what do you think of America's leadership sense obama got elected ?

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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    There is Buzz in Fl that Jeb will run.
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    rr165892 said:

    There is Buzz in Fl that Jeb will run.

    Funny Hillary against Bush.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    Actually would be a close race
  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    mikepegg44 said:



    My unsolicited advice: Quit worrying about it and just take care of you and yours the best you can while being nice to everyone else. Don't wait for the federal gov't to do anything and just start pushing for change in local behavior and gov't. I am done worrying over things I cannot control, I am done worrying about politics the game...and I do blame that on leadership, but it isn't Obama's fault, the entire country is to blame for the "leadership" in Washington.

    Completely agree.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,175
    JimmyV said:

    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.

    do you have any evidence of this?

    the republican'ts have managed to alienate every single voting group that they would need to carry in order to win.

    here is a general list of people republicans have alienated.

    union workers
    latinos
    gays
    african americans
    the poor
    WOMEN
    muslims, or religious folk who identify as anything other than "christian"
    scientists
    people younger than age 50
    teachers
    service industry workers
    environmentalists
    just to name a few.

    in my mind, by looking at this list, the only people that the republicans have in the bag are rich, old, white men, and people in the above groups who are stupid enough to vote against their own interests.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    rr165892 said:

    Actually would be a close race

    With bush taking Florida ? Looking forward. Will be entertaining for sure.
    10-18-2000 Houston, 04-06-2003 Houston, 6-25-2003 Toronto, 10-8-2004 Kissimmee, 9-4-2005 Calgary, 12-3-05 Sao Paulo, 7-2-2006 Denver, 7-22-06 Gorge, 7-23-2006 Gorge, 9-13-2006 Bern, 6-22-2008 DC, 6-24-2008 MSG, 6-25-2008 MSG
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    JimmyV said:

    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.

    and people in the above groups who are stupid enough to vote against their own interests.
    There are unfortunately many in this group. Also many that may have been motivated to come out for Obama may not show for Hilary.

    Now Obama may stay active and help the dems. Will be fun.
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    JimmyV said:

    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.

    do you have any evidence of this?

    the republican'ts have managed to alienate every single voting group that they would need to carry in order to win.

    here is a general list of people republicans have alienated.

    union workers
    latinos
    gays
    african americans
    the poor
    WOMEN
    muslims, or religious folk who identify as anything other than "christian"
    scientists
    people younger than age 50
    teachers
    service industry workers
    environmentalists
    just to name a few.

    in my mind, by looking at this list, the only people that the republicans have in the bag are rich, old, white men, and people in the above groups who are stupid enough to vote against their own interests.
    Don't agree at all.I know a lot of female republicans(Hot ones might I Add),I know a lot of young progressive thinking Republicans,And FyI Almost the entire Cuban community in Fl is Republican.Of course most people who earn a lot of jack tend to be regardless of color.I think its more Where u live.Your in St.louis right?Thats a pretty blue area isn't it?Down here in the south it's mostly republican especially along financial earning lines.
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    callen said:

    rr165892 said:

    Actually would be a close race

    With bush taking Florida ? Looking forward. Will be entertaining for sure.
    Some think Rubio also has interest but that would not be a wise move IMO
  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    rr165892 said:

    callen said:

    rr165892 said:

    Actually would be a close race

    With bush taking Florida ? Looking forward. Will be entertaining for sure.
    Some think Rubio also has interest but that would not be a wise move IMO
    Yeah he's burned few bridges and Texas a lock. So how bout Christie. He's got that likability thing going. Moderate. Think republicans best shot.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,667
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    JimmyV said:

    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.

    do you have any evidence of this?

    the republican'ts have managed to alienate every single voting group that they would need to carry in order to win.

    here is a general list of people republicans have alienated.

    union workers
    latinos
    gays
    african americans
    the poor
    WOMEN
    muslims, or religious folk who identify as anything other than "christian"
    scientists
    people younger than age 50
    teachers
    service industry workers
    environmentalists
    just to name a few.

    in my mind, by looking at this list, the only people that the republicans have in the bag are rich, old, white men, and people in the above groups who are stupid enough to vote against their own interests.
    Totally agree i guess some people have already forgotten what lost the last election for Romney he totally alienated most if not all on this list ....
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    unsung said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

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    gimmesometruth27 said:

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    gimmesometruth27 said:

    unsung said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:




    dude, obama is not a fucking king. he can't just absorb territory and keep an army there because it pleases the king.

    get a grip.

    bush never had this amount of opposition in congress. i would like to see anyone else get what they want out of the last 2 do nothing congresses.

    From 2008-2010 Congress was Democrat, let's not forget that.



    even if the dems held the house, what happens when something passes the house and then gets filibustered in the senate???

    NOTHING.
    Excuses.

    excuses, no my friend, that is a fact. you don't like it that i am right. he had a veto proof majority for about 14 weeks. 14 weeks is nothing in the scheme of 2 4 year terms. nobody could get anything passed in the current climate. not even jesus himself.

    you seem to be fairly good handle on civics, but do you know what a filibuster is and how it works? nobody can get anything passed once the filibuster is enacted.

    pelosi passed a jobs bill in the house. filibustered in the senate.

    these bills all passed the house and died in the senate due to filibuster...

    H.R. 12 - Paycheck Fairness Act
    H.R. 448 -- Elder Abuse Victims Act
    H.R. 466 - Wounded Veteran Job Security Act
    H.R. 515 - Radioactive Import Deterrence Act
    H.R. 549 -- National Bombing Prevention Act
    H.R. 577 - Vision Care for Kids Act
    H.R. 626 - Federal Employees Paid Parental Leave Act
    H.R. 1029 - Alien Smuggling and Terrorism Prevention Act
    H.R. 1168 -- Veterans Retraining Act
    H.R. 1171 - Homeless Veterans Reintegration Program Reauthorization
    H.R. 1293 -- Disabled Veterans Home Improvement and Structural Alteration Grant Increase Act
    H.R. 1429 -- Stop AIDS in Prison Act
    H.R.5281 -- DREAM Act
    S.3985 -- Emergency Senior Citizens Relief Act
    S.3816 -- Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act
    S.3369 -- A bill to provide for additional disclosure requirements for corporations, labor organizations, Super PACs and other entities
    S.2237 -- Small Business Jobs and Tax Relief Act
    S.2343 -- Stop the Student Loan Interest Rate Hike Act
    S.1660 -- American Jobs Act of 2011
    S.3457 -- Veterans Jobs Corps Act
    James Zadroga 9/11 Health Bill -- seeks to provide free medical coverage for responders and survivors who were exposed to toxins after the attacks - this one passed in the House but could not get brought up in the Senate.

    keep dismissing it as an excuse. this is how our legislative branch works now. the house passes something, the senate republicans filibuster it. period, end of sentence.

    Good, looks like we saved a lot of spending.
    many of those were not necessarily "spending" bills.

    really?? you would have opposed the "small business jobs and tax relief act"??? that is right up conservative alley.

    Ok, I'm not a conservative.
    is ron paul conservative?

    On some things, on others he is quite liberal, that's why he has been called a Libertarian. I know you understand why he couldn't run as one.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,600
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    JimmyV said:

    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.

    do you have any evidence of this?

    the republican'ts have managed to alienate every single voting group that they would need to carry in order to win.

    here is a general list of people republicans have alienated.

    union workers
    latinos
    gays
    african americans
    the poor
    WOMEN
    muslims, or religious folk who identify as anything other than "christian"
    scientists
    people younger than age 50
    teachers
    service industry workers
    environmentalists
    just to name a few.

    in my mind, by looking at this list, the only people that the republicans have in the bag are rich, old, white men, and people in the above groups who are stupid enough to vote against their own interests.
    No evidence, no, just a feeling that is which way the wind is blowing. They are a lock to keep the House and have a strong chance at taking the Senate, even with all the alienation you describe. Hillary is NOT a strong candidate and will bring out Republicans in numbers that dwarf anything Obama saw in 2008 and 2012.

    Plus, holding the White House for more than two consecutive terms is super hard for either party. Reagan to George H.W. Bush is the only time in our lifetime it has happened.
    ___________________________________________

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,175
    rr165892 said:

    callen said:

    rr165892 said:

    Actually would be a close race

    With bush taking Florida ? Looking forward. Will be entertaining for sure.
    Some think Rubio also has interest but that would not be a wise move IMO
    rubio has almost zero chance.

    many consider him the "uncle tom" of americans of latino descent.

    he bailed on his own immigration bill because obama did not disagree with it, and he could not convince his own party to support it.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,175
    rr165892 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    JimmyV said:

    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.

    do you have any evidence of this?

    the republican'ts have managed to alienate every single voting group that they would need to carry in order to win.

    here is a general list of people republicans have alienated.

    union workers
    latinos
    gays
    african americans
    the poor
    WOMEN
    muslims, or religious folk who identify as anything other than "christian"
    scientists
    people younger than age 50
    teachers
    service industry workers
    environmentalists
    just to name a few.

    in my mind, by looking at this list, the only people that the republicans have in the bag are rich, old, white men, and people in the above groups who are stupid enough to vote against their own interests.
    Don't agree at all.I know a lot of female republicans(Hot ones might I Add),I know a lot of young progressive thinking Republicans,And FyI Almost the entire Cuban community in Fl is Republican.Of course most people who earn a lot of jack tend to be regardless of color.I think its more Where u live.Your in St.louis right?Thats a pretty blue area isn't it?Down here in the south it's mostly republican especially along financial earning lines.
    "hot" female republicans do not make them intelligent. look no further than fox news for proof of that. "hotness" is fleeting. i have been to florida 10 times or so and i have seen that with my own eyes.

    cubans have historically voted republican, which is why i am surprised rubio has fucked it up so badly for himself among cuban voters.

    missouri is a pretty red state, outside of st louis and kansas city. those cities and the surrounding areas are what keep missouri blue on some federal elections. we have a blue governor but there is not consensus on the house or senate here. our legislature is too busy trying to get rid of our governor to do anything that helps anybody in this state, lest jay nixon get any credit for it. i can say this as a missourian. missourians are pretty dumb for the most part. all it takes to win an election around here is repeatedly talk about freedom, 9/11, how big government is bad, and how you will oppose obamacare, even though it is federal law and nothing can be done about it on the municipal level... :fp:
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    "hot" female republicans do not make them intelligent. look no further than fox news for proof of that. "hotness" is fleeting. i have been to florida 10 times or so and i have seen that with my own eyes.

    That is the stereotype for sure,I wasn't even thinking about them.The women I was talking about are quite sharp and engaging.Lot of our local Buisness women and Professionals
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    JimmyV said:

    I think the Republicans are going to win the White House in 2016. Perhaps the most undeserved victory in human history, but I do think it will happen.

    do you have any evidence of this?

    the republican'ts have managed to alienate every single voting group that they would need to carry in order to win.

    here is a general list of people republicans have alienated.

    union workers
    latinos
    gays
    african americans
    the poor
    WOMEN
    muslims, or religious folk who identify as anything other than "christian"
    scientists
    people younger than age 50
    teachers
    service industry workers
    environmentalists
    just to name a few.

    in my mind, by looking at this list, the only people that the republicans have in the bag are rich, old, white men, and people in the above groups who are stupid enough to vote against their own interests.
    Doesn't matter if the only people who show up to vote are "stupid or rich old and white." Will voting for Hillary really create the same enthusiasm as was created for President Obama? I don't know.

    I understand what you mean by your last comment, but I have to say it bothers me as I have heard it many times before in many different venues. I will most likely never vote for a democratic party candidate again, I also am neither rich or old and will probably be only one of those things later in life. I could get behind programs that give me more and legislation that takes more of someone else's money and try to vote myself all sorts of creature comforts, but to use your terminology, I am not "stupid" enough to believe that there won't be long term ramifications for everyone up to and including bankrupting the government.

    I don't think liberals and democrats are stupid, I am not sure why people who aren't rich and don't support those political affiliations are stupid, probably not what you meant but certainly the way I read it.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Godfather... can you please edit the thread title so that 'sense' reads as 'since'?

    The typo keeps jumping out at me like a big pimple on the end of someone's nose- I can't overlook it no matter how hard I try (my AAA personality prevents me from doing so).
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    callen said:

    Romney's running? Moderate republican ditching "real" conservative social issues could win. Be interesting.

    So GF WHO's your favorite right now?

    not sure yet I can't stand anybody right now but Sara Palin is looking hot as ever....I can't vote for her but she's still hot. :))

    Godfather.

  • backseatLover12
    backseatLover12 Posts: 2,312
    gimmesometruth27 said:


    do you have any evidence of this?

    the republican'ts have managed to alienate every single voting group that they would need to carry in order to win.

    here is a general list of people republicans have alienated.

    union workers
    latinos
    gays
    african americans
    the poor
    WOMEN
    muslims, or religious folk who identify as anything other than "christian"
    scientists
    people younger than age 50
    teachers
    service industry workers
    environmentalists
    just to name a few.

    in my mind, by looking at this list, the only people that the republicans have in the bag are rich, old, white men, and people in the above groups who are stupid enough to vote against their own interests.

    This is EXACTLY the reason the republican party will self-implode.

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