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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    It's hypocritical.

    When they give up their armed guards then make a video. Until then they should stfu.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    They should "stfu"? The First Amendment is not nearly as important as the precious Second Amendment, apparently.





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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    They don't care about my 2nd, why should I care about their 1st?
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    Because the rights argument is one that gun advocates push all the time. Weakens that case to suggest others should not be exercising their own rights.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to their difficulties that they face in life. However when a group wants to deny me my rights I lose any respect for them, they brought it upon themselves.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    edited August 2014
    unsung said:

    Forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to their difficulties that they face in life. However when a group wants to deny me my rights I lose any respect for them, they brought it upon themselves.

    And that can be turned right back around. Due to ones want to have a gun it takes away my rights to live in safe environment. Also celebrities could get rid of their body guards with guns if we didn't have a gun free for all.
    Post edited by callen on
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  • goingtoverona
    goingtoverona Posts: 616
    yeah i'm with callen except i'll change gun to car. so due to ones want to have a car, it takes away my right to live in a safe environment. if you think you are more likely to be shot than run over, I think you have that irrational fear I keep hearing about.

    and @thirty, I agree the trade off is weak. people die so I can shoot shit. yeah that sucks, but for the life of me I can't figure out why it sucks more than, people die so I can drive to the mall without my armpits sweating. I know for you it's about an items purpose, if it has a purpose it's all good if it kills. and how convenient for you that everything except for guns falls into that category.

    it comes down to putting certain people on that infamous pedestal. I appreciate that people killed by guns are the most important in the world to you, but surely you can appreciate that just because I don't pick the same people as you, doesn't mean i'm wrong. i'm sticking with people killed by cars on my pedestal. we don't need them, they kill babies up to old folks, they kill an unimaginable number of animals every year, all the while dumping out shit tons of pollution into our atmosphere. how could anyone think that's acceptable to live with?

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    goingtoverona said:

    yeah i'm with callen except i'll change gun to car. so due to ones want to have a car, it takes away my right to live in a safe environment. if you think you are more likely to be shot than run over, I think you have that irrational fear I keep hearing about.

    and @thirty, I agree the trade off is weak. people die so I can shoot shit. yeah that sucks, but for the life of me I can't figure out why it sucks more than, people die so I can drive to the mall without my armpits sweating. I know for you it's about an items purpose, if it has a purpose it's all good if it kills. and how convenient for you that everything except for guns falls into that category.

    it comes down to putting certain people on that infamous pedestal. I appreciate that people killed by guns are the most important in the world to you, but surely you can appreciate that just because I don't pick the same people as you, doesn't mean i'm wrong. i'm sticking with people killed by cars on my pedestal. we don't need them, they kill babies up to old folks, they kill an unimaginable number of animals every year, all the while dumping out shit tons of pollution into our atmosphere. how could anyone think that's acceptable to live with?

    See my offering in the other thread about the 9 year old girl. The response could suffice for this post as well.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    goingtoverona said:

    yeah i'm with callen except i'll change gun to car. so due to ones want to have a car, it takes away my right to live in a safe environment. if you think you are more likely to be shot than run over, I think you have that irrational fear I keep hearing about.

    and @thirty, I agree the trade off is weak. people die so I can shoot shit. yeah that sucks, but for the life of me I can't figure out why it sucks more than, people die so I can drive to the mall without my armpits sweating. I know for you it's about an items purpose, if it has a purpose it's all good if it kills. and how convenient for you that everything except for guns falls into that category.

    it comes down to putting certain people on that infamous pedestal. I appreciate that people killed by guns are the most important in the world to you, but surely you can appreciate that just because I don't pick the same people as you, doesn't mean i'm wrong. i'm sticking with people killed by cars on my pedestal. we don't need them, they kill babies up to old folks, they kill an unimaginable number of animals every year, all the while dumping out shit tons of pollution into our atmosphere. how could anyone think that's acceptable to live with?

    Yeah yeah yeah. Car gun comparisons been rehashed and rehashed.

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,665
    callen said:

    goingtoverona said:

    yeah i'm with callen except i'll change gun to car. so due to ones want to have a car, it takes away my right to live in a safe environment. if you think you are more likely to be shot than run over, I think you have that irrational fear I keep hearing about.

    and @thirty, I agree the trade off is weak. people die so I can shoot shit. yeah that sucks, but for the life of me I can't figure out why it sucks more than, people die so I can drive to the mall without my armpits sweating. I know for you it's about an items purpose, if it has a purpose it's all good if it kills. and how convenient for you that everything except for guns falls into that category.

    it comes down to putting certain people on that infamous pedestal. I appreciate that people killed by guns are the most important in the world to you, but surely you can appreciate that just because I don't pick the same people as you, doesn't mean i'm wrong. i'm sticking with people killed by cars on my pedestal. we don't need them, they kill babies up to old folks, they kill an unimaginable number of animals every year, all the while dumping out shit tons of pollution into our atmosphere. how could anyone think that's acceptable to live with?

    Yeah yeah yeah. Car gun comparisons been rehashed and rehashed.

    Yep. Never works.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    callen said:

    unsung said:

    Forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to their difficulties that they face in life. However when a group wants to deny me my rights I lose any respect for them, they brought it upon themselves.

    And that can be turned right back around. Due to ones want to have a gun it takes away my rights to live in safe environment. Also celebrities could get rid of their body guards with guns if we didn't have a gun free for all.
    Having a handgun has made me safer. I had to shoot a rabid dog with a handgun (cannot really carry a shotgun everywhere I go) while working on a ranch. Why should someone's fear of handguns deny me my right to protect myself and live in a safer environment?
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I'm glad it kept you safe...but jeez, I just had flashbacks to Old Yeller :(

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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    hedonist said:

    I'm glad it kept you safe...but jeez, I just had flashbacks to Old Yeller :(

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    Lol, I don't know that I could have shot Old Yeller! I would have just ended up with rabies myself. This was some stray pit bull looking thing that was in pretty bad shape.

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    I understand - Yeller was the first thing that came to mind.

    And I'm sorry - I shouldn't have made light of what must have been difficult for you...though humane for the dog.
  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    callen said:

    goingtoverona said:

    yeah i'm with callen except i'll change gun to car. so due to ones want to have a car, it takes away my right to live in a safe environment. if you think you are more likely to be shot than run over, I think you have that irrational fear I keep hearing about.

    and @thirty, I agree the trade off is weak. people die so I can shoot shit. yeah that sucks, but for the life of me I can't figure out why it sucks more than, people die so I can drive to the mall without my armpits sweating. I know for you it's about an items purpose, if it has a purpose it's all good if it kills. and how convenient for you that everything except for guns falls into that category.

    it comes down to putting certain people on that infamous pedestal. I appreciate that people killed by guns are the most important in the world to you, but surely you can appreciate that just because I don't pick the same people as you, doesn't mean i'm wrong. i'm sticking with people killed by cars on my pedestal. we don't need them, they kill babies up to old folks, they kill an unimaginable number of animals every year, all the while dumping out shit tons of pollution into our atmosphere. how could anyone think that's acceptable to live with?

    Yeah yeah yeah. Car gun comparisons been rehashed and rehashed.

    The funny thing is, cars are far more regulated than firearms.
    PJPOWER said:


    callen said:

    unsung said:

    Forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to their difficulties that they face in life. However when a group wants to deny me my rights I lose any respect for them, they brought it upon themselves.

    And that can be turned right back around. Due to ones want to have a gun it takes away my rights to live in safe environment. Also celebrities could get rid of their body guards with guns if we didn't have a gun free for all.
    Having a handgun has made me safer. I had to shoot a rabid dog with a handgun (cannot really carry a shotgun everywhere I go) while working on a ranch. Why should someone's fear of handguns deny me my right to protect myself and live in a safer environment?
    I respect your right to your gun. Gun ownership is very clearly an integral part of America's cultural identity and as such, I don't have a problem with it within the confines of the United States. Having said that, I do not believe firearms create a safer environment. Sure, there are many wonderful anecdotal examples of Americans defending themselves with their firearms but I can't help but wonder why many other industrial nations do so well without such extensive gun ownership.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited September 2014
    blueandwhite said:



    The funny thing is, cars are far more regulated than firearms.

    Using a car isn't a right, owning a firearm is.

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    unsung said:

    blueandwhite said:



    The funny thing is, cars are far more regulated than firearms.

    Using a car isn't a right, owning a firearm is.

    But don't you think basic safety and common sense practices / checks should be in place for both?

    Free speech is a right, but it doesn't give carte blanche for people act recklessly or put others in danger.

  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    unsung said:

    blueandwhite said:



    The funny thing is, cars are far more regulated than firearms.

    Using a car isn't a right, owning a firearm is.

    I suppose this is one of the reasons I appreciate living in Canada. Just like operating a car, owning a firearm up here isn't a right either. The right to be reckless and irresponsible to the detriment of your friends and neighbours isn't something I'm particularly interested in as a Canadian. I'm more than happy to see those rights remain in the United States.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    hedonist said:

    unsung said:

    blueandwhite said:



    The funny thing is, cars are far more regulated than firearms.

    Using a car isn't a right, owning a firearm is.

    But don't you think basic safety and common sense practices / checks should be in place for both?

    Free speech is a right, but it doesn't give carte blanche for people act recklessly or put others in danger.


    There are checks in place. Most "common-sense" practices are anything but.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    PJPOWER said:


    callen said:

    unsung said:

    Forgive me if I'm not sympathetic to their difficulties that they face in life. However when a group wants to deny me my rights I lose any respect for them, they brought it upon themselves.

    And that can be turned right back around. Due to ones want to have a gun it takes away my rights to live in safe environment. Also celebrities could get rid of their body guards with guns if we didn't have a gun free for all.
    Having a handgun has made me safer. I had to shoot a rabid dog with a handgun (cannot really carry a shotgun everywhere I go) while working on a ranch. Why should someone's fear of handguns deny me my right to protect myself and live in a safer environment?
    Can justify all you like. I know on the whole we all have higher chance of being injured or killed by a gun versus a Western European country that isn't inundated with guns.

    Gun culture has made this country worse.
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