THE WALKING DEAD...and all things zombie

HughFreakingDillon · December 2014

Yes, i knew that dawn didn't mean to, but i was wondering if beth stabbed her pathetically in the shoulder in order for the possibility of sacrificing herself so noah could be free?

Riverrunner · December 2014

paulonious said:
Yes, i knew that dawn didn't mean to, but i was wondering if beth stabbed her pathetically in the shoulder in order for the possibility of sacrificing herself so noah could be free?

I just don't see Beth yearning to be a martyr. I think she wanted to be back with her group. I think she had toughened up enough that she thought Dawn had to die. I don't think she put much thought into it because it wasn't really a smart thing to do.

eeriepadave · December 2014

Riverrunner said:

paulonious said:
I thought the van drop looked stupid too, until it was explained that the drop was way higher than it seemed to be. Just bad editing, i guess.

Was beth sacrificing herself for noah, or did she not know that was going to happen? I no longer have cable, so couldn't watch talking dead. Norman reedus is a fabulous actor. And rick shooting the guy in the head and then muttering "shut up". That was classic.
The theory is that Dawn accidently shot Beth - that she really did not mean to. And that certainly makes sense to me. Thw shot and stabbing were almost simultaneous. And Dawn looked surprised and apologetic for that short moment before Daryl shot her in the head.

yeah at first i didn't think it was Dawn who shot beth cause the look on her face was total surprise.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2014

Dammit i wish i could see talking dead.

pickupyourwill · December 2014

benjs said:

One easy abbreviation: NDA (non-disclosure agreement). Anything with a prerequisite secretive nature, and those involved will be required to sign one of these, at SIGNIFICANT financial penalties for breaching the contract. All of a sudden, keeping quiet seems much easier at that point.

Yes, that does make a lot more sense.

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HughFreakingDillon · December 2014

I can't believe AMC posted a picture of daryl carrying beth saying "RIP beth" seconds after it aired on the east coast, but before everywhere else. How stupid is that social media person they have.

PearlJamaholic · December 2014

I may be done with the show now. I think my complaints about the story-telling are well known at this point, and I did have high hopes at the beginning of the season, but the last few episodes followed with Beth's death may have just cashed it in for me.

I will say Beth was one of the few characters I liked, but that isn't my gripe, I mean I still watch AGoT, I kept watching Dexter after Doakes and he was about the only character I liked up to that point, my problem is how it is handled.

Her whole death seemed to focus on the fact that they needed a mid-season death and went with the most expendable character. Nothing in her actions related to her character at all. She went from an innocent suicidal bunny to a homicidal idiot in one scene? And for what reason? She saved Noah before, she knows Rick and the group, Beth would seem more likely to leave with the group meet up with her sister than talk Rick and Daryl into going back for Noah.

Beth at no point seemed like the type to start a fire fight, maybe if there would have been some talk with Dawn about killing all the other dirty cops after they pushed the one down the shaft I may have bought this change in Beth. She had to assume trying to kill the leader of the other group would start a fight, so just to blatantly attack her like that was stupid.

The only way this inconsistent character action holds up is if everyone starts doing it. Does Abraham kill himself over Beth's death? Maybe Glenn or Daryl?

Characters are not plot devices. And if this is a show about characters it is falling flat, if it is about an undefined plot then it is ok, I guess.

a5pj · December 2014

I thought the mid season finale was easily one of the best episodes in a long time. The show didn't drag on and covered a lot of ground. Surprising that Beth stabbed her, but I think she got to the point where she needed to take a stand for the wrongs that were happening and it was her last chance to do so. I was a little disappointed only Noah left with Rick, seemed like more people should have gone with him, like after the govn'r.

I mean the whole point of the show/comic is to try and maintain humanity in an inhumane world, right. How long can you turn a blind eye / not give people second chances etc...

bobby dazzlers · December 2014

Hopefully we'll get to see more of Glenn, Maggie, Rosita and Abraham.
And less of Carl and Judith.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2014

PearlJamaholic said:
I may be done with the show now. I think my complaints about the story-telling are well known at this point, and I did have high hopes at the beginning of the season, but the last few episodes followed with Beth's death may have just cashed it in for me.

I will say Beth was one of the few characters I liked, but that isn't my gripe, I mean I still watch AGoT, I kept watching Dexter after Doakes and he was about the only character I liked up to that point, my problem is how it is handled.

Her whole death seemed to focus on the fact that they needed a mid-season death and went with the most expendable character. Nothing in her actions related to her character at all. She went from an innocent suicidal bunny to a homicidal idiot in one scene? And for what reason? She saved Noah before, she knows Rick and the group, Beth would seem more likely to leave with the group meet up with her sister than talk Rick and Daryl into going back for Noah.

Beth at no point seemed like the type to start a fire fight, maybe if there would have been some talk with Dawn about killing all the other dirty cops after they pushed the one down the shaft I may have bought this change in Beth. She had to assume trying to kill the leader of the other group would start a fight, so just to blatantly attack her like that was stupid.

The only way this inconsistent character action holds up is if everyone starts doing it. Does Abraham kill himself over Beth's death? Maybe Glenn or Daryl?

Characters are not plot devices. And if this is a show about characters it is falling flat, if it is about an undefined plot then it is ok, I guess.

she wasn't suicidal. she wasn't going to jump down the shaft. that was just Dawn mocking her, trying to make her feel weak.

the point, in my eyes, of Beth doing what she did, was out of pure anger at that point. Did you see the look in Beth's eyes when Dawn said "I knew you'd be back" to Noah? she snapped, and her stabbing her was her best attempt at retribution. she wasn't thinking clearly. I thought it was excellently done. Did I enjoy the "one group per episode" thing? I never liked that. for background in the early parts of the series, sure, but in the fifth season, I'm not a huge fan. 3 full episodes without Rick, the MAIN protagonist? to me that seems odd.

and Beth was far from an expendable character. She brought hope to the group. She was becoming stronger and stronger all the time.

I don't see this show as being a "we need a death for finale" type of show. but they do build up to a climax at the finales. I think it would be pretty tough to have TWO finales a year to write for. They have to have double the arcs.

the problem is, if someone dies in the middle of the first part of the season, the mid season finale is a letdown. if they do it at the finale, they complain it's predictable. with a show that has fans as passionate as this, I think it would be intense pressure to deliver.

Lost fucked up severly under that pressure. I think WD is doing a great job.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2014

my main complaint about the show is Tyrese being an emotional little bitch. I haven't read the comics, so I wasn't invested in his comic book persona, but his character is still incredibly disappointing to me. he can't even kill zombies? seriously? he should be the one dying, not anyone else.
and I hate to say it, but with Gabriel, Tyrese, and now Morgan all in the show, not to mention Sasha and Michonne, one of those characters is going to bite it. I will never understand why, but everytime you have more than your "alloted amount" of tv black people, they kill one off. it's bizarre.

Indifference71 · December 2014

paulonious said:
my main complaint about the show is Tyrese being an emotional little bitch. I haven't read the comics, so I wasn't invested in his comic book persona, but his character is still incredibly disappointing to me. he can't even kill zombies? seriously? he should be the one dying, not anyone else.

Completely agree about Tyrese. Would have made much more sense for him to be the one to go instead of Beth.

rival. · December 2014

tyreese was a complete badass in the comics. disappointed they made him so soft in the show as well.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2014

rival. said:
tyreese was a complete badass in the comics. disappointed they made him so soft in the show as well.

yeah, a comic book man friend of mine told me he would just walk around, killing people indiscriminately with a hammer. and they turned him into "remember when we were kids, Sasha? remember? *sniff sniff*".

Riverrunner · December 2014

I kinda like Tyreese as he is. It may be a little extreme though. And I was pissed when he let Martin go, although I knew he was going to do it.

pickupyourwill · December 2014

PearlJamaholic said:

Beth at no point seemed like the type to start a fight, maybe if there would have been some talk with Dawn about killing all the other dirty cops after they pushed the one down the shaft I may have bought this change in Beth. She had to assume trying to kill the leader of the other group would start a fight, so just to blatantly attack her like that was stupid.

Beth wasn't trying to kill the leader of the other group. She was fed up with Dawn's passive-aggressive, controlling bullshit and she snapped a little, by sticking the fork or whatever in her shoulder, not killing her. It was a stupid move--she had to have known that something was going to happen, but I really don't think she thought she'd be killed for it because she had all her family behind her to back her up. She finally felt safe for the first time again since she had been stuck in that hospital. And then it did seem like Dawn shot her gun as almost a reflex but also in the same way that Dawn slapped Beth--acting before thinking. Dawn had that look of surprise and accidental no look, almost right before Darryl shot her because she realized too late that her acting before thinking method just cost her her life in the end.

Suicidal bunny Beth as you or someone put it was in season 2. This Beth has evolved since then, and has taken more chances along the way. Its a world where any of them could die easily. You've got people from Terminus who eat people. You have basically all the survivors not completely trusting each other. I really don't think her death was just for ratings. I think the writers put a lot of thought into it.