Rant about lame fanviews

BrokenGlass · October 2014

If ever there was a poster child for how narcissistic our world has become, the so-called "fanviews" on this board are definitely it.

I, like most Pearl Jam fans, am obsessed with knowing what happened ONSTAGE at the shows. That's why so many of us follow the setlist threads that were spontaneously invented with the help of generous relayers at the shows. We sit at our screens with baited breath, vicariously living the show with the lucky ones who are actually there. But, of course, all we get to see are the song titles as they are played.

So, when I come to read the fanviews the next couple days after the shows, I eagerly look forward to reading reports ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ONSTAGE. Now, all I read are either: 1) comments from people who weren't there, usually jealous about it and bemoaning the fact that someone else got to be at that show; 2) lame one sentence posts, like "I was so stoked. The pit was awesome. I had a great time." or 3) long pieces of blather about where YOU sat, how much YOU had to drink, what songs YOU finally "got" that you hadn't yet seen (like your childhood obsession with collecting every Happy Meal toy or Pokemon card has carried over to adulthood), who YOU met, what number show this was for YOU, how far YOU traveled, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

Here's a request: if you're going to take the time to actually type something, TRY TO MAKE IT BE ABOUT THE SHOW. Those of us who weren't there would LOVE to hear what Eddie said between songs, what particular Mike solo killed, how long RVM lasted, whether any of the lyrics got messed up or changed, any cool tags at the end of songs, which basses Jeff used, how much Stone rocked out, etc., ANY and EVERY thing that happened ONSTAGE. In contrast, we could give a rat's ass about YOU and your personal experience. Newsflash: we all know how much fun it is to go to a show, get drunk, and meet people, and don't need you to remind us. Get over yourselves. Save that shit for your tweets and twitters and facebooks and IMs or whatever. What we DON'T know and what we want to hear is what actually went down ONSTAGE. You know, your view as a fan, i.e. "fanview".

Thank you. End of rant.

FrankieG · October 2014

=D>

+1

VenusRayne · October 2014

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UnthoughtName · October 2014

I think it's perfectly acceptable for fans to post about themselves in the "fan"views. I think you should be looking for reviews if you don't want to hear about other member's experiences. At the start of every fanview topic Kat starts it even says "Please share your experiences here."

Don't see anything wrong with people posting what you mentioned above.

I will agree though that the people who weren't there who post "man, I wished I was there" or "Oh, you guys are so lucky! I still haven't seen that song" does get a little tiresome. but then again, this is a Pearl Jam forum and people are excited one way or the other about these shows. It's really not a big deal.

justam · October 2014

Just skim those dull fanviews! There are usually a few good observations in the threads as well.

BinFrog · October 2014

I didn't realize there was a format I had to adhere to when posting a fanview. I'll keep that in mind and thank you for letting us all know how to act while on the board.

RS151862 · October 2014

Can you direct us towards what I can only imagine are truly epic fan views you have written so we can get a sense if what is required. Thanks.

BrokenGlass · October 2014

RS151862 said:
Can you direct us towards what I can only imagine are truly epic fan views you have written so we can get a sense if what is required. Thanks.

Sure. Here's my fanview from the Cleveland show in 2006. Take notes. Oh, yeah, it's "sense OF what is required" not "sense IF what is required." You're welcome.

10c #178xxx - seats in Flr 2, Row N

After seeing the setlist from Grand Rapids Friday night, I was afraid we were going to get shortchanged in Cleveland. Boy, was I wrong.

Y'know how they always call the Stones "The World's Greatest Rock and Roll Band"? Saturday night in Cleveland, Pearl Jam took the crown. This was not a show for the faint of heart; it was the polar opposite of Benaroya.
Ed's preshow is always a treat. Last Kiss was better solo unplugged than with the band, I think. And when Ed sang "It Makes No Difference" with MMJ, I was thrilled. That's always been my favorite (of many) Band songs, and they really did the song justice. MMJ are serious musicians and they rocked the house with their set. Best opener band I've ever seen at a PJ show.

The crowd went nuts when the sounds of Master/Slave began to fill the arena and the boys took the stage. Personally, I would have been thrillled if they played the new album front to back, so when they opened with Betterman, I was a little apprehensive. Ed let the crowd sing the entire first verse, and my wife pointed out he was probably saving his voice! Given to Fly was solid and started the band firing on all cylinders. From the point on, it was like being transported back to 1994 or so. I have NEVER seen Ed so animated on stage. During STBC, he had the mike stand planted and ran circles around it. You've seen the set list. In a word, relentless. Mike and Jeff were all over the stage. We got a beautiful Mikey solo to Immortality, but I agree with another poster who said Mike was too low in the mix. I could only really hear his solos in songs where the rest of the band is relatively quiet. I hope the boot is mixed better. I hope you all get to hear Inside Job live - it's a masterpiece. Same with Gone - it's like hearing the Who do a song from Quadrophenia! Severed Hand is fierce live. Matt's drum and cymbal work is masterful in Unemployable.

Other highlights: Faithfull was beautifully rendered. Wait till you hear Ed's falsetto tag at the end of Black, including the "we belong together" tag. Absolutely chilling. The crowd did the "do-do-doo-do-do-do-doo"s for a long while, egging Ed on. He was conducting us with his empty wine bottle. Porch was like being at a PJ house party. And in "Alive", Ed sang a line I've only ever heard him sing once before (memory fails me as to when and where): "She walked slowly into a young man's room, said I'm ready to fuck you..." Intense moment, to say the least. During Alive, Ed was everywhere, standing atop the PA cabinet on stage left, then running over to Mike who was now on our side of the stage, headbutting Mike and grabbing the whammy bar on his old Strat while Mike was soloing. Ed asked if we wanted to hear the dream he had the night before. I think a professional psych could have a field day interpreting that one. Then to wind things up, Mike played THE ENTIRETY of Ledbetter behind his back! The only other guitarist I've ever seen do that was Stevie Ray Vaughn.

A loud, raucous, balls-out rock and roll show happened in Cleveland Saturday night. Thanks guys, and thanks 10c for taking care of us.

badbrains · October 2014

Ahhhh, ya.....I guess so X(

oftenreading · October 2014

I probably agree with the letter of your post but not the spirit.

I think I'm probably guilty of putting vague posts on the fanviews, mostly because after the shows I can hardly put a coherent thought together. Only the emotion comes through.

Gern Blansten · October 2014

BrokenGlass said:

RS151862 said:
Can you direct us towards what I can only imagine are truly epic fan views you have written so we can get a sense if what is required. Thanks.
Sure. Here's my fanview from the Cleveland show in 2006. Take notes. Oh, yeah, it's "sense OF what is required" not "sense IF what is required." You're welcome.

10c #178xxx - seats in Flr 2, Row N

After seeing the setlist from Grand Rapids Friday night, I was afraid we were going to get shortchanged in Cleveland. Boy, was I wrong.

Y'know how they always call the Stones "The World's Greatest Rock and Roll Band"? Saturday night in Cleveland, Pearl Jam took the crown. This was not a show for the faint of heart; it was the polar opposite of Benaroya.
Ed's preshow is always a treat. Last Kiss was better solo unplugged than with the band, I think. And when Ed sang "It Makes No Difference" with MMJ, I was thrilled. That's always been my favorite (of many) Band songs, and they really did the song justice. MMJ are serious musicians and they rocked the house with their set. Best opener band I've ever seen at a PJ show.

The crowd went nuts when the sounds of Master/Slave began to fill the arena and the boys took the stage. Personally, I would have been thrillled if they played the new album front to back, so when they opened with Betterman, I was a little apprehensive. Ed let the crowd sing the entire first verse, and my wife pointed out he was probably saving his voice! Given to Fly was solid and started the band firing on all cylinders. From the point on, it was like being transported back to 1994 or so. I have NEVER seen Ed so animated on stage. During STBC, he had the mike stand planted and ran circles around it. You've seen the set list. In a word, relentless. Mike and Jeff were all over the stage. We got a beautiful Mikey solo to Immortality, but I agree with another poster who said Mike was too low in the mix. I could only really hear his solos in songs where the rest of the band is relatively quiet. I hope the boot is mixed better. I hope you all get to hear Inside Job live - it's a masterpiece. Same with Gone - it's like hearing the Who do a song from Quadrophenia! Severed Hand is fierce live. Matt's drum and cymbal work is masterful in Unemployable.

Other highlights: Faithfull was beautifully rendered. Wait till you hear Ed's falsetto tag at the end of Black, including the "we belong together" tag. Absolutely chilling. The crowd did the "do-do-doo-do-do-do-doo"s for a long while, egging Ed on. He was conducting us with his empty wine bottle. Porch was like being at a PJ house party. And in "Alive", Ed sang a line I've only ever heard him sing once before (memory fails me as to when and where): "She walked slowly into a young man's room, said I'm ready to fuck you..." Intense moment, to say the least. During Alive, Ed was everywhere, standing atop the PA cabinet on stage left, then running over to Mike who was now on our side of the stage, headbutting Mike and grabbing the whammy bar on his old Strat while Mike was soloing. Ed asked if we wanted to hear the dream he had the night before. I think a professional psych could have a field day interpreting that one. Then to wind things up, Mike played THE ENTIRETY of Ledbetter behind his back! The only other guitarist I've ever seen do that was Stevie Ray Vaughn.

A loud, raucous, balls-out rock and roll show happened in Cleveland Saturday night. Thanks guys, and thanks 10c for taking care of us.

TLDR

dimitrispearljam · October 2014

I kinda understand the idea of your post but everyome has the right to post theway he likes
its fans choice the way want to post and feel what to write atthe review..
amd like it or not the last years alot of peoole do that in facebook pages or their walls..its faster and easier...i wish we had here the traffic is there..ill give u an exable cos im doing the secret santa...half of people entering santa and i need their username for that ,dont know their username here...they asking me where to find it after they log in...

Last-12-Exit · October 2014

The fanview is exactly that. The fans view. That usually involves where they sit or stand. I'm not sure why you are mad about someone that just writes "best show ever" or "I was stoked." It's their view. Not yours. Nor is it intended to be a show review.

JH6056 · October 2014

I've been a PJ fan for 21 years and seen them about 57 times from 1993 to 2014. In all those years and all that time of being a fanclub member and reading boards, I've only written one review, but I've read countless. And just as PJ has fans who value all sorts of different things about shows, who want different songs, who argue about best performances of songs, who value the "vibe" or "acoustics" or "pit experience"... the reports of what the show was like and why it was like it are going to vary.

You're entitled to your opinion about fanviews, but it truly puzzles me, because it's like you think everyone should value the same things and therefore report on the same things (because you report on what you think is worth reporting on). Who sees things that monolithically?? Seems really odd.

My one review was pretty long, and frankly didn't have much detail at all about the songs themselves (beyond the ones I was overjoyed to hear listed), and was a lot more about the vibe and the mood and the audience energy and the band energy, because that's what stood out and what made me write my first review in 57 shows.

As for the folks who weren't there, I think it's cool to read from those who appreciate the setlist or some detail and wish they'd been there (I've been that person as well). It adds to the appreciation when people write about wishing they'd been there. Why does that bother you?

Everyone will continue to write about what they want from shows (including the ones who weren't there), but just wanted to post and say it seems crazy to me to even expect or want fanviews that just talk about the aspects you think are worth talking about. Seems to not appreciate the wide variety of personalities and PJ values this community has. But you know... to each their own...

dlymnfld · October 2014

your rant is lame

Last-12-Exit · October 2014

Last-12-Exit said:
The fanview is exactly that. The fans view. That usually involves where they sit or stand. I'm not sure why you are mad about someone that just writes "best show ever" or "I was stoked." It's their view. Not yours. Nor is it intended to be a show review.

dlymnfld said:
your rant is lame

I like your response better. Simple and to the point!

RoleModelsinBlood31 · October 2014

Your rant sucks. This is the internet. People have the right to write whatever they want. Take it or leave it. If you have such a problem with what people are posting or even more for that matter with their grammar when 1/2 the folks on here speak English as a second language, don't read the fan views anymore. (By the way, if/of is probably an autocorrect mistake anyway, tough guy). You're options are pretty simple.

Maybe beg 10c to make you a mod. That way maybe a few people will care what you're crying about. Otherwise you're out of luck, because obviously no one cares.

RoleModelsinBlood31 · October 2014

Ibtl btw

Last-12-Exit · October 2014

BrokenGlass said:
If ever there was a poster child for how narcissistic our world has become, the so-called "fanviews" on this board are definitely it.

I, like most Pearl Jam fans, am obsessed with knowing what happened ONSTAGE at the shows. That's why so many of us follow the setlist threads that were spontaneously invented with the help of generous relayers at the shows. We sit at our screens with baited breath, vicariously living the show with the lucky ones who are actually there. But, of course, all we get to see are the song titles as they are played.

So, when I come to read the fanviews the next couple days after the shows, I eagerly look forward to reading reports ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ONSTAGE. Now, all I read are either: 1) comments from people who weren't there, usually jealous about it and bemoaning the fact that someone else got to be at that show; 2) lame one sentence posts, like "I was so stoked. The pit was awesome. I had a great time." or 3) long pieces of blather about where YOU sat, how much YOU had to drink, what songs YOU finally "got" that you hadn't yet seen (like your childhood obsession with collecting every Happy Meal toy or Pokemon card has carried over to adulthood), who YOU met, what number show this was for YOU, how far YOU traveled, etc., etc., ad nauseum.

Here's a request: if you're going to take the time to actually type something, TRY TO MAKE IT BE ABOUT THE SHOW. Those of us who weren't there would LOVE to hear what Eddie said between songs, what particular Mike solo killed, how long RVM lasted, whether any of the lyrics got messed up or changed, any cool tags at the end of songs, which basses Jeff used, how much Stone rocked out, etc., ANY and EVERY thing that happened ONSTAGE. In contrast, we could give a rat's ass about YOU and your personal experience. Newsflash: we all know how much fun it is to go to a show, get drunk, and meet people, and don't need you to remind us. Get over yourselves. Save that shit for your tweets and twitters and facebooks and IMs or whatever. What we DON'T know and what we want to hear is what actually went down ONSTAGE. You know, your view as a fan, i.e. "fanview".

Thank you. End of rant.

You have posted the exact opposite of what 99% of us want to read. Did you know the first post of every fanview thread, Sea gives the set list and a detailed summary of what ed says in between songs. I'm still confused as to why the fuck you are throwing this mini fit.

And your definition of a fanview is 100% wrong. If you want to fucking know how long rearview mirror lasted or how mime killed the solo on black, go to YouTube.

63schoefflin · October 2014

Dumbest post ever

shortstack · October 2014

oftenreading said:

I think I'm probably guilty of putting vague posts on the fanviews, mostly because after the shows I can hardly put a coherent thought together. Only the emotion comes through.

this and i can't even remember what songs were played.

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