What's the most racist country on the planet?

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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    fuck said:

    benjs said:

    badbrains said:

    Pretty racist here

    http://m.hrw.org/news/2014/09/09/israel-thousands-coerced-leaving-country

    I do think that the treatment of those seeking refuge in a country is different than inherent racism found within a country. The more I read about the treatment of the Bedouins and Mizrahi Jews within Israel (in addition to the well-documented mistreatment of Arabs within both Israel and the Palestinian regions), the more I am convinced that Israel has inherent societal racism issues, and I feel that those are far greater grounds for proposing Israel as a racist state than this article.
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    You mean the settler-colonial project whose citizens think they are "God's chosen people" and are thereby allowed to "cleanse" the land of its indigenous people because God gave it to them...is racist?!
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    brianlux said:

    I know people who will disagree with me on this, but I think we still have to acknowledge one of the greatest, most horrific acts of racism of all time was AND IS the American genocide of the First Nations/Native American/American Indian people. We wiped them out, shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions. And then to add insult to injury we came up with all kinds of groovy ways to alleviate our guilt by making fake imitation dream catchers, and symbols to hang from our rear view mirrors and pendants, symbols and jewelry to hang on ourselves to become pretend Indians... while the real Indians are still being fucked.

    True. And Leonard Peltier still resides in jail today for a crime that he didn't commit back in 1976. And the majority of native Americans continue to live in abject poverty within one of the wealthiest countries on Earth.

  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited September 2014
    PJ_Soul said:

    I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.

    Tell that to the Australian Aboriginals who underwent a concerted effort of extermination, were rounded up and sent to concentration camps, were subjected to medical experiments, had thousands of their women raped, their children kidnapped and sent to 'education facilities' where they were not allowed to see their families again and were forbidden to speak their own language - this is still going on today, and whose land was stolen and used as nuclear test sites, and nuclear dumping grounds.

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    brianlux said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    blueandwhite said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.

    While I don't necessarily believe that any of the countries you've mentioned are the most racist places on earth, we are hardly the ideal when it comes to racial tolerance. In Canada we invite newcomers into the country but we continue to mistreat and marginalize our First Peoples. We also have a pretty lousy relationship with Quebec and we are by no means perfect when it comes to the treatment of racial minorities. We may not be the worst in the world, but we should definitely be part of the discussion.
    Does the rest of Canada have a problem with Quebec... or is it the other way around?
    My experience in Quebec- and granted, this was many years ago and things may have changed- but my experience was that it was the most unfriendly place I'd ever been to.

    You obviously don't speak French. If you cannot speak French while in Quebec... you are essentially a leper.

    Aside from the obnoxious behaviours one can easily find while there, the incessant calls for separatism don't exactly endear Quebec to the rest of Canada.
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  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    What's the deal with Quebec? In terms of there vs other parts of Canada.

    Never met nicer people (or hit on more) than in Vancouver.
  • Hawk Jam
    Hawk Jam Melbourne, Australia Posts: 121
    Australia is a highly mutlicultural society and like all countries there are still elements of racism and dickheads. The country has come a long way over its history and is a much better place than the OP makes it out to be.
  • brianlux
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    brianlux said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    blueandwhite said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.

    While I don't necessarily believe that any of the countries you've mentioned are the most racist places on earth, we are hardly the ideal when it comes to racial tolerance. In Canada we invite newcomers into the country but we continue to mistreat and marginalize our First Peoples. We also have a pretty lousy relationship with Quebec and we are by no means perfect when it comes to the treatment of racial minorities. We may not be the worst in the world, but we should definitely be part of the discussion.
    Does the rest of Canada have a problem with Quebec... or is it the other way around?
    My experience in Quebec- and granted, this was many years ago and things may have changed- but my experience was that it was the most unfriendly place I'd ever been to.

    You obviously don't speak French. If you cannot speak French while in Quebec... you are essentially a leper.

    Aside from the obnoxious behaviours one can easily find while there, the incessant calls for separatism don't exactly endear Quebec to the rest of Canada.
    Well hells, bells that must be it. The only French I knew at the time was this:

    Charbonnier est maître dans sa propre maison.

    (Translation: The charcoal burner is the master in his own house. A rather chauvinistic phrase at that. Bon Dieu!)

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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Hawk Jam said:

    Australia is a highly mutlicultural society and like all countries there are still elements of racism and dickheads. The country has come a long way over its history and is a much better place than the OP makes it out to be.

    It might be a better place for you, but is it a better place for Aboriginals, Asians, and immigrants?

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/mar/21/john-pilger-indigenous-australian-families

    Another stolen generation: how Australia still wrecks Aboriginal families
    The mass removal of Indigenous children from their parents continues unabated – where is the outrage?
    John Pilger
    The Guardian, Friday 21 March 2014

    '...It is happening across Australia in a scandalous and largely unrecognised abuse of human rights that evokes the infamous stolen generation of the last century. Up to the 1970s, thousands of mixed-race children were stolen from their mothers by welfare officials. The children were given to institutions as cheap or slave labour; many were abused.

    Described by a chief protector of Aborigines as "breeding out the colour", the policy was known as assimilation. It was influenced by the same eugenics movement that inspired the Nazis. In 1997 a landmark report, Bringing Them Home, disclosed that as many 50,000 children and their mothers had endured "the humiliation, the degradation and sheer brutality of the act of forced separation ... the product of the deliberate, calculated policies of the state". The report called this genocide.Today, the theft of Aboriginal children – including babies taken from the birth table – is now more widespread than at any time during the last century. As of June last year, almost 14,000 Aboriginal children had been "removed".

    ...Most Aboriginal families live on the edge. Their life expectancy in towns a short flight from Sydney is as low as 37. Dickensian diseases are rife; Australia is the only developed country not to have eradicated trachoma, which blinds Aboriginal children.

    ...In 2012 the co-ordinator general of remote services for the Northern Territory, Olga Havnen, was sacked when she revealed that almost A$80m (£44m) was spent on the surveillance and removal of Aboriginal children compared with only A$500,000 (£275,000) on supporting the same impoverished families.

  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited September 2014
    According to this report, racism is on the rise in Australia: http://m.smh.com.au/national/racism-on-the-rise-in-australia-migrants-report-cultural-shift-20140405-365a5.html

    - 19 percent of ethnic minorities experience racial discrimination, compared with 12 percent in 2012.

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  • blueandwhite
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    blueandwhite said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.

    While I don't necessarily believe that any of the countries you've mentioned are the most racist places on earth, we are hardly the ideal when it comes to racial tolerance. In Canada we invite newcomers into the country but we continue to mistreat and marginalize our First Peoples. We also have a pretty lousy relationship with Quebec and we are by no means perfect when it comes to the treatment of racial minorities. We may not be the worst in the world, but we should definitely be part of the discussion.
    Does the rest of Canada have a problem with Quebec... or is it the other way around?
    I would hazard to guess that it's a mutual thing. I can't really say that Quebecers are all that fond of us in the rest of Canada, but then again most Canadians don't seem to like Quebec very much either. Just throw the words "equalization" and "payment" together and magic happens. We're very quick to judge them for their xenophobia, isolationist politics and rampant spending but I don't think many Canadians truly respect Quebec's place in Confederacy. That's probably par for the course considering that Canada is nowhere close to being a bilingual country. We have nine english-speaking provinces and one french-speaking one. It only stands to reason that there is going to be some hostility.

    The relationship Canada has with Quebec has always been somewhat strained and I don't think it's getting any better. Canada's relationship with Quebec is one of political convenience that ihas been under constant strain since Charlottetown. At this point there seems to be a considerable amount of apathy from the rest of Canada when Quebec talks about sovereignty. We're just fed up with them and many Canadians could care less if they went on their merry way. So yes, we definitely have a problem with Quebec, just as Quebec has a problem with us.
  • Godfather.
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    Byrnzie said:

    brianlux said:

    I know people who will disagree with me on this, but I think we still have to acknowledge one of the greatest, most horrific acts of racism of all time was AND IS the American genocide of the First Nations/Native American/American Indian people. We wiped them out, shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions. And then to add insult to injury we came up with all kinds of groovy ways to alleviate our guilt by making fake imitation dream catchers, and symbols to hang from our rear view mirrors and pendants, symbols and jewelry to hang on ourselves to become pretend Indians... while the real Indians are still being fucked.

    True. And Leonard Peltier still resides in jail today for a crime that he didn't commit back in 1976. And the majority of native Americans continue to live in abject poverty within one of the wealthiest countries on Earth.

    yes I disagree.


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  • Jason P
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    Didn't the Montreal Canadiens have to make a public apology for hiring a non-French speaking coach and promise to never do it again?
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  • badbrains
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    Jason P said:

    Didn't the Montreal Canadiens have to make a public apology for hiring a non-French speaking coach and promise to never do it again?

    Eric lindros refused to play for the nordiques when he was drafted and forced his way to philly thru New York! I still say rangers should've had him all those years ago BEFORE he became a head case.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,314
    I think a good measuring stick of the overall racism is the behavier of fans at sporting events towards minorities. I know the US had some problems in the past but things seem quite normal in current day. Heck, my favorite hockey player is from the former Soviet Union. But overall I don't see much discrimination with the exception of when PK Subban scores a game winning goal in Boston and twitter lights up (this is a region that likes to use the word "wicked" alot ... overall US public should not be judged).

    But compared to what I see happen at football matches in Europe and the rest of the world, we are the cat's meow.
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  • rgambs
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    Jason P said:

    I think a good measuring stick of the overall racism is the behavier of fans at sporting events towards minorities. I know the US had some problems in the past but things seem quite normal in current day. Heck, my favorite hockey player is from the former Soviet Union. But overall I don't see much discrimination with the exception of when PK Subban scores a game winning goal in Boston and twitter lights up (this is a region that likes to use the word "wicked" alot ... overall US public should not be judged).

    But compared to what I see happen at football matches in Europe and the rest of the world, we are the cat's meow.

    I think that's a terrible measuring stick considering in our popular sports the white players are the minorities. Baseball and hockey aren't that popular compared to football and basketball. In Euro soccer there are far fewer people of color and so more overt racism would be expected. Who is gonna heckle black folks openly at sporting events when practically their whole team is black?
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  • rgambs
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    Godfather. said:





    Byrnzie said:

    brianlux said:

    I know people who will disagree with me on this, but I think we still have to acknowledge one of the greatest, most horrific acts of racism of all time was AND IS the American genocide of the First Nations/Native American/American Indian people. We wiped them out, shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions. And then to add insult to injury we came up with all kinds of groovy ways to alleviate our guilt by making fake imitation dream catchers, and symbols to hang from our rear view mirrors and pendants, symbols and jewelry to hang on ourselves to become pretend Indians... while the real Indians are still being fucked.

    True. And Leonard Peltier still resides in jail today for a crime that he didn't commit back in 1976. And the majority of native Americans continue to live in abject poverty within one of the wealthiest countries on Earth.

    yes I disagree.


    Godfather.

    You disagree, you think the genocide was not racist or that it no longer needs to be acknowledged?
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    rgambs said:

    Jason P said:

    I think a good measuring stick of the overall racism is the behavier of fans at sporting events towards minorities. I know the US had some problems in the past but things seem quite normal in current day. Heck, my favorite hockey player is from the former Soviet Union. But overall I don't see much discrimination with the exception of when PK Subban scores a game winning goal in Boston and twitter lights up (this is a region that likes to use the word "wicked" alot ... overall US public should not be judged).

    But compared to what I see happen at football matches in Europe and the rest of the world, we are the cat's meow.

    I think that's a terrible measuring stick considering in our popular sports the white players are the minorities. Baseball and hockey aren't that popular compared to football and basketball. In Euro soccer there are far fewer people of color and so more overt racism would be expected. Who is gonna heckle black folks openly at sporting events when practically their whole team is black?
    http://youtu.be/RFi9-1p1LWI



    http://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2014/may/02/villarreal-fans-protest-dani-alves-banana-thrower-arrest-video

  • badbrains
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    http://youtu.be/-2CX5633olM
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,314
    badbrains said:

    http://youtu.be/-2CX5633olM

    Good grief!
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,314
    rgambs said:

    Jason P said:

    I think a good measuring stick of the overall racism is the behavier of fans at sporting events towards minorities. I know the US had some problems in the past but things seem quite normal in current day. Heck, my favorite hockey player is from the former Soviet Union. But overall I don't see much discrimination with the exception of when PK Subban scores a game winning goal in Boston and twitter lights up (this is a region that likes to use the word "wicked" alot ... overall US public should not be judged).

    But compared to what I see happen at football matches in Europe and the rest of the world, we are the cat's meow.

    I think that's a terrible measuring stick considering in our popular sports the white players are the minorities. Baseball and hockey aren't that popular compared to football and basketball. In Euro soccer there are far fewer people of color and so more overt racism would be expected. Who is gonna heckle black folks openly at sporting events when practically their whole team is black?
    I think that is a very bad example to justify fan behavier at football matches. Racism should not be tolerated by any fan base, team management, governing body, or country.
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