thing really is. It'll fucken floor you all.

    Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised.

    Much like (a) cancer, guessing we've all been affected by these fuckers in one way or another.

    Pick any field, any gender, any race, any country, any religion...you get the point.

    I can only imagine what those who commit these atrocities experienced themselves, to be unable (or unwilling?) to end the cycle and continue to perpetuate it.

    It's a reason - though not even close to an excuse.
    I think Badbrains is speaking about a different kind of sick bastard. Rather than your average sicko who is dealing with mental illness (likely contributed to by abuse) I think he is talking about people in power who become obsessive about power and take it to such extremes. History (think Caligula, Nero, and the like) has given plenty of examples Of twisted fucks who get so desensitized to the normal abuses of power that they unleash this kind of depravity.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    rgambs said:

    hedonist said:

    badbrains said:

    If people only knew how deep this pedophile thing really is. It'll fucken floor you all.

    Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised.

    Much like (a) cancer, guessing we've all been affected by these fuckers in one way or another.

    Pick any field, any gender, any race, any country, any religion...you get the point.

    I can only imagine what those who commit these atrocities experienced themselves, to be unable (or unwilling?) to end the cycle and continue to perpetuate it.

    It's a reason - though not even close to an excuse.
    I think Badbrains is speaking about a different kind of sick bastard. Rather than your average sicko who is dealing with mental illness (likely contributed to by abuse) I think he is talking about people in power who become obsessive about power and take it to such extremes. History (think Caligula, Nero, and the like) has given plenty of examples Of twisted fucks who get so desensitized to the normal abuses of power that they unleash this kind of depravity.
    Ah, I hadn't looked at this particular story in that light.

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