what do you think of America's leadership sense obama got elected ?
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of course they want to fix the world, but only with a republic party president playing dual role of "the decider" AND "commander guy"..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Bush had his issues for sure.But in his first term I felt Colin Powell,was a real,assest.Cant say the rest of his Admin was,just saying.rgambs said:
+1!rr165892 said:They are all useless right now.Right Dosent want to work with left,left hates the right.Cant agree on anything.Budget, foreign policy ,Immigration.SMH
I don't care wether your a Dem or. Rep this shit is broken and I don't think the current players on either side help.I can't remember a more partisan divide.Politcs is trumping lawmaking that can help this country.At least when Clinton and Reagan were in office they both new how to play the middle and reach out for compromise.Things got done.We need shorter term limits so people in office can govern and not spend 1/2 the time worring about what their party says,or about raising money for next election.Leadership?What Leadership?Its all "It's not us its them"from both sides.
but to say obma bad foreign policy is head in the sand! the whole world despised bush, obama sucks but better.
I still am watching and waiting for this admins to qoute Van Wilder "dare to be great" foreign policy moment.Was getting Osama the frosting on the cake or is something special still to come.He has time to try to really leave his mark.0 -
how will he leave his mark when the fucking republicans are going to impeach him? they are going to make him spend his time defending himself in court so he has less time to try to lead and to try to accomplish everything.rr165892 said:
Bush had his issues for sure.But in his first term I felt Colin Powell,was a real,assest.Cant say the rest of his Admin was,just saying.rgambs said:
+1!rr165892 said:They are all useless right now.Right Dosent want to work with left,left hates the right.Cant agree on anything.Budget, foreign policy ,Immigration.SMH
I don't care wether your a Dem or. Rep this shit is broken and I don't think the current players on either side help.I can't remember a more partisan divide.Politcs is trumping lawmaking that can help this country.At least when Clinton and Reagan were in office they both new how to play the middle and reach out for compromise.Things got done.We need shorter term limits so people in office can govern and not spend 1/2 the time worring about what their party says,or about raising money for next election.Leadership?What Leadership?Its all "It's not us its them"from both sides.
but to say obma bad foreign policy is head in the sand! the whole world despised bush, obama sucks but better.
I still am watching and waiting for this admins to qoute Van Wilder "dare to be great" foreign policy moment.Was getting Osama the frosting on the cake or is something special still to come.He has time to try to really leave his mark.
is it really that hard for everyone to see the republican playbook and what is going on right now?? open up your eyes and demand better!!!"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Hmmm, who is/was a better leader? Bush/Obama, Bush/Obama.... gosh, I just don't know. Even thinking about is is over-taxing my brain. Bush/Obama... Bush/Obama...
...Wait! I think I got it! :-D
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... (hint: an effective leader should be able to speak in complete sentences and express a lucid thought.)"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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callen said:
Yes they are a mess. And?!?! Do you want the US to fix the world? Do you think Bush/Cheney helped our cause?rr165892 said:
Debatable!callen said:Out of Iraq.
Stayed out of Libya.
Getting out of Afghanistan
Better than last for sure.
Iraq is still fucked,Syria is a fucking mess(What about Benghazi?)Taliban still doing there thing.Middle east is a mess,Russia is going nuts,IRS nonsense,(this is a biggy btw)NSA problems
Not all peaches and cream.
Hes had his positive moments to be fair wit getting Osama,and some of his social agenda items.
Jury still out on Obama care, but def not a strong foreign policy guy and will be interesting to see how immigration shakes out.Holder is a detriment.
Im an Independant so I am not partisan.
Really Benghazi? You say your not partisan but mention this? Do you think Cheney/ Bush helped the world/US cause? You are partisan.
Yes healthcare. Equality. What did recent past administrations do?
I'm an independent.I look at each issue and way in as I feel the need.I think Benghazi was a black eye on this admin.Not because bohner and his starched shirted buddies say so but because our fucking ambassador and staff were murdered.That bothers me.Polotics aside,I have a real problem with sovereign US ground being attacked.I would not have delayed a special forces deployment and quick response force to secure the site.I think tactical and fundamental errors were made by the powers in charge.No Polotics just opinion.callen said:
Yes they are a mess. And?!?! Do you want the US to fix the world? Do you think Bush/Cheney helped our cause?rr165892 said:
Debatable!callen said:Out of Iraq.
Stayed out of Libya.
Getting out of Afghanistan
Better than last for sure.
Iraq is still fucked,Syria is a fucking mess(What about Benghazi?)Taliban still doing there thing.Middle east is a mess,Russia is going nuts,IRS nonsense,(this is a biggy btw)NSA problems
Not all peaches and cream.
Hes had his positive moments to be fair wit getting Osama,and some of his social agenda items.
Jury still out on Obama care, but def not a strong foreign policy guy and will be interesting to see how immigration shakes out.Holder is a detriment.
Im an Independant so I am not partisan.
Really Benghazi? You say your not partisan but mention this? Do you think Cheney/ Bush helped the world/US cause? You are partisan.
Yes healthcare. Equality. What did recent past administrations do?
This is a partisan crowd here for the left.I know this.But I'm not in either camp politically.Nor do I fall into a tea party thing either.I try to form my own opinion.
To answer your question I think Bush did do some things to help this country sure I do( Just like I said above for Obama)But bush also did a bunch of stupid shit.Hello Iraq??
Past admins have been better for sure Both Clinton and Reagan admins not only shaped the world we live in and ushered change,but they got things done.I supported both.You know voting for the best man/woman and not party lines= non partisan.
Just because I don't agree with An Obama admin decision Dosent make me partisan or a republican,just like disagreeing with bush Didnt make me a dem.
And no I don't want the US to fix the world I want us to help the world be a better world.Thats what a strong leadership should do.Post edited by rr165892 on0 -
Whatever has gone wrong in the past, is currently wrong, and will go wrong in the future I blame........
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Thats all white noise,just like when Ted Cruz opens his trap.Obama COULD be a great Leader,he just has not done so yet.The law suit impeachment games is nonsense.Next election cycle will take care of a lot of that.All these clowns need to remember who they work for.I demand Better from both sides.This shit stinks from the right and the left.None of the partisans look good here,non of them.gimmesometruth27 said:
how will he leave his mark when the fucking republicans are going to impeach him? they are going to make him spend his time defending himself in court so he has less time to try to lead and to try to accomplish everything.rr165892 said:
Bush had his issues for sure.But in his first term I felt Colin Powell,was a real,assest.Cant say the rest of his Admin was,just saying.rgambs said:
+1!rr165892 said:They are all useless right now.Right Dosent want to work with left,left hates the right.Cant agree on anything.Budget, foreign policy ,Immigration.SMH
I don't care wether your a Dem or. Rep this shit is broken and I don't think the current players on either side help.I can't remember a more partisan divide.Politcs is trumping lawmaking that can help this country.At least when Clinton and Reagan were in office they both new how to play the middle and reach out for compromise.Things got done.We need shorter term limits so people in office can govern and not spend 1/2 the time worring about what their party says,or about raising money for next election.Leadership?What Leadership?Its all "It's not us its them"from both sides.
but to say obma bad foreign policy is head in the sand! the whole world despised bush, obama sucks but better.
I still am watching and waiting for this admins to qoute Van Wilder "dare to be great" foreign policy moment.Was getting Osama the frosting on the cake or is something special still to come.He has time to try to really leave his mark.
is it really that hard for everyone to see the republican playbook and what is going on right now?? open up your eyes and demand better!!!0 -
Clinton > all others in my lifetime (goes back to Gerald Ford)
Obama will always be judged with the caveat that he inherited Bush's twin disasters in finance and foreign policy. There was no magic wand to wave and fix the damage.___________________________________________
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+1 this cant be overstated! Bush was a figurehead for the Cheney/Rove/Rumsfeld gang. Reagan, please! He was a figurehead too and led us down the path we are on. Get real... The old joke about putting peanut butter on his gums in the later years to make him move his lips like mr ed. Why do the repub powers choose a stooge who cant communicate? Cuz lots of 'mericans are dumb and they want a relatable president lolbrianlux said:Hmmm, who is/was a better leader? Bush/Obama, Bush/Obama.... gosh, I just don't know. Even thinking about is is over-taxing my brain. Bush/Obama... Bush/Obama...
...Wait! I think I got it! :-DMonkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
They all are the problem.This blame back and forth is the underlying issue.Please don't say different.Dems and republicans are the ones holding us back.0
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This is classic godfather
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U lik oboma?
A. Good
B. Bad
C. Dumb
No room for the grey, eh?
(I almost wrote 'Muslim' for answer B., but that might have been a touch provocative).
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oh you know it is bullshit when you say obama COULD be a great leader. the guy is scared because everything he does, republicans say he is trampling the constitution and breaking the law. even when he acts on bills that REPUBLICANS SUPPORTED AND VOTED FOR!! it is like "alright we passed this bill, oh wait, obama supports it? i withdraw my support of it!!!"rr165892 said:
Thats all white noise,just like when Ted Cruz opens his trap.Obama COULD be a great Leader,he just has not done so yet.The law suit impeachment games is nonsense.Next election cycle will take care of a lot of that.All these clowns need to remember who they work for.I demand Better from both sides.This shit stinks from the right and the left.None of the partisans look good here,non of them.gimmesometruth27 said:
how will he leave his mark when the fucking republicans are going to impeach him? they are going to make him spend his time defending himself in court so he has less time to try to lead and to try to accomplish everything.rr165892 said:
Bush had his issues for sure.But in his first term I felt Colin Powell,was a real,assest.Cant say the rest of his Admin was,just saying.rgambs said:
+1!rr165892 said:They are all useless right now.Right Dosent want to work with left,left hates the right.Cant agree on anything.Budget, foreign policy ,Immigration.SMH
I don't care wether your a Dem or. Rep this shit is broken and I don't think the current players on either side help.I can't remember a more partisan divide.Politcs is trumping lawmaking that can help this country.At least when Clinton and Reagan were in office they both new how to play the middle and reach out for compromise.Things got done.We need shorter term limits so people in office can govern and not spend 1/2 the time worring about what their party says,or about raising money for next election.Leadership?What Leadership?Its all "It's not us its them"from both sides.
but to say obma bad foreign policy is head in the sand! the whole world despised bush, obama sucks but better.
I still am watching and waiting for this admins to qoute Van Wilder "dare to be great" foreign policy moment.Was getting Osama the frosting on the cake or is something special still to come.He has time to try to really leave his mark.
is it really that hard for everyone to see the republican playbook and what is going on right now?? open up your eyes and demand better!!!
please do not pretend that it is otherwise. this is how it is, and it is how our system works.
nothing passes in the senate because you now have to have 60 votes for anything to move to the floor for debate. the dems routinely get 55, 56, 58 votes on something, with votes like 57-42, and nothing can move forward. you can not blame obama for that."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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the gop has the perpetual filibuster on in the senate."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
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you may think it's utter bullshit but it dose raise some questions....settle down amigo nobody's telling you to change your opinion, I watched the video and wondered what train members thought about the current state of this countries leadership and you opinion is dully noted.gimmesometruth27 said:by the way, the link you shared is utter bullshit.
1, obama did not pull troops out early. he adhered to the status of forces agreement that troops will be out by 2012 signed by fucking bush!!!! obama tried to stay there longer and al maliki said we had to go.
2. the people obama traded for bowe bergdahl were people that republicans agreed with releasing before they were released. once they got released, they changed their minds and opposed it.
you know what? every single one of the claims made by the person in the article have been throughly debunked, and have been discussed in other threads on here. i am not going to waste any more time posting in this thread.
Godfather.
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I AGREE ! everybody I personally talk to believes we need to wipe out and replace every member in the white house and that is something I believe whole hartedly...they'er all self serving pieces (Byrnzie did spell that correctly bro ?rr165892 said:
Thats all white noise,just like when Ted Cruz opens his trap.Obama COULD be a great Leader,he just has not done so yet.The law suit impeachment games is nonsense.Next election cycle will take care of a lot of that.All these clowns need to remember who they work for.I demand Better from both sides.This shit stinks from the right and the left.None of the partisans look good here,non of them.gimmesometruth27 said:
how will he leave his mark when the fucking republicans are going to impeach him? they are going to make him spend his time defending himself in court so he has less time to try to lead and to try to accomplish everything.rr165892 said:
Bush had his issues for sure.But in his first term I felt Colin Powell,was a real,assest.Cant say the rest of his Admin was,just saying.rgambs said:
+1!rr165892 said:They are all useless right now.Right Dosent want to work with left,left hates the right.Cant agree on anything.Budget, foreign policy ,Immigration.SMH
I don't care wether your a Dem or. Rep this shit is broken and I don't think the current players on either side help.I can't remember a more partisan divide.Politcs is trumping lawmaking that can help this country.At least when Clinton and Reagan were in office they both new how to play the middle and reach out for compromise.Things got done.We need shorter term limits so people in office can govern and not spend 1/2 the time worring about what their party says,or about raising money for next election.Leadership?What Leadership?Its all "It's not us its them"from both sides.
but to say obma bad foreign policy is head in the sand! the whole world despised bush, obama sucks but better.
I still am watching and waiting for this admins to qoute Van Wilder "dare to be great" foreign policy moment.Was getting Osama the frosting on the cake or is something special still to come.He has time to try to really leave his mark.
is it really that hard for everyone to see the republican playbook and what is going on right now?? open up your eyes and demand better!!!
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our laws and constitution need to be followed/upheld and not minupulated.
(yes you guys and laugh at my spelling...why not my family does)
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