Fracknation - a response to the Gasland documentaries we all know

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  • evsgjamm
    evsgjamm Posts: 2,109
    Fracking is fine and it didn't put benzene in the water. Benzene is formed through natural processes, such as volcanoes and forest fires.
    The cycles of Earth are fine and our little existence here isn't going to disrupt her cycles.
    We are fine but we sure know how to make a mess out there. We also know how to clean them up.
    We've got lots to discuss here and I'll catch up with that later. I just finished working the night shift and I am off to get some rest.
    Vancouver '03, Paramount Theatre '05, Saskatoon '05, Calgary '05, Edmonton '05, Saskatoon '11, Calgary '11, Calgary '13

    2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    evsgjamm said:

    Fracking is fine and it didn't put benzene in the water. Benzene is formed through natural processes, such as volcanoes and forest fires.
    The cycles of Earth are fine and our little existence here isn't going to disrupt her cycles.
    We are fine but we sure know how to make a mess out there. We also know how to clean them up.
    We've got lots to discuss here and I'll catch up with that later. I just finished working the night shift and I am off to get some rest.

    "Our little existence". You act like the planet is an infinite system. There are 7 billion of us. We have oxygen because bacteria fundamentally altered cycles on Earth. Cyanobacteria, their little existence created the atmosphere we enjoy. The carbon we are spitting is carbon that was sequestered from an inhospitable atmosphere that lead to our present comfort. We are spewing carbon dioxide at a planet changing level... Those sorts of forces can't be minimized as easily as you want.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,846
    evsgjamm said:

    This will go sour very quickly unless we agree on one thing. And that is that we simply disagree. We are too hard-headed and stubborn to change one another's viewpoints and it's best if we keep the proverbial flame away from the stope top so as to prevent our kettle's from boiling over. I'm just bringing this film to the attention of those who may want to see it. I watched the Gaslands, I enjoyed the Gaslands, but I don't entirely agree with them. I fully support wind, solar, bio and other new energies being developed, but I'm also all for oil & gas production and R&D as I see the positives of how its been a major factor in the development of first world countries.

    Just saying "let's agree to disagree" pretty much shuts down the discussion for me because I think you are basically asking me to not post here. You know exactly what I believe think and feel about fracking and I'm guessing anyone else reading this knows that as well: that fracking is a part of an industry that has no concern for the long-term welfare of people, other life and the planet itself. I'll just say that and leave now.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • evsgjamm
    evsgjamm Posts: 2,109
    Our little existence: I'm of the belief that large earth processes sculpt our planet on a scale that makes our existence insignificant to the ongoing life of the planet. I disagree with the thought that we are changing the climate. The Earth's climate changes because of vast internal and external forces. Humans are a virus that the Earth will eventually shake with ease.
    brianlux, I realize I snuffed out the flame of your poster. It appeared to shout at the thread.
    Vancouver '03, Paramount Theatre '05, Saskatoon '05, Calgary '05, Edmonton '05, Saskatoon '11, Calgary '11, Calgary '13

    2010 WATCH IT GO TO FIRE!!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,846
    edited October 2014
    evsgjamm said:

    Our little existence: I'm of the belief that large earth processes sculpt our planet on a scale that makes our existence insignificant to the ongoing life of the planet. I disagree with the thought that we are changing the climate. The Earth's climate changes because of vast internal and external forces. Humans are a virus that the Earth will eventually shake with ease.
    brianlux, I realize I snuffed out the flame of your poster. It appeared to shout at the thread.

    No worries- I totally agree. I have a little coaster sized version of it that I keep on the dashboard of my Pri... er, um...vehicle hahaha... So far no stones thrown through the windshield. But you're right, that image I copied is too big and obnoxious and "In your face". Sorry about that. I'll remove it. :-)

    Post edited by brianlux on
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    evsgjamm said:

    Our little existence: I'm of the belief that large earth processes sculpt our planet on a scale that makes our existence insignificant to the ongoing life of the planet. I disagree with the thought that we are changing the climate. The Earth's climate changes because of vast internal and external forces. Humans are a virus that the Earth will eventually shake with ease.
    brianlux, I realize I snuffed out the flame of your poster. It appeared to shout at the thread.


    We are large earth process engineers bonafide when it comes to exploiting the entire Carboniferous period in a few generations.
    I guess the only thing I can say is that opinions and beliefs are irrelevant when it comes to science. She's a stone cold bitch and she rolls on through whatever people believe at the moment. It's evolution baby!
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    perhaps some more canadians would be better informed about the impacts of the oil and gas industry if:
    * the conservatives were not muzzling scientists
    * the conservatives would fund the programs needed to study this properly
    * the conservatives were not in bed with the companies and rendering our regulatory institutions useless

    whether it's the tar sands, fracking or mining - most people have no clue about the facts ... basing their opinion on the myth of its function to the economy is what allows these corporations to get away with it ...

    you know what else is good for the economy? WAR ... so, let's just continue to perpetuate the innocent loss of lives and suffering ... because our continued support of this most fraudulent of industries has the same consequences ...
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    I watched Fracknation last night. I wasn't impressed. The entire film is all about smearing Josh Fox and Gasland...which wasn't a very good documentary itself. Ad hominem attacks and sentimental interviews...bleh. There was not a shred of data presented, only a whitewashing of the issues. It made a ton of false assumptions...the big one was that because methane in wells existed before fracking, it can't be a result of fracking. A little research shows that he has also made industry supporting docs for mining and climate change denial.
    I loved the "frackpads" that they showed, all paved and clean, not a hint of mud lol
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    rgambs said:

    There was not a shred of data presented, only a whitewashing of the issues. It made a ton of false assumptions...

    Exactly.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,846
    I don't mean to sound like a smart ass here, but a couple of cleverly crafted documentaries (in this case, one pro, one con) do not necessarily provide the kind of information necessary to formulate a clear understanding and opinion about an important subject like this one. Read widely, read often and think critically is my advice.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Agreed!! I would like to see some real science done on the subject, without the industry mucking the waters
    brianlux said:

    I don't mean to sound like a smart ass here, but a couple of cleverly crafted documentaries (in this case, one pro, one con) do not necessarily provide the kind of information necessary to formulate a clear understanding and opinion about an important subject like this one. Read widely, read often and think critically is my advice.

    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?

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