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Why did PJ speed up Even Flow? (Theories)

vedpunkvedpunk Posts: 930
edited July 2014 in The Porch
a) Matt Cameron drumming
b) Eddie can't sing the song at the original speed and intensity anymore
c) The band doesn't like the song and wants it to end quicker
d) So Mike could have more time for his solo
e) Other

Personally, I wish they slowed down the song and brought back the funk. The song had much more groove, power and intensity. That is what made it a hit in the first place.


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  • pjradiopjradio Posts: 6,704
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  • jason_94jason_94 Toledo, OH Posts: 1,872
    I always guessed that it was a combination of "A", "D", & maybe a little of "C".

    Of course, that is just a guess.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,956
    it's not just Even Flow. Lots of songs are faster live than on the record. Corduroy, Do The Evolution, and Wold Wide Suicide to name a few.
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,729
    ^Agreed. How do you think they cram 30+ songs in a 3 hour window?!?
  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,057
    edited July 2014
    I just was introduced to Drop in the Park and Even Flow is a sticky icky icky hunk a slow burnin', super bass churnin, dose o' straight up funk on that record... it's like a whole different song.

    Not better or worse, but "A" is my answer.
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  • evenflow82evenflow82 Posts: 3,892
    Dave A. really shined on Evenflow.
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    Original was Krusen
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  • green_girlgreen_girl Posts: 931
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jNQ7YJ_CZvI

    I don't know the answer (it's Stone's fault), but (it's Stone's fault) I don't like when they speed (it's Stone's fault) through the songs. It's not a race, guys!
  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave West Chester, PA Posts: 42,678
    edited July 2014
    :))

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvmzWWS7urY
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    eeriepadave said:

    :))

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvmzWWS7urY

    =))
  • green_girlgreen_girl Posts: 931
    HAHAHA!
    And it's still 3 1/2 minutes long!
    eeriepadave said:

    :))

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvmzWWS7urY

  • Lost In OhioLost In Ohio Posts: 7,137
    vedpunk said:

    a) Matt Cameron drumming
    b) Eddie can't sing the song at the original speed and intensity anymore
    c) The band doesn't like the song and wants it to end quicker
    d) So Mike could have more time for his solo
    e) Other

    Personally, I wish they slowed down the song and brought back the funk. The song had much more groove, power and intensity. That is what made it a hit in the first place.



    It's not just Even Flow. Listen to YL from the 90's, specifically one of the Bridge School versions. Then, listen to YL from 2000 or later. It goes from a slow, bluesy song to a fast rocker.

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  • 23scidoo23scidoo Thessaloniki,Greece Posts: 19,647
    I think its Matt's ''fault'' for all those songs you mention above and i guess there are more songs..for me its great..i think Matt lead the band in a faster level..
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  • joseph33joseph33 Washington DC Posts: 1,310
    If you play the radio hits for the millionth time,you want the fans to be happy but over at the same time. Plus you can maybe fit a song or two by shaving time. When they play an arena or stadium,its contracted out for a certain period of time. If they play over the contractual time period,the band has to pay like 5k a minute over.
  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    edited July 2014
    I suppose the Obvious reason would be Matt but then again I don't think it would only just His decision...it would be the Band as a Whole that agrees on the Speed of the Song and how it gets played.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,357
    i think it is faster because, as a guitar player for the last 20 years, it is natural tendency to want to play the songs faster in a live setting. there is more energy there and if you slow something down it kind of takes away from that energy. plus a lot of that is due to the drummer playing a little fast as well.

    i really dislike how fast they play this song now. this song has lost all of the meaning that it had for me 20 years ago.

    to be honest, i think they need to give the song a break for awhile. in my opinion, it is just an excuse for mike to solo for 5 minutes without going for the wank off arena rock guitar solo like kirk hammett and eddie van halen used to do. it is faster now because mike would look like a tool playing behind his head when the song is half as fast.
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  • The Waiting Trophy ManThe Waiting Trophy Man Niagara region, Ontario, Canada Posts: 12,158
    green_girl said:

    HAHAHA!
    And it's still 3 1/2 minutes long!

    eeriepadave said:

    :))

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvmzWWS7urY

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  • dasvidanadasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,356
    Don't know why it got faster, but I really wish they would slow it down. The song deserves to be savored slowly!
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,431
    I think it's a band decision to play everything faster. Tunes are gonna get a little live boost in tempo, but there are quite a few songs that really need to slow down, Evenflow being one of the big offenders.
  • red mosred mos Posts: 4,953
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    A. A lot of the songs are faster with Matt on drums. It's not a bad thing. It's just his style. A lot of songs needed to be sped up to fit with his drum style. There is a lot of energy when songs are played live as well. This is truly just a guess though. :)
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  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
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    red mos said:

    A. A lot of the songs are faster with Matt on drums. It's not a bad thing. It's just his style. A lot of songs needed to be sped up to fit with his drum style. There is a lot of energy when songs are played live as well. This is truly just a guess though. :)

    Yeah that is True...either way it's one of my favourite songs.
  • FrankieGFrankieG Abingdon MD Posts: 9,100
    They play it so much, they got got so good at it, they just play it faster now because they are so good at that song.
    And to leave more time to play the 35 other songs that they plan on playing each night!
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    eeriepadave said:

    :))

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvmzWWS7urY

    Holy shit that just made my day. =))
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    ^^^ :)) =))
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  • weebleweeble Bristol, England Posts: 133
    I'm with the 'let's cram as many songs into a set list as possible' theory. Every time I've seen them whole bunch of songs are played at warp speed!

    Double edge sword. Can't bear Mario Mega Mushrooom Even Flow listening to a bootleg on the iPod, definitely a skipper. But when at the gig, in the moment, bring it on! Love it, more tunes the better.

    Even Flow on the record sounds crazy slow to me now!

    Off topic, but that 3.5 hour gig Milton Keynes, was the best I've ever seen. My fav has always been Verona 2006. But the amount of songs and the variety of stuff, was just amazing. I reckon that's why they are alla bit faster.

    Damn I'm gonna miss the tour.... :(

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  • RhinoJamRhinoJam Raleighwood Posts: 596
    I know how you feel and I wish they would slow SOLAT back down a little too... such a killer song, but the dynamics change when it is sped up...
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    KC138045 said:

    eeriepadave said:

    :))

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvmzWWS7urY

    Holy shit that just made my day. =))
    Minus the chipmunk voice, that is only a little faster than the band these days.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,747
    I agree with who ever said please put this on on the shelf for a while maybe it will get it's groove back some day .....
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  • RD101189RD101189 Posts: 454
    The drummer is the time keeper in the band. Matt has had a sped up effect on many PJ songs undoubtedly but most sound better live that way.
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  • dfishbergdfishberg Posts: 403
    RhinoJam said:

    I know how you feel and I wish they would slow SOLAT back down a little too... such a killer song, but the dynamics change when it is sped up...

    Totally agree with SOLAT! The remastered version is so killer, I wish they would play it at that speed during shows. Song loses some of it soul when it is sped up.

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