What's the most racist country on the planet?

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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    badbrains said:

    Pretty racist here

    http://m.hrw.org/news/2014/09/09/israel-thousands-coerced-leaving-country

    I do think that the treatment of those seeking refuge in a country is different than inherent racism found within a country. The more I read about the treatment of the Bedouins and Mizrahi Jews within Israel (in addition to the well-documented mistreatment of Arabs within both Israel and the Palestinian regions), the more I am convinced that Israel has inherent societal racism issues, and I feel that those are far greater grounds for proposing Israel as a racist state than this article.

    In regards to the scope or significance of racism as displayed by day-to-day Israeli life in comparison to this - this is certainly a sign of racism still. It seems to me that a government has several ways it can deal with those seeking refuge who are already within political borders (and I'm trying to write these in order from most to least economically beneficial): It can go the American route and turn a blind eye to the asylum-seekers' presence, allow under-the-table employment which benefits the local economy but not the refugees. It can facilitate temporary or permanent uninhibited residence within its confines, which contributes to the local economy and benefits the refugees as well, but would be a sign of introducing further non-Jewish presence within the region (something which Israel historically doesn't love). It can simply refuse their presence and facilitate return to where refugee-seekers are coming from, which in this case is horribly immoral but (and correct me if I'm wrong, as with anything I write) seemingly within the rights of leadership if they want zero burden added to their country. Finally, it can detain refugees in camps like they're doing. This costs Israeli taxpayers money in management and sustenance for both staff and refugees, and ensures that the refugees have no positive impact on the local economy. In other words, the Israeli government feels that the inherent costs of running detainment camps and the opportunity cost stemming from disallowing refugees into society is worth the risk of losing the ethnic homogeneity of Israeli society.

    ....I write these pieces very much as trains of thought with no organization and I very rarely like to pigeon-hole myself into one set of ideals, so I'll admit, by the end of writing this, I had changed my opinion of the significance of this article. This is just as blatant a sign of racism as any other well-discussed issues within Israel.

    At the end of the day, as always, I try and question what good can come from discussing these things though: I like actionable notions that can bring upon change. How do we take these thoughts from discussing injustices and inequalities to fixing injustices and inequalities?
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    I know people who will disagree with me on this, but I think we still have to acknowledge one of the greatest, most horrific acts of racism of all time was AND IS the American genocide of the First Nations/Native American/American Indian people. We wiped them out, shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions. And then to add insult to injury we came up with all kinds of groovy ways to alleviate our guilt by making fake imitation dream catchers, and symbols to hang from our rear view mirrors and pendants, symbols and jewelry to hang on ourselves to become pretend Indians... while the real Indians are still being fucked.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    brianlux said:

    I know people who will disagree with me on this, but I think we still have to acknowledge one of the greatest, most horrific acts of racism of all time was AND IS the American genocide of the First Nations/Native American/American Indian people. We wiped them out, shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions. And then to add insult to injury we came up with all kinds of groovy ways to alleviate our guilt by making fake imitation dream catchers, and symbols to hang from our rear view mirrors and pendants, symbols and jewelry to hang on ourselves to become pretend Indians... while the real Indians are still being fucked.

    An entire civilization built on genocide. And not to be forgotten, the slaves were freed and still the Native massacres, the pushing into the desert, the vilification continued. Think about the Boston busing situation, that lasted into the 80's, you simply cant have a conversation about racism without America playing the starring role.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    rgambs said:

    brianlux said:

    I know people who will disagree with me on this, but I think we still have to acknowledge one of the greatest, most horrific acts of racism of all time was AND IS the American genocide of the First Nations/Native American/American Indian people. We wiped them out, shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions. And then to add insult to injury we came up with all kinds of groovy ways to alleviate our guilt by making fake imitation dream catchers, and symbols to hang from our rear view mirrors and pendants, symbols and jewelry to hang on ourselves to become pretend Indians... while the real Indians are still being fucked.

    An entire civilization built on genocide. And not to be forgotten, the slaves were freed and still the Native massacres, the pushing into the desert, the vilification continued. Think about the Boston busing situation, that lasted into the 80's, you simply cant have a conversation about racism without America playing the starring role.
    So true, rgambs. Well said.

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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    I don't think any country can claim that no racism exists.
    We have a lot of immigration in my country and I wouldn't say it's working without any problems.
    It's not a huge problem but racism exists in all directions also towards swedes from immigrants and also between immigrant groups.

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  • rgambs
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    Is it racist to think all Swedes are blonde, the women are all gorgeous, and the men are 8ft tall with massive muscles? I might be a little bit racist ;)
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,314
    Annafalk said:

    I don't think any country can claim that no racism exists.
    We have a lot of immigration in my country and I wouldn't say it's working without any problems.
    It's not a huge problem but racism exists in all directions also towards swedes from immigrants and also between immigrant groups.

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  • Annafalk
    Annafalk Sweden Posts: 4,004
    edited September 2014
    rgambs said:

    Is it racist to think all Swedes are blonde, the women are all gorgeous, and the men are 8ft tall with massive muscles? I might be a little bit racist ;)

    Jason P said:

    Annafalk said:

    I don't think any country can claim that no racism exists.
    We have a lot of immigration in my country and I wouldn't say it's working without any problems.
    It's not a huge problem but racism exists in all directions also towards swedes from immigrants and also between immigrant groups.

    Peace

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    Thank you, kindly :\"> >:D<
    (rgambs, just a little of a stereotype that's not really the reality :)
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  • unsung
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    brianlux said:

    shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions.


    And that sums up welfare in general, it remains current policy.
  • fuck
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    benjs said:

    badbrains said:

    Pretty racist here

    http://m.hrw.org/news/2014/09/09/israel-thousands-coerced-leaving-country

    I do think that the treatment of those seeking refuge in a country is different than inherent racism found within a country. The more I read about the treatment of the Bedouins and Mizrahi Jews within Israel (in addition to the well-documented mistreatment of Arabs within both Israel and the Palestinian regions), the more I am convinced that Israel has inherent societal racism issues, and I feel that those are far greater grounds for proposing Israel as a racist state than this article.
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    You mean the settler-colonial project whose citizens think they are "God's chosen people" and are thereby allowed to "cleanse" the land of its indigenous people because God gave it to them...is racist?!
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    rgambs said:

    Is it racist to think all Swedes are blonde, the women are all gorgeous, and the men are 8ft tall with massive muscles? I might be a little bit racist ;)

    Drats entered wrong thread yet again. Leaving slowly and quietly. Shhhh I was never here.

    Surely the gun violence thread is safe.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    fuck said:

    benjs said:

    badbrains said:

    Pretty racist here

    http://m.hrw.org/news/2014/09/09/israel-thousands-coerced-leaving-country

    I do think that the treatment of those seeking refuge in a country is different than inherent racism found within a country. The more I read about the treatment of the Bedouins and Mizrahi Jews within Israel (in addition to the well-documented mistreatment of Arabs within both Israel and the Palestinian regions), the more I am convinced that Israel has inherent societal racism issues, and I feel that those are far greater grounds for proposing Israel as a racist state than this article.
    :-O :-O :-O
    You mean the settler-colonial project whose citizens think they are "God's chosen people" and are thereby allowed to "cleanse" the land of its indigenous people because God gave it to them...is racist?!
    But they are savages. Evil doers. ISIS!!! Damn injuns!!!
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    edited September 2014
    I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    brianlux said:

    shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions.


    And that sums up welfare in general, it remains current policy.
    That's quite a stretch there. Does that sum up the disability and Medicaid benefits my brother receives for his rare kidney disease that makes him unable to work? Does it sum up the WIC program? Does it sum up social security for retirees? All are considered "welfare". Or does it just sum the conservative talking points that come up when the word "welfare" is mentioned?
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  • blueandwhite
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    PJ_Soul said:

    I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.

    While I don't necessarily believe that any of the countries you've mentioned are the most racist places on earth, we are hardly the ideal when it comes to racial tolerance. In Canada we invite newcomers into the country but we continue to mistreat and marginalize our First Peoples. We also have a pretty lousy relationship with Quebec and we are by no means perfect when it comes to the treatment of racial minorities. We may not be the worst in the world, but we should definitely be part of the discussion.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    PJ_Soul said:

    I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.

    Using that definition I would nominate North Korea.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    unsung said:

    brianlux said:

    shoved them around, herded the survivors on to shit hole pieces of land, shoved alcohol down their throats, gave them a few dollars- just enough to live on but not enough to move up- and proselytized them with our phoney religions.


    And that sums up welfare in general, it remains current policy.
    Maybe, but in the case of the various Indian populations I think it is more like an extension on our treaty-breaking practices.

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    blueandwhite said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.

    While I don't necessarily believe that any of the countries you've mentioned are the most racist places on earth, we are hardly the ideal when it comes to racial tolerance. In Canada we invite newcomers into the country but we continue to mistreat and marginalize our First Peoples. We also have a pretty lousy relationship with Quebec and we are by no means perfect when it comes to the treatment of racial minorities. We may not be the worst in the world, but we should definitely be part of the discussion.
    Does the rest of Canada have a problem with Quebec... or is it the other way around?
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    blueandwhite said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    I would think that the most racist countries would be the most exclusionary, i.e. least welcoming to people from other places, or places that have different laws for people of different ethnicities and religions and shit like that. Canada and the US (or Australia) certainly don't apply.

    While I don't necessarily believe that any of the countries you've mentioned are the most racist places on earth, we are hardly the ideal when it comes to racial tolerance. In Canada we invite newcomers into the country but we continue to mistreat and marginalize our First Peoples. We also have a pretty lousy relationship with Quebec and we are by no means perfect when it comes to the treatment of racial minorities. We may not be the worst in the world, but we should definitely be part of the discussion.
    Does the rest of Canada have a problem with Quebec... or is it the other way around?
    My experience in Quebec- and granted, this was many years ago and things may have changed- but my experience was that it was the most unfriendly place I'd ever been to.

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