Pit bull lover? Don't live in Mississippi
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Ok, but what is the end result of your argument - what are you advocating? You seem to be making statements without being sure what your position is. What makes another breed 'truly comparable'? Pit bulls alone can range in size dramatically....does a 25lbs pit bull pose more of a threat than a 200lbs saint Bernard?PJ_Soul said:
But there are not nearly as many deaths and severe injuries caused by these breeds... Plus, those dogs were and are bred for a purpose besides fighting. Again, my argument isn't about eliminating dog attacks. It's just about reducing the risks. It's far from a black and white argument, obviously.Drowned Out said:we might as well ban all large dogs. Akitas and huskies can sure as hell do a lot of damage and are more tempermental than the breeds we're discussing.
The statement about deaths and severe injuries doesn't take into account my point about bad owners moving to other breeds....do we keep 'minimizing risks' based on which breed the bad owners choose?
My point about the human comparison was to highlight that dogs have individual personalities. I don't buy for a second that you can make a general statement about a breed, esp one with as much cross-breeding.
And pit bulls were not bred solely to fight. They were bred for herd cattle, as guard dogs, and as bull-baiting dogs.
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Based on totally personal experience, most people who choose to own a pit bull (or a rotti, for that matter), excluding rescue folks, are aggro losers.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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How many pit owners have you known who fit that bill? As mentioned earlier, my husband and one of his brothers owned pits, and my guy's about as gentle as they come (and not fanatical). The ones who use these and other animals for fighting, for breeding over and over for sale - and again for fighting - those are the ones who give nary a shit about them, and lack humaneness.PJ_Soul said:Based on totally personal experience, most people who choose to own a pit bull (or a rotti, for that matter), excluding rescue folks, are aggro losers.
But, there are also many many others who simply love the qualities and personality of the breed, and want to give them good homes.
I'm all for neutering / spaying any pet, by the way. We can thank the ones who choose not to do this, to continue to crowd shelters and rescues.
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I've known at least a handful, and otherwise I'm just going off of a lot of observation, i.e. douchebags walking around with their pit bulls acting like losers, lol. Not a scientific poll result.hedonist said:
How many pit owners have you known who fit that bill? As mentioned earlier, my husband and one of his brothers owned pits, and my guy's about as gentle as they come (and not fanatical). The ones who use these and other animals for fighting, for breeding over and over for sale - and again for fighting - those are the ones who give nary a shit about them, and lack humaneness.PJ_Soul said:Based on totally personal experience, most people who choose to own a pit bull (or a rotti, for that matter), excluding rescue folks, are aggro losers.
But, there are also many many others who simply love the qualities and personality of the breed, and want to give them good homes.
I'm all for neutering / spaying any pet, by the way. We can thank the ones who choose not to do this, to continue to crowd shelters and rescues.But seriously, I am aware that there are "normal" pit bull owners. I was making a sweeping generalization.
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I think we can all picture the stereotypical shitbird pitbull owner. We see them all the time and when we do... speaking for myself at a minimum... we generally provide a wide berth.
This brand of human being has done much damage to the pitbull breed and, acknowledging Drowned's point... in the unlikely event we ever did phase out pitbulls, this brand of human being would find another breed to move to and contaminate as well.
Don't get me wrong... I still think the pitbull is potentially very dangerous, however poor owners are the catalyst for violent behaviors in many cases."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
The one thing confuses me is, if we're talking about regular good dog owners, what in the world would make any of them say, "We should get a family pet.... I know! Let's get a pit bull! That'll be fun for the kids!"
I mean, seriously.... why would anyone do that? I don't get it.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
I don't know, PJ...they may or may not have intended to adopt that breed; sometimes the love and connection is just there. Maybe some feel many of the dogs have been given a bad rap and want to do right by an animal that was hurt or not cared for.
It's funny, I've got the People's Court going here (good for decompressing), and a pit case is up. The defendant took his pit out to "run around" - OFF LEASH - and it attacked another dog. The guy has no compunction about it either. These are the kind of irresponsible asses who shouldn't have a dog, period.
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There are lots of reasons if you aren't biased. They are loyal and athletic, they have short fur and they don't stink at all, they are very loving and cute...they are a good size (not nearly as big as most pit haters picture in their mind)...and many of them need a good homePJ_Soul said:The one thing confuses me is, if we're talking about regular good dog owners, what in the world would make any of them say, "We should get a family pet.... I know! Let's get a pit bull! That'll be fun for the kids!"
I mean, seriously.... why would anyone do that? I don't get it.
If you are particularly concerned about getting a dog that is "safe" for a family, you probably shouldn't get a dog at all. I mean that...when you fear or mistrust a dog it responds in kind and that's where trouble starts.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
don't forget very intelligent and healthy. they live a long time and to the best of my knowledge aren't plagued by something specific to their breed. like hip dysplasia with great danes, breathing problems with English bulldogs, skin issues with shar peis, and shit like that. you can't say eww a pit bull?? your vet bills are gonna be through the roof.if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.0
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I onky have respect for anyone who adopts a pit bull with rescue in mind, if they were mistreated or neglected, which is very common with these dogs for several reasons (including anti-pit bull sentiment)... and that actually lends to my argument.hedonist said:I don't know, PJ...they may or may not have intended to adopt that breed; sometimes the love and connection is just there. Maybe some feel many of the dogs have been given a bad rap and want to do right by an animal that was hurt or not cared for.
It's funny, I've got the People's Court going here (good for decompressing), and a pit case is up. The defendant took his pit out to "run around" - OFF LEASH - and it attacked another dog. The guy has no compunction about it either. These are the kind of irresponsible asses who shouldn't have a dog, period.
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Rescue dogs come with baggage.PJ_Soul said:
I onky have respect for anyone who adopts a pit bull with rescue in mind, if they were mistreated or neglected, which is very common with these dogs for several reasons (including anti-pit bull sentiment)... and that actually lends to my argument.hedonist said:I don't know, PJ...they may or may not have intended to adopt that breed; sometimes the love and connection is just there. Maybe some feel many of the dogs have been given a bad rap and want to do right by an animal that was hurt or not cared for.
It's funny, I've got the People's Court going here (good for decompressing), and a pit case is up. The defendant took his pit out to "run around" - OFF LEASH - and it attacked another dog. The guy has no compunction about it either. These are the kind of irresponsible asses who shouldn't have a dog, period.
It was a rescued German Shepherd that attacked my son in our yard. We found out later it had bit a pregnant woman on the street. The owners were actually doing a good job with it, but any moment afforded to go attack something it didn't like for whatever reason... it seized it.
We wanted the dog put down. She got rid of it to a farmer. It's likely someone else got bit.
* And no... I'm not saying rescue dogs are not worth the effort. I'm saying they carry significant risk and here is the situation where an owner is required to be very skilled."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Absolutely. Rescuing dogs is work. Many of them have behavioural problems. That's why I admire those willing to do it. I don't suggest that anyone who wants a pet should get a rescue dog, especially not a pit bull, lol. I consider doing this a job and you need to really know what you're doing. It's absolutely not a solution to finding a family pet.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Rescue dogs come with baggage.PJ_Soul said:
I onky have respect for anyone who adopts a pit bull with rescue in mind, if they were mistreated or neglected, which is very common with these dogs for several reasons (including anti-pit bull sentiment)... and that actually lends to my argument.hedonist said:I don't know, PJ...they may or may not have intended to adopt that breed; sometimes the love and connection is just there. Maybe some feel many of the dogs have been given a bad rap and want to do right by an animal that was hurt or not cared for.
It's funny, I've got the People's Court going here (good for decompressing), and a pit case is up. The defendant took his pit out to "run around" - OFF LEASH - and it attacked another dog. The guy has no compunction about it either. These are the kind of irresponsible asses who shouldn't have a dog, period.
It was a rescued German Shepherd that attacked my son in our yard. We found out later it had bit a pregnant woman on the street. The owners were actually doing a good job with it, but any moment afforded to go attack something it didn't like for whatever reason... it seized it.
We wanted the dog put down. She got rid of it to a farmer. It's likely someone else got bit.
* And no... I'm not saying rescue dogs are not worth the effort. I'm saying they carry significant risk and here is the situation where an owner is required to be very skilled.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
@thirty, your son was attacked? jeez man, wasn't your wife attacked not too long ago as well? I can see how dogs in general would leave a foul taste in your mouth. I apologize for busting your chops. I think it would be hard for me to champion dog rights if my entire family had been attacked by dogs.if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.0
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I've been attacked by dogs more than once. I was even bitten on the face once. Some dog I had been playing with all weekend at a farmhouse B&B in the UK just suddenly lunged and bit right through my lip. I was around 9 years old maybe? I've had a few other bad experiences (including a horrifying standoff with a Rottweiler that had escaped it's year I guess - it was just walking around a neighborhood alone in the middle of the night. If someone hadn't happened to see and come out of their house to gang up on the fucking thing I'd probably have been badly fucked up. He was absolutely going to attack.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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that's unfortunate. i'm sorry to hear that.if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.0
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Son attacked and sent to emergency.goingtoverona said:@thirty, your son was attacked? jeez man, wasn't your wife attacked not too long ago as well? I can see how dogs in general would leave a foul taste in your mouth. I apologize for busting your chops. I think it would be hard for me to champion dog rights if my entire family had been attacked by dogs.
Wife attacked on mail route and sent to emergency.
I guess you know why I am the way I am. I've been bit a bunch of times back when I delivered papers as a preteen. These experiences never had me think twice about dogs. When someone you love has been bit... it's a whole other story.
Edit: No problems by the way.Post edited by Thirty Bills Unpaid on"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
PJ,pits are awesome pets.Like Gambsy said,"Very Loyal,Great with kids,easy to train,fun to hike or play ball with.Easy to care for.The violence is a learned behavior by idiots who have no right to own a dog.And any breed can be taught to be violent.Dobermans,GSheppards,Mastiffs,Labs it dosent matter.
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Pitbulls are highly aggressive breeds and also very dangerous which should be taken with caution not be taken lightly.0
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For what it's worth, Animal Planet is running a Pit Bulls & Parolees marathon today. Good watching for those on either or any side of the issue/breed. It's been eye-opening for me (plus the pups! - it IS National Puppy Day, I just heard
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