the nfl & its cheerleaders' pay & lawsuits

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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    edited October 2014
    I watched the Washington team play the Titans on Sunday and was amazed how many times I saw ass and crotch in the background in these white shorts.

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    From the Washington football teams official site..."Coming up with the hottest and sexiest uniform in pro sports, the R++skins Cheerleaders are true trend-setters in this daring outfit. The top has been cut dramatically to fit each cheerleader and more than 600 Swarovski Crystals in three different stunning colors and sizes were added to create a look that is not only sexy, but a true showstopper. The shorts have also been given the same care to make sure they are customized to each cheerleader."
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    edited October 2014
    like women do, i think i'll change my mind, cheerleading is essential

    isn't it true that players & cheerleaders are not supposed to date, get together, be a couple, yada yada yada? that's dumb. i hope they are all over one other
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    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    edited October 2014
    Scantily clad women are the norm now in all the major US sports except baseball. The NBA has "dance teams" and Hockey has Ice girls. As a man, I don't know how a guy explains that to his son, OR keeps a straight face there with his wife or daughter. It's institutional sexism.
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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 13,086
    the tiki bomb said:

    Scantily clad women are the norm now in all the major US sports except baseball. The NBA has "dance teams" and Hockey has Ice girls. As a man, I don't know how a guy explains that to his son, OR keeps a straight face there with his wife or daughter. It's institutional sexism.

    the Philadelphia Flyers had originally eliminated their Ice Girls this pre-season but fans booed when only guys came out (it was mixture of guys and girls last year) so they ended up re-instating the girls. Personally i thought they could have come across so much better as an organization if they didn't cave and came out with a statement denouncing the practice.
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,974
    I like the cheerleaders in college football. At least they are part of the University. In pro football I find it a bit stupid. If I had it my way I'd get rid of cheerleaders, the superbowl halftime show and all those jets flying overhead during the national anthem. Just play football.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    If the women choose to be there, it is not demeaning IMO. They aren't being forced to be out there.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,984
    edited October 2014
    Last-12-Exit said:

    If the women choose to be there, it is not demeaning IMO. They aren't being forced to be out there.

    Women do demeaning things all the time. Just because they don't know any better it doesn't mean it isn't demeaning to women. Plus, it's not just demeaning to the cheerleaders. It's demeaning to all women.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    PJ_Soul said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    If the women choose to be there, it is not demeaning IMO. They aren't being forced to be out there.

    Women do demeaning things all the time. Just because they don't know any better it doesn't mean it isn't demeaning to women. Plus, it's not just demeaning to the cheerleaders. It's demeaning to all women.
    Does that mean high school cheerleadering is demeaning as well?

    I don't believe it's demeaning for a woman to use her body. That's not to say a woman can't do demeaning things with her body. But just by being cheerleader, a dancer, or a swimsuit model in no way automatically makes it demeaning.
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    I guess I have to break the news to my 13 yr old niece that she is demeaning herself and her entire gender for being a cheerleader for the jv football team and aspiring to be a varsity cheerleader.

    Or to one of my long time college friends that paid her way through college working at a strip club. She didn't feel demeaned. She didn't whore herself out. Is something demeaning simply because men stare?
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    tell your niece to avoid trying out for cheering for the nfl. tell her they'll pay her $2.13 per hr & only during games
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    chadwick said:

    tell your niece to avoid trying out for cheering for the nfl. tell her they'll pay her $2.13 per hr & only during games

    Lol. I hear ya. Sorry to derail.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,984
    edited October 2014
    Last-12-Exit said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    If the women choose to be there, it is not demeaning IMO. They aren't being forced to be out there.

    Women do demeaning things all the time. Just because they don't know any better it doesn't mean it isn't demeaning to women. Plus, it's not just demeaning to the cheerleaders. It's demeaning to all women.
    Does that mean high school cheerleadering is demeaning as well?

    I don't believe it's demeaning for a woman to use her body. That's not to say a woman can't do demeaning things with her body. But just by being cheerleader, a dancer, or a swimsuit model in no way automatically makes it demeaning.
    Well I guess that depends on the type of high school cheerleading you're talking about, but no, competitive cheerleading isn't demeaning. I'm talking about the sex shows they have at NFL games, etc.
    FTR, any stripper (if that's what you mean by "dancer") is definitely demeaning herself and all women. Of course a woman who is modelling a swimsuit isn't the same - that's selling a swimsuit to other women, Same with underwear models. If you're talking about the "swimsuit models" in Sports Illustrated or women in swimsuits lying on the hood of a sports car, yes, demeaning. It's definitely not black and white! But the general rule is when women are presented as sex objects, it's demeaning. Now I'm not saying I fly into some feminist rage every time I see gratuitously sexy photo of a woman, lol. But I don't find it hard to understand what is ultimately demeaning for women and what isn't.
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  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    you've not derailed.
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • Last-12-Exit
    Last-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    PJ_Soul said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    If the women choose to be there, it is not demeaning IMO. They aren't being forced to be out there.

    Women do demeaning things all the time. Just because they don't know any better it doesn't mean it isn't demeaning to women. Plus, it's not just demeaning to the cheerleaders. It's demeaning to all women.
    Does that mean high school cheerleadering is demeaning as well?

    I don't believe it's demeaning for a woman to use her body. That's not to say a woman can't do demeaning things with her body. But just by being cheerleader, a dancer, or a swimsuit model in no way automatically makes it demeaning.
    Well I guess that depends on the type of high school cheerleading you're talking about, but no, competitive cheerleading isn't demeaning. I'm talking about the sex shows they have at NFL games, etc.
    FTR, any stripper (if that's what you mean by "dancer") is definitely demeaning herself and all women. Of course a woman who is modelling a swimsuit isn't the same - that's selling a swimsuit to other women, Same with underwear models. If you're talking about the "swimsuit models" in Sports Illustrated or women in swimsuits lying on the hood of a sports car, yes, demeaning. It's definitely not black and white! But the general rule is when women are presented as sex objects, it's demeaning. Now I'm not saying I fly into some feminist rage every time I see gratuitously sexy photo of a woman, lol. But I don't find it hard to understand what is ultimately demeaning for women and what isn't.
    I definitely have a different opinion than you on that. But I'm not a woman.
  • WhatYouTaughtMe
    WhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    edited October 2014
    I don't see it as demeaning, if a woman has a look that is generally attractive to most, why not use the tools she was given? If I was born with great physical attributes I would be an underwear model if it paid well. Why not? If I was born super smart I'd be a rocket scientist. If I was freakishly tall, I'd be a basketball player. If I was born a hot chick, the capitalist in me might bang old rich dudes for money behind the dumpsters at walmart. I think sometimes we don't give people enough credit to think for themselves and determine what is right for them on a person to person basis. As a dude, I am guessing I couldn't completely understand a female point of view on the subject. Just my two cents.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    WhatYouTaughtMe said:

    I don't see it as demeaning, if a woman has a look that is generally attractive to most, why not use the tools she was given? If I was born with great physical attributes I would be an underwear model if it paid well. Why not? If I was born super smart I'd be a rocket scientist. If I was freakishly tall, I'd be a basketball player. If I was born a hot chick, the capitalist in me might bang old rich dudes for money behind the dumpsters at walmart. I think sometimes we don't give people enough credit to think for themselves and determine what is right for them on a person to person basis. As a dude, I am guessing I couldn't completely understand a female point of view on the subject. Just my two cents.

    You know, I kind of see where Ms. Soul is coming from (though I figure if women choose their path with a clear head, it's on them and I wish them well). I mean, who hasn't watched porn?

    WYTM (excuse the nickname :D), I was with you in concept until the part about getting it on amidst dumpsters. That's gotta be some kind of low. Being paid to fuck a stranger amid the stench of trash...it'd break my heart if my lovely young niece did that. Well, any woman with conscience or pride.

    I'm all for capitalism but to sell such intimacy, no bueno.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,984
    edited October 2014
    WhatYouTaughtMe said:

    I don't see it as demeaning, if a woman has a look that is generally attractive to most, why not use the tools she was given? If I was born with great physical attributes I would be an underwear model if it paid well. Why not? If I was born super smart I'd be a rocket scientist. If I was freakishly tall, I'd be a basketball player. If I was born a hot chick, the capitalist in me might bang old rich dudes for money behind the dumpsters at walmart. I think sometimes we don't give people enough credit to think for themselves and determine what is right for them on a person to person basis. As a dude, I am guessing I couldn't completely understand a female point of view on the subject. Just my two cents.

    I agree with your second to last sentence. The rest is ludicrous to me and rather offensive - sorry, no offense meant to you, just being honest.
    FTR, i know that everyone has the right to make their own decisions... but again, that has nothing to do with whether or not their actions are demeaning to themselves or women in general. Demeaning doesn't = against their will.
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    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • WhatYouTaughtMe
    WhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    hedonist said:

    WhatYouTaughtMe said:

    I don't see it as demeaning, if a woman has a look that is generally attractive to most, why not use the tools she was given? If I was born with great physical attributes I would be an underwear model if it paid well. Why not? If I was born super smart I'd be a rocket scientist. If I was freakishly tall, I'd be a basketball player. If I was born a hot chick, the capitalist in me might bang old rich dudes for money behind the dumpsters at walmart. I think sometimes we don't give people enough credit to think for themselves and determine what is right for them on a person to person basis. As a dude, I am guessing I couldn't completely understand a female point of view on the subject. Just my two cents.

    You know, I kind of see where Ms. Soul is coming from (though I figure if women choose their path with a clear head, it's on them and I wish them well). I mean, who hasn't watched porn?

    WYTM (excuse the nickname :D), I was with you in concept until the part about getting it on amidst dumpsters. That's gotta be some kind of low. Being paid to fuck a stranger amid the stench of trash...it'd break my heart if my lovely young niece did that. Well, any woman with conscience or pride.

    I'm all for capitalism but to sell such intimacy, no bueno.
    I was just trying to add a little humor. My overall point is still the same though. If that sort of thing makes someone happy and they are good with it. Who am I to say they shouldn't? I wouldn't necessarily want someone I know to do it, but I try and let people live the way they want without judging. Even if I don't agree with it.

    (I did say I MIGHT do it, not definitely! Haha)
  • WhatYouTaughtMe
    WhatYouTaughtMe Posts: 4,957
    PJ_Soul said:

    WhatYouTaughtMe said:

    I don't see it as demeaning, if a woman has a look that is generally attractive to most, why not use the tools she was given? If I was born with great physical attributes I would be an underwear model if it paid well. Why not? If I was born super smart I'd be a rocket scientist. If I was freakishly tall, I'd be a basketball player. If I was born a hot chick, the capitalist in me might bang old rich dudes for money behind the dumpsters at walmart. I think sometimes we don't give people enough credit to think for themselves and determine what is right for them on a person to person basis. As a dude, I am guessing I couldn't completely understand a female point of view on the subject. Just my two cents.

    I agree with your second to last sentence. The rest is ludicrous to me and rather offensive - sorry, no offense meant to you, just being honest.
    Didn't mean to offend anyone. I don't understand why people making decisions about what is right for them specifically, is ludicrous. I was just speaking from my own perspective on what I might do if I was given certain attributes. Sorry if I did it in an offensive way. "All thinking with our different brains!"
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    WhatYouTaughtMe said:

    I was just trying to add a little humor. My overall point is still the same though. If that sort of thing makes someone happy and they are good with it. Who am I to say they shouldn't? I wouldn't necessarily want someone I know to do it, but I try and let people live the way they want without judging. Even if I don't agree with it.

    (I did say I MIGHT do it, not definitely! Haha)

    I hear ya and pretty much on the same page.

    Cool beans!

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