I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.
While I don't necessarily believe that any of the countries you've mentioned are the most racist places on earth, we are hardly the ideal when it comes to racial tolerance. In Canada we invite newcomers into the country but we continue to mistreat and marginalize our First Peoples. We also have a pretty lousy relationship with Quebec and we are by no means perfect when it comes to the treatment of racial minorities. We may not be the worst in the world, but we should definitely be part of the discussion.
But Canada is relatively great in this context. Not saying it's perfect (far from), but this is about "most racist nations" and Canada isn't even close, so I disagree that Canada should be a part of that particular conversation.
I actually think the First Nations issue is much more complicated than "racism". And Quebec? Are you serious? I actually laughed out loud at that. Racism has absolutely nothing to do with that particular issue.
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I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.
While I don't necessarily believe that any of the countries you've mentioned are the most racist places on earth, we are hardly the ideal when it comes to racial tolerance. In Canada we invite newcomers into the country but we continue to mistreat and marginalize our First Peoples. We also have a pretty lousy relationship with Quebec and we are by no means perfect when it comes to the treatment of racial minorities. We may not be the worst in the world, but we should definitely be part of the discussion.
But Canada is relatively great in this context. Not saying it's perfect (far from), but this is about "most racist nations" and Canada isn't even close, so I disagree that Canada should be a part of that particular conversation.
I actually think the First Nations issue is much more complicated than "racism". And Quebec? Are you serious? I actually laughed out loud at that. Racism has absolutely nothing to do with that particular issue.
I wouldn't be so quick to scoff at the notion of discrimination between Quebecois and the rest of Canadians. Even if it isn't actually there, there's certainly a perception of discrimination, as I have witnessed first-hand in conversations with Quebecois, and many outside of Quebec. For example, I have spoken to Quebecois who feel that we are disrespecting their heritage when we come to Quebec and try to communicate in English. I have explained that some of us are embarrassed by the incredibly poorly run French curriculum across Canada, and thus do not try to communicate in French within Quebec. To add to that, I've heard stories of friends going to Quebec and being literally ignored when they try to communicate in English. Racism is likely not the word for it, but discrimination (which racism is a subset of) is.
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I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.
While I don't necessarily believe that any of the countries you've mentioned are the most racist places on earth, we are hardly the ideal when it comes to racial tolerance. In Canada we invite newcomers into the country but we continue to mistreat and marginalize our First Peoples. We also have a pretty lousy relationship with Quebec and we are by no means perfect when it comes to the treatment of racial minorities. We may not be the worst in the world, but we should definitely be part of the discussion.
But Canada is relatively great in this context. Not saying it's perfect (far from), but this is about "most racist nations" and Canada isn't even close, so I disagree that Canada should be a part of that particular conversation.
I actually think the First Nations issue is much more complicated than "racism". And Quebec? Are you serious? I actually laughed out loud at that. Racism has absolutely nothing to do with that particular issue.
I wouldn't be so quick to scoff at the notion of discrimination between Quebecois and the rest of Canadians. Even if it isn't actually there, there's certainly a perception of discrimination, as I have witnessed first-hand in conversations with Quebecois, and many outside of Quebec. For example, I have spoken to Quebecois who feel that we are disrespecting their heritage when we come to Quebec and try to communicate in English. I have explained that some of us are embarrassed by the incredibly poorly run French curriculum across Canada, and thus do not try to communicate in French within Quebec. To add to that, I've heard stories of friends going to Quebec and being literally ignored when they try to communicate in English. Racism is likely not the word for it, but discrimination (which racism is a subset of) is.
If anything, it's the Quebecois who are racist towards everyone else, so yeah, maybe there is a problem. The perceived discrimination you mention - that is exactly right. It doesn't exist. The Quebecois use it as a political tactic. That has no relation to racism at all. Totally different issue. So yes, I should scoff at the notion. In don't view these issues as discrimination either to be honest. It's just people acting stupid.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Anyway, look at the title of this thread. Canada should not even be part of the discussion, seriously. Not that I'm all defensive of Canada. I am perfectly happy to criticize the country when valid. But i think bringing Canada into a discussion about what the most racist nations on the planet are is pretty ridiculous.... or perhaps naïve in terms of just how bad it is in so many other countries.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
What is the most racist country? All are the same.
Think all humans are racists, nature of our ingrained evolutionary makeup.
It's the level of acknowledgement and ability to overcome that differ.
Think this acknowledgement and willingness to overcome is tied directly to the benefits gained by sticking to ones race. So whites and Indians. White men and insecurities of black men taking their white women. One group having all the money power and not sharing. But this goes further than just physical traits hence the silly formations of religion and national borders. All build on this same simple evolutionary need for humans to identify with a group for security.
Are all countries really the same when it comes to racism?
People who are disenfranchised or marginalized may be bigots but are they really racists?. As you mentioned, racism is predicated one group having some element of power so it's seems that it would be pretty difficult for a marginalized person or group to exercise true racism. Having said that, if given the opportunity I expect that almost every ethnic, religious and racial group would exercise comparable racist tendencies if they held a similar power advantage. The fundamental difference is that certain groups hold that power and fear that the tables will one day be turned (which is not necessarily an invalid fear).
Countries is an arbitrary imaginary line drawn on a map or globe so no relevance other than what humans allow it's leaders to manifest power from it. USA USA USA etc. Think we're all products of our environment so it not the "country" but rather the elements of the environment if I'm making any sense. Same as the religion of a person, has nothing to do with finding the right true god, result of where one is hatched.
Each of those arbitrary boundaries comes packaged with a set of rights and privileges. Moreover, that parcel of rights helps us define who we are and create our sense of identity. Being born in the United States grants you a very different set of rights than someone who is born in France or Germany.
What is the most racist country? All are the same.
Think all humans are racists, nature of our ingrained evolutionary makeup.
It's the level of acknowledgement and ability to overcome that differ.
Think this acknowledgement and willingness to overcome is tied directly to the benefits gained by sticking to ones race. So whites and Indians. White men and insecurities of black men taking their white women. One group having all the money power and not sharing. But this goes further than just physical traits hence the silly formations of religion and national borders. All build on this same simple evolutionary need for humans to identify with a group for security.
Are all countries really the same when it comes to racism?
People who are disenfranchised or marginalized may be bigots but are they really racists?. As you mentioned, racism is predicated one group having some element of power so it's seems that it would be pretty difficult for a marginalized person or group to exercise true racism. Having said that, if given the opportunity I expect that almost every ethnic, religious and racial group would exercise comparable racist tendencies if they held a similar power advantage. The fundamental difference is that certain groups hold that power and fear that the tables will one day be turned (which is not necessarily an invalid fear).
Countries is an arbitrary imaginary line drawn on a map or globe so no relevance other than what humans allow it's leaders to manifest power from it. USA USA USA etc. Think we're all products of our environment so it not the "country" but rather the elements of the environment if I'm making any sense. Same as the religion of a person, has nothing to do with finding the right true god, result of where one is hatched.
I kinda agree with you but I do think some countries definitely do have more institutional racism than others....in their laws and such.
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I actually think the First Nations issue is much more complicated than "racism". And Quebec? Are you serious? I actually laughed out loud at that. Racism has absolutely nothing to do with that particular issue.
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The perceived discrimination you mention - that is exactly right. It doesn't exist. The Quebecois use it as a political tactic. That has no relation to racism at all. Totally different issue. So yes, I should scoff at the notion. In don't view these issues as discrimination either to be honest. It's just people acting stupid.