Jewish Settler Attacks = Terrorism

Byrnzie · July 2014

Interesting:

http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinians-yes-to-jews-no-to-settlers-in-our-state/
[The] minutes of a meeting between Israeli and Palestinian negotiators leaked by Al-Jazeera in June 2008 indicate that the Palestinians themselves proposed including some settlements within the territory of “Palestine.”

“As for settlements, we proposed the following: Removal of some settlements, annexation of others, and keeping others under Palestinian sovereignty,” Palestinian negotiator Ahmad Qurei (Abu-’Alaa) told then-foreign minister Tzipi Livni, in the presence of then-US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice and their negotiating teams.

Qurei suggested applying Palestinian sovereignty to Ma’aleh Adumim, the largest Israeli settlement in the West Bank, and using it as “a model of cooperation and coexistence.” The idea was rejected by [then-Israeli foreign minister Tzipi] Livni as “unrealistic.”

Byrnzie · July 2014

JohnnieBeBlue said:
Gotta get back to work. Keep on spouting your hate and misinformation. Have you ever been to Israel or Gaza? Probably not. I have. Many times. it's very different than what you describe. I openly admit problems on both sides, but you all seem to think this is just a one sided issue. It's not. The only road to peace is mutual understanding and an end to violence on both sides. And that's where I'll leave it. Carry on.

If you ever get the time, I'd love you to tell me how an illegal military occupation of a poor and largely defenseless people, which is supported by the Worlds only superpower, is not one-sided.

Bye bye.

badbrains · July 2014

JohnnieBeBlue said:

Drowned Out said:
The bottom line in this situation is that as long as the occupation continues, Israel has no legal nor moral right whatsoever to military self defense against Palestinians. period.
Yes, they have no right to defend themselves. They should allow indiscriminate bombing of civilians. Moron.

Drowned out a moron?? Come on man, only one coming across as a moron here is you. Funny, Israel is allowed to do whatever they want for defense, yet when the Palestinians, who are defending themselves from an OCCUPIER, it's labeled terrorism. But drowned out is the moron? Good one johnnies blue balls.

badbrains · July 2014

JohnnieBeBlue said:
Gotta get back to work. Keep on spouting your hate and misinformation. Have you ever been to Israel or Gaza? Probably not. I have. Many times. it's very different than what you describe. I openly admit problems on both sides, but you all seem to think this is just a one sided issue. It's not. The only road to peace is mutual understanding and an end to violence on both sides. And that's where I'll leave it. Carry on.

So where the fuck is YOUR understanding in this conflict? All you've done is shit on the Palestinians and praise the Israelis, oh and u keep "generally" saying "both sides" have issues. And all the shit you spewed ISNT hate or racisit shit? And the only way you've ever been to gaza is with the idf. Dnt sit here and pretend u go there and have picnics and nice strolls down Main Street.

Drowned Out · July 2014

And since the whole '400 rockets raining down on israel' thing has begun again, I'll link to a previous post that shows how the IDF and the Israeli government manipulates and inflates the number and lethality of rocket attacks to advance their agendas and attempt to justify their war crimes.

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/comment/4764084#Comment_4764084

Byrnzie · July 2014

JohnnieBeBlue said:
Israel does more to try to prevent civilian deaths than any army in the history of the world. This is well documented.

Yeah, sure...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/10/israel-gaza-conflict-prompts-emergency-un-security-council-meeting-live-updates?view=desktop#block-53be5bb4e4b0bd8dbcd86a64

Gaza's health ministry says 22 Palestinian children have been killed since Israel's operation protective edge, was launched against Gaza on Tuesday.

The total deathtoll has increased to 78 people, the ministry claimed.

The campaign Defense for Children International Palestine said it has verified the deaths of 14 children, in the first two days of the offensive.

It provides the names and details in a daily list
Children killed in on Wednesday

Mohammad Ibrahim Fayeq al-Masri, 14, from the northern Gaza city of Beit Hanoun
Mohammad Fakher Mustafa Jamal Malaka, 3, from Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood
Mohammad Iyad Salem Areef, 9, rom Gaza City's Al-Shujaiyah neighbourhood
Amir Iyad Salem Areef, 11, from Gaza City's Al-Shujaiyah neighbourhood
Mohammad Khalaf Odeh al-Nawasra, 1, from Maghazi refugee camp in central Gaza
Nidal Khalaf Odeh al-Nawasra, 3, from Maghazi refugee camp in central Gaza
Ranim Jawdat Abdul-Karim Abdul-Ghafoor, 1, from Al-Qarara near the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis

Children killed on Tuesday

Hussein Yousef Hussein Karawe, 13, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
Basem Salem Hussein Karawe, 10, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
Mohammad Ali Faraj Karawe, 12, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
Abdullah Hamed Karawe, 6, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
Kasem Jaber Adwan Karawe, 12, from the southern Gaza city of Khan
YounisSeraj Abed al-Aal, 8, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
Ahmad Nael Mahdi, 15, from Gaza City’s Sheikh Radwan neighborhood

The campaign said it was trying to confirm reports that at least three more children were killed on Wednesday.

Byrnzie · July 2014

"Israel has a right of self defence, but it does not apply in the Occupied Territories. If the U.S invaded Jamaica and dotted it with settlements, neither the settlers nor the armed forces could invoke any right to defend themselves against the Jamaicans, any more than a robber who invaded your house. So it is with the Israeli's in the Occupied Territories. Their right of self-defense is their right to the least violent defensive alternative. Since withdrawal (perhaps followed by fortifying their own 1948 border) is by far their best and least violent defense, that is all they have a right to do." - Michael Neumann

badbrains · July 2014

Byrnzie said:

JohnnieBeBlue said:
Israel does more to try to prevent civilian deaths than any army in the history of the world. This is well documented.
Yeah, sure...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/10/israel-gaza-conflict-prompts-emergency-un-security-council-meeting-live-updates?view=desktop#block-53be5bb4e4b0bd8dbcd86a64

Gaza's health ministry says 22 Palestinian children have been killed since Israel's operation protective edge, was launched against Gaza on Tuesday.

The total deathtoll has increased to 78 people, the ministry claimed.

The campaign Defense for Children International Palestine said it has verified the deaths of 14 children, in the first two days of the offensive.

It provides the names and details in a daily list
Children killed in on Wednesday

Mohammad Ibrahim Fayeq al-Masri, 14, from the northern Gaza city of Beit Hanoun
Mohammad Fakher Mustafa Jamal Malaka, 3, from Gaza City's Zeitoun neighborhood
Mohammad Iyad Salem Areef, 9, rom Gaza City's Al-Shujaiyah neighbourhood
Amir Iyad Salem Areef, 11, from Gaza City's Al-Shujaiyah neighbourhood
Mohammad Khalaf Odeh al-Nawasra, 1, from Maghazi refugee camp in central Gaza
Nidal Khalaf Odeh al-Nawasra, 3, from Maghazi refugee camp in central Gaza
Ranim Jawdat Abdul-Karim Abdul-Ghafoor, 1, from Al-Qarara near the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis

Children killed on Tuesday

Hussein Yousef Hussein Karawe, 13, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
Basem Salem Hussein Karawe, 10, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
Mohammad Ali Faraj Karawe, 12, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
Abdullah Hamed Karawe, 6, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
Kasem Jaber Adwan Karawe, 12, from the southern Gaza city of Khan
YounisSeraj Abed al-Aal, 8, from the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis
Ahmad Nael Mahdi, 15, from Gaza City’s Sheikh Radwan neighborhood

The campaign said it was trying to confirm reports that at least three more children were killed on Wednesday.

Now imagine just for a minute if that list of children that we're killed had names like:

Johnny Smith- 12 years old
Mark jones-11 years old
Stephanie Johnson-11 years old
Jack stevens-13 years old
Etc. wonder what would happen then?

Byrnzie · July 2014

badbrains said:
Now imagine just for a minute if that list of children that we're killed had names like:

Johnny Smith- 12 years old
Mark jones-11 years old
Stephanie Johnson-11 years old
Jack stevens-13 years old
Etc. wonder what would happen then?

True. But these youths watching the World Cup aren't real people. They're just brown-skinned terrorist savages, so the U.S will veto any and all U.N Resolutions critical of this latest Israeli slaughter, just as it always does.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/10/israel-gaza-conflict-prompts-emergency-un-security-council-meeting-live-updates
More than 80 Palestinians have been killed since the launch of an offensive aimed at preventing rocket attacks from Gaza. The victims include more than 20 children, according to Gaza's health ministry. In one of the most deadly attacks up to nine youths were killed in a coffee shop while watching last night's World Cup semi-final.

Byrnzie · July 2014

JK18472 said:
...they were warned. So we can agree that Israel tries to prevent civilian casualties.

No, we can't.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/10/israel-gaza-conflict-prompts-emergency-un-security-council-meeting-live-updates
"Knock on the roof" warnings do not help save civilians lives as the Israeli military claims, according to the University of London's Forensic Architecture centre at Goldsmiths which carried out a UN study into how the tactic operated during Operation Cast Lead in 2009.

Eyal Weizman, director of the centre, said:

The Israeli Defence Forces are again using a tactic in their attack on Gaza that they claim is aimed at saving lives—despite it having a track record of leading to the death of civilians, including women and children. So called “roof knock” strikes involve a drone firing a low- or none-explosive missile at the roof of a building that is to be destroyed. The missile is followed a short time later by a bomb that flattens the house—but exactly how long after is not known by the inhabitants.

The tactic first came to light after the 2008/9 offensive on Gaza. One of the case studies that we at Forensic Architecture produced for the UN Special Rapporteur on Counter Terrorism’s inquiry into drone strikes focused on an attack on the Salha family in Beit Lahiya on 9 January 2009. A missile was fired at the roof of the family’s home, but they did not know that this constituted a warning. After moments of terrified confusion, the family began to leave the house. However, before they could all safely leave, a bomb was dropped, and six women and children were killed.

At a time when most attacks in Gaza are on houses, the Israeli military is anxious to present themselves as trying to avoid civilian casualties. Yesterday it released a video showing a warning missile being fired at a house that it then decided not to strike. However, in the attack on the home of Odeh Ahmad Mohammed Kaware, Defence for Children International Palestine reported that a warning missile was followed by a bomb that killed seven people, including five children. This should be taken as further confirmation that the use of this tactic should be stopped immediately.

Not only is it illegal to fire a missile at a civilian to warn them, the missiles also frequently penetrate the roofs they are intended to bounce off, further endangering civilian lives. Israeli military lawyers argue that after residents of a building have been warned, they can be considered as combatants and legitimately targeted. This is a gross misuse of international law that enables the Israeli military to justify attacks on buildings in built up areas, populated by civilians, that they would otherwise be unable to legally carry out.

Byrnzie · July 2014

JohnnieBeBlue said:
Israel does more to try to prevent civilian deaths than any army in the history of the world. This is well documented.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/10/israel-gaza-conflict-prompts-emergency-un-security-council-meeting-live-updates?view=desktop#block-53be5bb4e4b0bd8dbcd86a64
In the first two days of the offensive 15 women and children were killed amid claims that in four air strikes only women and children were killed. According to an emergency services spokesman, Ashraf al-Qudra, in one incident a missile struck a house in Al-Maghazi, a beachside refugee camp near Deir al-Balah in central Gaza, killing a mother and her four children. Earlier, another two women and four children died in a series of raids to the north and east of Gaza City.

badbrains · July 2014

I dnt personally like the guy, but good for Ronaldo:

http://m.ibtimes.co.uk/cristiano-ronaldo-palestine-israel-real-madrid-swap-449952

Drowned Out · July 2014

JohnnieBeBlue said:

Yes, they have no right to defend themselves. They should allow indiscriminate bombing of civilians. Moron.

I never said they should, so maybe check your reading comprehension, (or stop projecting your persecution complex) before starting with the name calling.
Any comment on the article I posted by James Marc Leas regarding findings of the International Court of Justice, citing reports and statements by Human Rights Watch, the National Lawyers Guild, the Palestine Center for Human rights, Amnesty International, the UN Human Rights Council, Defence for Children International, Al Mezan Centre for Human Rights, and the League of Arab States? or are they all morons too?

badbrains · July 2014

Drowned Out said:

JohnnieBeBlue said:

Yes, they have no right to defend themselves. They should allow indiscriminate bombing of civilians. Moron.

I never said they should, so maybe check your reading comprehension, (or stop projecting your persecution complex) before starting with the name calling.
Any comment on the article I posted by James Marc Leas regarding findings of the International Court of Justice, citing reports and statements by Human Rights Watch, the National Lawyers Guild, the Palestine Center for Human rights, Amnesty International, the UN Human Rights Council, Defence for Children International, Al Mezan Centre for Human Rights, and the League of Arab States? or are they all morons too?

According to johnnies bballs those organizations aren't legit. And you shouldn't be affiliating yourself with such orgs. Or something like that, he's all over the place with throwing out lies and misrepresentations. I mean shit, byrnzie and you have put of facts after facts supported by links and sources, and he still calls bullshit. I just dnt get it, if something's wrong it's wrong. And what they're doing to the Palestinians is 100% wrong. Couple years ago they didn't allow strawberries and crayons into gaza! Really? Why? What's the purpose of that? Collective punishment and ethnic cleansing, no matter how you look at it, it is what it is. How can anyone defend this use of fucken force? Any human would be outraged at all this shit. The world was outraged at Germany in WW2 and got involved, maybe even too late, could've saved them from the holacust, but either way got involved. My how quickly we forget right? NEVER AGAIN, right? That's what everyone was saying then. Like byrnzie said, fucke them, they're brown skinned animals. Dnt deserve to share the same air as us all, right? It's fucken 2014, this shit shouldn't be happening in this fucken day.

Byrnzie · July 2014

badbrains said:

According to johnnies bballs those organizations aren't legit. And you shouldn't be affiliating yourself with such orgs. Or something like that, he's all over the place with throwing out lies and misrepresentations. I mean shit, byrnzie and you have put of facts after facts supported by links and sources, and he still calls bullshit. I just dnt get it, if something's wrong it's wrong. And what they're doing to the Palestinians is 100% wrong. Couple years ago they didn't allow strawberries and crayons into gaza! Really? Why? What's the purpose of that? Collective punishment and ethnic cleansing, no matter how you look at it, it is what it is. How can anyone defend this use of fucken force? Any human would be outraged at all this shit. The world was outraged at Germany in WW2 and got involved, maybe even too late, could've saved them from the holacust, but either way got involved. My how quickly we forget right? NEVER AGAIN, right? That's what everyone was saying then. Like byrnzie said, fucke them, they're brown skinned animals. Dnt deserve to share the same air as us all, right? It's fucken 2014, this shit shouldn't be happening in this fucken day.

It wouldn't be happening without the full support of the U.S government, which is why it's important for people to speak out. You're not gonna learn anything watching U.S T.V news, or by reading the fucking New York Times, or the BBC.
Maybe if enough Americans knew that $4 Billion of their taxes are being sent over to Israel every year and are being used to help murder women and children as part of Israel's ethnic cleansing campaign, then things could change.

benjs · July 2014

I just feel the need to say - after going on Facebook and seeing a Photoshopped picture of Mark Zuckerberg saying "I stand with Israel" (bullshit, by the way, the original has a note that simply reads "Thanks"), I'm disgusted by the comments on it flying back and forth. How any side thinks that spewing hatred can EVER lead to any semblance of peace is so far beyond me. I understand being heated, but when you're posting pictures of disfigured people with their own genitalia in their mouths (posted by an Israeli, by the way) - that's nauseating and inhumane. Absolutely, 100% revolting.

badbrains · July 2014

Here's something interesting

https://twitter.com/normfinkelstein/status/486916250316963841

Byrnzie · July 2014

badbrains said:
Here's something interesting

https://twitter.com/normfinkelstein/status/486916250316963841

Yeah, and according to some people, it's a level playing field, and they're both as bad as each other.

yosi · July 2014

Drowned Out said:
The bottom line in this situation is that as long as the occupation continues, Israel has no legal nor moral right whatsoever to military self defense against Palestinians. period.

I'm sorry, but that is utter nonsense. If I steal from you and you come after me with a knife I still have a right to defend myself. All the more so if you're coming after me in my own home. It is one thing for Hamas to use force against the Israeli military when they make incursions into Gaza. It is quite another to fire missiles into Israeli population centers. Deliberate targeting of civilians is unjustifiable, occupation or no.

yosi · July 2014

Echo... Echo...

Jewish Settler Attacks = Terrorism

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