America's Gun Violence

unsung · July 2014

Double post

Thirty Bills Unpaid · July 2014

That was the email message ya dork.

I replied in the thread- where the conversation was.

Be cool.

fife · July 2014

Just so that this doesn't become a thread about Chicago.

In Huston last night, there was shooting of 4 kids and 2 adults with another kid in the hospital with life threatening injuries.

I don't believe that Texas has strict gun laws like Chicago or am I am wrong?

fife · July 2014

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/09/justice/texas-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

just so that people can read the story.

Godfather. · July 2014

i_lov_it said:
It's Embedded so Deeply into American Culture...Really it should be a Privilege rather then a Right to own a Gun.

no offnese but I respectfully disagree.

Godfather.

fife · July 2014

Godfather. said:

i_lov_it said:
It's Embedded so Deeply into American Culture...Really it should be a Privilege rather then a Right to own a Gun.
no offnese but I respectfully disagree.

Godfather.

do you disagree that gun ownership should be a privilege or that guns are embedded into the culture?

unsung · July 2014

fife said:

Godfather. said:

i_lov_it said:
It's Embedded so Deeply into American Culture...Really it should be a Privilege rather then a Right to own a Gun.
no offnese but I respectfully disagree.

Godfather.

do you disagree that gun ownership should be a privilege or that guns are embedded into the culture?

Do you believe that the ability to defend yourself is a privilege or a right?

fife · July 2014

unsung said:

fife said:

Godfather. said:

i_lov_it said:
It's Embedded so Deeply into American Culture...Really it should be a Privilege rather then a Right to own a Gun.
no offnese but I respectfully disagree.

Godfather.

do you disagree that gun ownership should be a privilege or that guns are embedded into the culture?

Do you believe that the ability to defend yourself is a privilege or a right?

I believe that the ability to defend yourself is a right but that gun ownership is a privilage.

now will you answer a question for me? what is a "right" mean to you? can a right be subjective ie some people have it and some people don't.

unsung · July 2014

Rights are not granted by government, nor are they taken away.

I should also be able to defend myself with equal or greater means than my attacker. Or do you believe that a woman shouldn't be able to defend herself with a gun against a 6' 250lb man with a knife?

fife · July 2014

unsung said:
Rights are not granted by government, nor are they taken away.

I should also be able to defend myself with equal or greater means than my attacker. Or do you believe that a woman shouldn't be able to defend herself with a gun against a 6' 250lb man with a knife?

no i believe that a woman should be able to use a gun against a 250 lb man.

question for you, should a man with major mental health issues be able to buy a gun? should a person who went to jail for say gun related assault be allowed to buy a gun also?

unsung · July 2014

Major mental? No.

But who decides that diagnosis?

As far as the other I'd need better specifics. Gun crimes can be something as simple as being a concealed carry holder accidentally walking into a field that is school property. I have a problem with that.

If we are talking about someone discharging a gun in the commission of a crime such as a robbery I wouldn't allow it. That person didn't have their right taken away, they conceded it themselves.

Godfather. · July 2014

fife said:

Godfather. said:

i_lov_it said:
It's Embedded so Deeply into American Culture...Really it should be a Privilege rather then a Right to own a Gun.
no offnese but I respectfully disagree.

Godfather.

do you disagree that gun ownership should be a privilege or that guns are embedded into the culture?

Honest Abe made men free but Samual Colt made them equal......LOL!!! your asking a two sided question . yes and yes guns were part of this country from the start,guns were used to gain our freedom-put food on the table and protect ourselves from wrong doers and those general rules still stand true today,this country has been dealing with bad apples and guns just as long but nobody ever tried to unarm a country until lately with sisy generations.

Godfather.

fife · July 2014

unsung said:
Major mental? No.

But who decides that diagnosis?

As far as the other I'd need better specifics. Gun crimes can be something as simple as being a concealed carry holder accidentally walking into a field that is school property. I have a problem with that.

If we are talking about someone discharging a gun in the commission of a crime such as a robbery I wouldn't allow it. That person didn't have their right taken away, they conceded it themselves.

I would say a doctor decides that diagnosis after having multiple interactions with a patient. would that suit you?

if that does suit you, are you willing to say that this person no longer has the "right" to protect themselves or did they concede that right themselves?

now when you say discharged a gun, do you mean shoot the gun or just take it out?

Thirty Bills Unpaid · July 2014

Godfather. said:

fife said:

Godfather. said:

i_lov_it said:
It's Embedded so Deeply into American Culture...Really it should be a Privilege rather then a Right to own a Gun.
no offnese but I respectfully disagree.

Godfather.

do you disagree that gun ownership should be a privilege or that guns are embedded into the culture?
Honest Abe made men free but Samual Colt made them equal......LOL!!! your asking a two sided question . yes and yes guns were part of this country from the start,guns were used to gain our freedom-put food on the table and protect ourselves from wrong doers and those general rules still stand true today,this country has been dealing with bad apples and guns just as long but nobody ever tried to unarm a country until lately with sisy generations.

Godfather.

Nobody has ever said 'disarm'. People have consistently said 'limit'.

It's not such a far-fetched and hair-brained scheme. There are limits and restrictions with virtually everything.

Cue predictable response: we already have limits... we can't own flame throwers or bazookas.

mickeyrat · July 2014

Reframing this discussion might be more useful to constructive solutions. Framed like, "what makes Americans in this era seem more prone to violence than in recent past?"

Was this just always so in this same % and now with webernet we have more ready access to a slanted narrative?

Personally I'm not seeing a more objective "just the facts" kind of reporting anymore, if it ever was that way to begin with and I'm just in a rose colored glasses wasnt it better then kind of state of mind.

JonnyPistachio · July 2014

A guy that plays in a local band I've seen around town was shot and killed with his own weapon recently.
His apartment was being robbed and he stumbled upon the robbery. The suspect used a gun he'd found in the apartment.. Sad story.
http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/crossfade/2014/07/louis-salgar_murder_suspect_identified_raul-reinosa.php

Stickman12 · July 2014

Very interesting discussion going on here. I will start by saying that I respect everyone's opinion whether I agree or disagree. This is a topic that someone can go on and on making a point or citing stories or examples to strengthen their position. When discussing "Americas Gun Violence", the first and most obvious attack goes against the gun itself. An inanimate object that requires the operator to perform several functions such as loading with ammunition, loading a round into the chamber, pointing the firearm, & squeezing the trigger. There has been several suggestions as to a solution to decrease gun violence such as new laws, limit what kind of firearms are allowed to be owned. A major problem is that there are existing gun laws now that do not get enforced and allow gun violence to continue. Start enforcing current gun laws with stringent consequences before making new laws. Target the operator or person with the gun. Mental illness is a disability that America has not fully addressed. Many of the stories that make the news involve someone with a gun who should not have one because of their mental state.

I will now stop myself as I do not wish to "preech" on about this topic. I will remind everyone that patriots with the tools of firearms is what lead to our freedom and independence. Firearms have saved the lives of innocent people who have had to defend themselves and others from those wishing to do harm. I am not saying that guns are the answer, Im just saying that before the gun becomes the villain, exam who is behind it first.

callen · July 2014

ejleonjr said:
Very interesting discussion going on here. I will start by saying that I respect everyone's opinion whether I agree or disagree. This is a topic that someone can go on and on making a point or citing stories or examples to strengthen their position. When discussing "Americas Gun Violence", the first and most obvious attack goes against the gun itself. An inanimate object that requires the operator to perform several functions such as loading with ammunition, loading a round into the chamber, pointing the firearm, & squeezing the trigger. There has been several suggestions as to a solution to decrease gun violence such as new laws, limit what kind of firearms are allowed to be owned. A major problem is that there are existing gun laws now that do not get enforced and allow gun violence to continue. Start enforcing current gun laws with stringent consequences before making new laws. Target the operator or person with the gun. Mental illness is a disability that America has not fully addressed. Many of the stories that make the news involve someone with a gun who should not have one because of their mental state.

I will now stop myself as I do not wish to "preech" on about this topic. I will remind everyone that patriots with the tools of firearms is what lead to our freedom and independence. Firearms have saved the lives of innocent people who have had to defend themselves and others from those wishing to do harm. I am not saying that guns are the answer, Im just saying that before the gun becomes the villain, exam who is behind it first.

Nice post and appreciate your balance when writing.

I struggle with gun ownership. I so value an individuals right to protect oneself. I also know that humans didn't evolve with guns and many can't handle the responsibility. Yes the gun has played a major role in formation of the country but now we lead western countries in gun deaths. If comparing to Germany or Switzerland etc.

So it's not working in its current state. So as you, what do we do? Do we want to be a gun slinging Wild West Country? Does an individuals rights trump the rights of society?

I don't have an answer but we have to acknowledge the present and potential position of arming humans with easy lethal force is not a healthy society. At least not for me.

Gern Blansten · July 2014

ejleonjr said:
Very interesting discussion going on here. I will start by saying that I respect everyone's opinion whether I agree or disagree. This is a topic that someone can go on and on making a point or citing stories or examples to strengthen their position. When discussing "Americas Gun Violence", the first and most obvious attack goes against the gun itself. An inanimate object that requires the operator to perform several functions such as loading with ammunition, loading a round into the chamber, pointing the firearm, & squeezing the trigger. There has been several suggestions as to a solution to decrease gun violence such as new laws, limit what kind of firearms are allowed to be owned. A major problem is that there are existing gun laws now that do not get enforced and allow gun violence to continue. Start enforcing current gun laws with stringent consequences before making new laws. Target the operator or person with the gun. Mental illness is a disability that America has not fully addressed. Many of the stories that make the news involve someone with a gun who should not have one because of their mental state.

I will now stop myself as I do not wish to "preech" on about this topic. I will remind everyone that patriots with the tools of firearms is what lead to our freedom and independence. Firearms have saved the lives of innocent people who have had to defend themselves and others from those wishing to do harm. I am not saying that guns are the answer, Im just saying that before the gun becomes the villain, exam who is behind it first.

Yes examine who is behind it and make it as difficult as possible for them to get their hands on weapons. At the same time make a determination that certain types of firearms have absolutely no place in the hands of the public.

brianlux · July 2014

Since being assaulted and talking to a few people about it, I've hear a lot about guns recently:

One person said "I wish that would happen to me. I carry and there would be one less punk on the streets."

Another said, "I'm thinking about carrying. I never would have said that a few years ago."

And another, "I'd have shot him [the one who assaulted me, but there were four in his gang]. I always carry when I'm on my motorcycle"

These are all people I respect in one way or another but only one of them would I feel confident might have gotten out of the situation with a gun and only because that one person is highly trained. I was the one who was assaulted (and two other people who are close to me were in the car) and I can tell you this: we all got out alive and fairly unscathed (except me and I'm ok now). I used my head (even after having it punched hard) and did what it took to get us out of there. If I had used a hand gun people would probably be dead. There were three of us and four of them. Who knows how many guns would have been blazing? Who knows which of us would have died?

One other person I talked to is registered to carry a hand gun and I asked that person, "Would you have used a gun in that instance." They said, "No, you did just the right things."

More guns= more death and it's not always the bad guy who ends up dead. I don't see more guns being the answer.

The way I see it, in our society we have a major problem with violence in general. Would having more guns change that? I'm not so sure.

America's Gun Violence

Comments

Categories