what do you think of America's leadership sense obama got elected ?

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,175
    unsung said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:




    dude, obama is not a fucking king. he can't just absorb territory and keep an army there because it pleases the king.

    get a grip.

    bush never had this amount of opposition in congress. i would like to see anyone else get what they want out of the last 2 do nothing congresses.

    From 2008-2010 Congress was Democrat, let's not forget that.



    even if the dems held the house, what happens when something passes the house and then gets filibustered in the senate???

    NOTHING.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,175
    rgambs said:

    i dont defend obama because i think he is a success..i defend him because the criticisms of him are often based in racism, and even more often are just plain ludicrous. GOP congressionals LITERALLY refuse to do the job they were elected for and the blame goes to obama. I have yet to see a single Independant, Libertarian, or Republican have the balls to address the obstructionism of Bohner's house.

    i agree.

    the reason why none of them speak out is the gop will eat it's own. if you are not in lock step with the party, they will primary you, and you will lose. the only reason they are not eating rand paul right now is because of ron paul's lengthy service. rick perry is attacking rand right now, and people are pretty much ignoring him, thankfully.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    JimmyV said:

    Last-12-Exit said:

    Obama lied to get health care passed. Bush lied to get a war passed. Clinton lied about an affair. The legacy of the last 3 presidents are all based on lies. And your asking about leadership? The "leadership" in politics in this country is a joke.

    Look at what those three lies were about. One of these things just doesn't belong here, one if these things just isn't the same...

    That aside, you are correct. The political and governmental leadership in this country is a joke.
    Dems are the party of women but when their leader abuses his power and position to take advantage of women it is no big deal.

    Tired of hearing excuses that Obama is just following inititiatives or enactments that Bush passed. Either you do or don't like Bush, so if you hate Bush then it is a failure of Obama to fail to change a Bush enactment. If Obama tried to keep troops in Iraq and Malaki said no then Obama failed. Enough excuses.
    oh so he should have told maliki to shut up and kept our troops there? is that what you would have done?? the gop wanted our troops out of there, our citizens wanted our troops out of there, the rest of the world wanted our troops out of there, IRAQ wanted our troops out of there.

    we got kicked out of iraq. there is nothing obama could have done about. bush signed the status of forces agreement, not obama.

    next....
    The list of people Obama can't negotiate with is growing...

    You said in your post that Obama tried to keep troops in Iraq so I was pointing out that he failed on his objective. I don't care what you or the republicans or the people wanted. You said Obama wanted to keep troops there and he couldn't do it.

    You ask what he was supposed to do...well, I didn't realize foreign diplomacy was so easy and that countries always did what we wanted without any question or negotiation.

    Point ....there is always an excuse for what Obama does or doesn't do. Always someone else's fault, or an excuse that Bush did it too (which I find amazing that people who hate Bush will defend Obama by saying Bush did it too).

    dude, obama is not a fucking king. he can't just absorb territory and keep an army there because it pleases the king.

    get a grip.

    bush never had this amount of opposition in congress. i would like to see anyone else get what they want out of the last 2 do nothing congresses.
    These are important points. I hope history (at least) will show that, imperfect though he is, Obama has been heavily stymied throughout his presidency and as a result has made less progress than he would have if he had the relative cake-walk Bush enjoyed.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,437
    chadwick said:

    where are the voting results? so far i see zero. hilarious, no one is voting. damn funny

    Typical Americans
    Dont take the opportunity to vote
    But complain about everything








    I blame Obama
  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    rriigghhtt... you tell em, bentleyspop
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    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:


    i hope you never become a refugee. i would hate for you to be inconvenienced by being told that as an american you aren't welcome into a certain place.


    That's the thing, they were never refugees until recently, it's just a media term used to gain sympathy while ignoring the issue that we invite the trouble.
    in my opinion (not that you asked) you lack compassion in all government related issues... Wheres the love? Is it really so big a deal?? With all the shit going on, Citizens United, NSA, TPP, war etc. Does feeding and aiding children really rankle you? I dont get it, WE HAVE THE MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM! You can't deny the money exists to do so, you just dont want to spend it on "them" cuz "they" aint "us".

    In 2012 we gave Latin America a combined $5B in aid. Is that not enough for you?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    unsung said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:




    dude, obama is not a fucking king. he can't just absorb territory and keep an army there because it pleases the king.

    get a grip.

    bush never had this amount of opposition in congress. i would like to see anyone else get what they want out of the last 2 do nothing congresses.

    From 2008-2010 Congress was Democrat, let's not forget that.



    even if the dems held the house, what happens when something passes the house and then gets filibustered in the senate???

    NOTHING.
    Excuses.

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    I totally understand and agree that the voting process is often very frustrating and probably also often ineffectual but no way am I not going to exercise my opportunity to vote. It's easy to do by mail and I'll take every chance I get to make even a tiny difference.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    i'm talking about voting in this thread not the actual voting of politicians running our cities, states & country
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    chadwick said:

    i'm talking about voting in this thread not the actual voting of politicians running our cities, states & country

    Ah! I see.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • chadwick
    chadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    it is a poll (even a private poll at that)
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."
    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    I see, voting as in a Poll. It's my smoke addled brain. You see, I've taken up smoking again. My favorite brands: Pine Longs and Fir Regulars with an occasional Oak Lite.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:


    i hope you never become a refugee. i would hate for you to be inconvenienced by being told that as an american you aren't welcome into a certain place.


    That's the thing, they were never refugees until recently, it's just a media term used to gain sympathy while ignoring the issue that we invite the trouble.
    in my opinion (not that you asked) you lack compassion in all government related issues... Wheres the love? Is it really so big a deal?? With all the shit going on, Citizens United, NSA, TPP, war etc. Does feeding and aiding children really rankle you? I dont get it, WE HAVE THE MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM! You can't deny the money exists to do so, you just dont want to spend it on "them" cuz "they" aint "us".

    In 2012 we gave Latin America a combined $5B in aid. Is that not enough for you?
    and how much was swallowed up by the leaders the US props up down there? We will never know but id bet more than reaches the people.
    But to answer your question, there are still hungry children and its never enough when there are still hungry children!
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  • rr165892
    rr165892 Posts: 5,697
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:


    i hope you never become a refugee. i would hate for you to be inconvenienced by being told that as an american you aren't welcome into a certain place.


    That's the thing, they were never refugees until recently, it's just a media term used to gain sympathy while ignoring the issue that we invite the trouble.
    in my opinion (not that you asked) you lack compassion in all government related issues... Wheres the love? Is it really so big a deal?? With all the shit going on, Citizens United, NSA, TPP, war etc. Does feeding and aiding children really rankle you? I dont get it, WE HAVE THE MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM! You can't deny the money exists to do so, you just dont want to spend it on "them" cuz "they" aint "us".

    In 2012 we gave Latin America a combined $5B in aid. Is that not enough for you?
    and how much was swallowed up by the leaders the US props up down there? We will never know but id bet more than reaches the people.
    But to answer your question, there are still hungry children and its never enough when there are still hungry children!
    But to your earlier point,we have those same hungry children here.Shouldnt they get first crack at our cash?Then our homeless,right?Then our down on luck and out of work folks?Poverty is still an issue on American soil.
    Shouldn't we be taking care of our own social mess first?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    rgambs said:

    unsung said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:


    i hope you never become a refugee. i would hate for you to be inconvenienced by being told that as an american you aren't welcome into a certain place.


    That's the thing, they were never refugees until recently, it's just a media term used to gain sympathy while ignoring the issue that we invite the trouble.
    in my opinion (not that you asked) you lack compassion in all government related issues... Wheres the love? Is it really so big a deal?? With all the shit going on, Citizens United, NSA, TPP, war etc. Does feeding and aiding children really rankle you? I dont get it, WE HAVE THE MONEY TO TAKE CARE OF THEM! You can't deny the money exists to do so, you just dont want to spend it on "them" cuz "they" aint "us".

    In 2012 we gave Latin America a combined $5B in aid. Is that not enough for you?
    and how much was swallowed up by the leaders the US props up down there? We will never know but id bet more than reaches the people.
    But to answer your question, there are still hungry children and its never enough when there are still hungry children!

    I 100% agree with that. It is one of the strongest agreements that I have with the Paul's. Money is taken from us (some of us poor) to be given to leaders (generally rich) of other countries.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,256
    rgambs said:

    i dont defend obama because i think he is a success..i defend him because the criticisms of him are often based in racism, and even more often are just plain ludicrous. GOP congressionals LITERALLY refuse to do the job they were elected for and the blame goes to obama. I have yet to see a single Independant, Libertarian, or Republican have the balls to address the obstructionism of Bohner's house.

    Can you provide some examples about critcism based on racism? I'm not saying they don't exist but just would like to see some examples. The reason I ask is because Bill Clinton is a white person and the Republicans actually DID impeach him and DID prevent his health care legislation from passing. Racism obviously couldn't have been a factor there so why is it now a factor when Republicans are just looking at the possibility of impeachment and weren't able to prevent health care from passing?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited July 2014
    True racist acts like the 1994 Clinton Crime (which spiked incarceration rates amongst black youth) Bill aren't discussed much around these parts, speaking of which didn't he sign in DADT too? So he much have been a racist and bigot.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    rgambs said:

    Godfather. said:

    Drowned Out said:

    This is classic godfather :))

    U lik oboma?

    A. Good
    B. Bad
    C. Dumb

    No room for the grey, eh?

    (I almost wrote 'Muslim' for answer B., but that might have been a touch provocative).

    =)) well you got me, I thought obama was a fucktard right from the start and here we are over 6 years later and so many of the train members are still blaming Bush and the Rebublicans(and so does berry-o) for obama's poor sense of judgement and a shitty job over all as president and probably the worst in my time, muslim's ? the muslims ......well you know how I feel.

    Godfather.
    worst in your time, what a joke! I understand annoyance at bush blaming but get your head out of the sand and think about things! Economy is better, less americans have died abroad, and he can speak in full sentences. Or does that make him seem pretentious to you? Il take a muslim over a backward ass hilljack attitude any day of the week!
    "If Nero fiddled while Rome burned, then Obama is dining out, golfing, and raising money while the world collapses."

    take a muslim over what ?


    Godfather.

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    "I believe that doubting is the first step to rational knowledge. Not doubting implies submission, which is dangerous."

    ummmm sounds about right to me.

    Godfather.



  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    unsung said:

    callen said:

    Out of Iraq.
    Stayed out of Libya.
    Getting out of Afghanistan

    Better than last for sure.

    Except that we didn't stay out of Libya.
    Didn't commit to ground offensive. Very limited and less than what wareplicans wanted at the time.
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