what do you think of America's leadership sense obama got elected ?

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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Guitar92player said:

    Didn't read through the comments, but my opinion is yeah, he is not the greatest President, but Congress has been fucking terrible and they and him are not working together. I am just glad he had Osama killed (I know he didn't do it personally, but he gave the order) and he pulled most troops out of Iraq and ended a stupid war that was a waste of American lives.

    Right about congress.
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    Obama had Usama executed, a trial, that would of been something.

    and what 'war' did Obama end? Pulling troops out, then replacing many of them with black water type groups, now sending more US troops back cause things are going crazy in Iraq.

    The war is not over, its just on another level, a new front perhaps.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Idris said:

    Guitar92player said:

    Didn't read through the comments, but my opinion is yeah, he is not the greatest President, but Congress has been fucking terrible and they and him are not working together. I am just glad he had Osama killed (I know he didn't do it personally, but he gave the order) and he pulled most troops out of Iraq and ended a stupid war that was a waste of American lives.

    Right about congress.
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    Obama had Usama executed, a trial, that would of been something.

    and what 'war' did Obama end? Pulling troops out, then replacing many of them with black water type groups, now sending more US troops back cause things are going crazy in Iraq.

    The war is not over, its just on another level, a new front perhaps.
    There was no need for a trial.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,594
    A trial for bin laden would have been a circus.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    the hunt for bin laden started long before obama got in,he had to o.k the hit on him or he would have been labeled a trater......come to think of it he has been anyway.

    Godfather.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Bin laden has been dead for many years, unless they release the photos I'll continue to believe it's an act.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    unsung said:

    Bin laden has been dead for many years, unless they release the photos I'll continue to believe it's an act.

    sorry, are you saying that you need to see pictures of Bin Laden dead to believe that its not a lie?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I'm saying his supposed death was an act.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited August 2014
    There aren't enough options in this poll.
    Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.

    Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    edited August 2014
    unsung said:

    I'm saying his supposed death was an act.

    And you thought my JFK bullet conspiracy theory would bring the black Tahoes! Lol.Ok then what happened ?
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Some of the posts are just baffling. I mean I remember how much I thought Bush was an idiot and can see how some feel same way about Obama but to clearly distort reality to fit ones agenda and needs just blows me away.

    Freakin Fox News works. It's affective. No doubt.
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    PJ_Soul said:

    There aren't enough options in this poll.
    Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.

    Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.

    Give examples of what you think. Obama's done that's been bad?

    No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.
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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    JimmyV said:

    A trial for bin laden would have been a circus.

    Perhaps...But regardless, we should have some standards, follow some law, not just go around invading countries, bombing people, supporting crazy folks, executions.

    These things matter, it all matters.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    these things do matter! Today its Bin Laden, tomorrow it could be anybody.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,594
    Idris said:

    JimmyV said:

    A trial for bin laden would have been a circus.

    Perhaps...But regardless, we should have some standards, follow some law, not just go around invading countries, bombing people, supporting crazy folks, executions.

    These things matter, it all matters.
    You are lumping quite a few other things in with the execution of Osama bin Laden.



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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    PJ_Soul said:


    Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.

    How do you figure Obama is a LOT better than Bush? Because he is a lot smarter than Bush?

    They both have been/are responsible for the death of many innocent lives. They both are = garbage, is one piece of trash really higher than the other?
    JimmyV said:

    Idris said:

    JimmyV said:

    A trial for bin laden would have been a circus.

    Perhaps...But regardless, we should have some standards, follow some law, not just go around invading countries, bombing people, supporting crazy folks, executions.

    These things matter, it all matters.
    You are lumping quite a few other things in with the execution of Osama bin Laden.



    Yes, its all related.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited August 2014
    callen said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There aren't enough options in this poll.
    Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.

    Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.

    Give examples of what you think. Obama's done that's been bad?

    No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.
    IMHO, the worst things that Obama has done is defend the NSA and support a witch hunt of NSA whistle blowers, and to continue support of Israel. Also allowing the increase of the use of drones, both overseas and domestically.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    PJ_Soul said:

    callen said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There aren't enough options in this poll.
    Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.

    Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.

    Give examples of what you think. Obama's done that's been bad?

    No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.
    IMHO, the worst things that Obama has done is defend the NSA and support a witch hunt of NSA whistle blowers, and to continue support of Israel. Also allowing the increase of the use of drones, both overseas and domestically.
    Mass data collection,spying, dropping bombs on people. Those are really bad things,

    Still not sure how he is a LOT better than Bush.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    callen said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There aren't enough options in this poll.
    Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.

    Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.

    Give examples of what you think. Obama's done that's been bad?

    No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.

    I guess that's better than having a blurred reality on reality.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    unsung said:

    callen said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There aren't enough options in this poll.
    Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.

    Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.

    Give examples of what you think. Obama's done that's been bad?

    No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.

    I guess that's better than having a blurred reality on reality.
    Says the guy who thinks the bin laden hit was an act
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    Idris said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    callen said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    There aren't enough options in this poll.
    Obama has done some very good things, some very bad things, and some things that are pretty okay to so-so.

    Obama is a LOT better than Bush was though.

    Give examples of what you think. Obama's done that's been bad?

    No not you GF or Unsung you both have blurred realities on Obama.
    IMHO, the worst things that Obama has done is defend the NSA and support a witch hunt of NSA whistle blowers, and to continue support of Israel. Also allowing the increase of the use of drones, both overseas and domestically.
    Mass data collection,spying, dropping bombs on people. Those are really bad things,

    Still not sure how he is a LOT better than Bush.
    Because Bush did all of those thing plus a bunch of other very terrible things the Obama doesn't do (hello, Iraq war! Hello religion running the white house! Hello being against gay rights and the right of women to choose, not to mention that he's a fucking moron and complete joke to pretty much everyone in the world), and oversaw the near total collapse of the US economy, while Obama has overseen a fairly extraordinary economic recovery considering where he had to start. I also happen to support Obamacare as a good first step in making the US Healthcare system a humane one.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata

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