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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited July 2014
    yosi said:

    Your desperation is truly pathetic Yosi. Instead of simply labeling the author of that article an anti-Semite and hoping it will stick, why don't you pick some actual quotations from it and then explain to us how they're false and/or anti-Semitic? I.e, did the Zionists not collaborate with the Nazis to some degree during WWII? This is not the first time I've heard it. Did they or didn't they?

    Either way, I can't see any clear evidence of anti-Semitism in that article. Not that that would be of any interest to you of course. Just the fact that he criticizes Israel makes him an anti-Semite, right?

    Here's what some notable people had to say about his 2011 book 'The Wandering Who? A Study of Jewish Identity Politics':

    'John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago wrote that "Gilad Atzmon has written a fascinating and provocative book on Jewish identity in the modern world" and that the book "should be widely read by Jews and non-Jews alike." Richard Falk wrote it was "absorbing and moving" book that everyone who "care[s] about real peace" should "not only read, but reflect upon and discuss widely." James Petras wrote that the book is "a series of brilliant illuminations and critical reflections on Jewish ethnocentrism and the hypocrisy of those who speak in the name of universal values and act tribal" which "uncovers the links between Jewish identity politics in the Diaspora with their ardent support for the oppressive policies of the Israeli state." He also wrote that Atzmon “has the courage to...speak truth to the power of highly placed and affluent Zionists who shape the agendas of war and peace in the English-speaking world."

    Yep, sounds like Goebbels himself.

    So this isn't you attempting to defend Gilad Atzmon? Funny, I thought it was.

    Of course you did. I read the article you posted in your lame attempt to label Counterpunch an anti-Semitic website. The article contains no evidence of anti-Semitism that I can determine at all, and your refusal to point it out to me is just more evidence of that. I then did a quick search of him on Wiki and found that passage. If he is indeed the racist hatemonger that you allege then I'm surprised that he's been praised by so many people of distinction.
    But you say he's a racist, and so he must be. And because some others have said the same thing, then he must be. Though I'm still waiting to hear how Counterpunch is an anti-Semitic website for posting that article. I suppose I'll be waiting for as long as it takes you to answer my question re: Michael Neumann, and your pathetic attempt at discrediting him.

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  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,154
    Oh, and by the way, it isn't only antisemitism. Counterpunch also publishes white supremacists.
    http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/2009/03/17/counterpunch-gives-platform-to-white-nationalism/
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi said:

    I didn't say that you said that. It's an imitation. I thought that was obvious.

    That's irrelevant. And it's against posting guidelines. So I suggest you don't try that shit again.

  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,154
    Byrnzie said:

    Seriously Yosi, take your lame accusations of anti-Semitism, your desperate attempts to defend Israel's racism and oppression of an entire people, and your slippery lawyers-tactics and outright lies, and try spinning this bullshit on somebody more gullible instead.

    I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about how you are getting your opinions from a conspiratorial racist reactionary website. I didn't realize that by pointing out that Counterpunch regularly publishes well known antisemites, neo-nazis, and white nationalists I was attempting to defend Israel.
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  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,154
    Here's another wonderful bit about Counterpunch. Counterpunch also has often welcomed Eric Walburg, a neo Nazi, to publish at their site. Walburg is also a Holocaust denier who, on the pages of CounterPunch, engaged in pro-Taliban propaganda. See for yourself:
    He's a neo-nazi (Atzmon also in there as a bonus): http://hurryupharry.org/2011/08/05/atzmon-and-walberg-two-nazis-discuss-marxism/
    One of his Counterpunch articles: http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/06/04/princess-patricia-and-the-taliban/
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi said:

    Oh, and by the way, it isn't only antisemitism. Counterpunch also publishes white supremacists.
    http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/2009/03/17/counterpunch-gives-platform-to-white-nationalism/

    Talking of racists Yosi - you support and defend a racist state, and make every desperate attempt in the book to excuse and justify the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.

    The word 'hypocrite' comes to mind.

    This thread was begun as a platform to discuss the Israeli settlers terrorism against the Palestinians, yet all you've done since you chimed in here is try desperately to paint me as an anti-Semite. And you use the fact that I posted an article by Counterpunch as 'proof' of that?
    It would be comical if it wasn't so fucking despicable.
  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    For the 1,000,000,000,000 time, bryrnzie ISNT an antisemite. Let's make this clear. And when people throw that shit around, they have no idea the damage it does nor will they. Especially when they themselves are Jewish. I suggest stop labeling and accusing byrnzie of being an anti-Semite. Shits not cool and very harmful.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi said:


    I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about how you are getting your opinions from a conspiratorial racist reactionary website. I didn't realize that by pointing out that Counterpunch regularly publishes well known antisemites, neo-nazis, and white nationalists I was attempting to defend Israel.

    Except it isn't a conspiratorial racist reactionary website. It's nothing of the sort.

    And regardless, the article I posted was by Michael Neumann, not any of these other authors you've trotted out, and for which you still haven't provided any evidence of racism except to post a bunch of quotes from others.
    Why don't we get back to the article I posted by Mchael Neumann? Is what he said true or false?


  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    edited July 2014
    badbrains said:

    For the 1,000,000,000,000 time, bryrnzie ISNT an antisemite. Let's make this clear. And when people throw that shit around, they have no idea the damage it does nor will they. Especially when they themselves are Jewish. I suggest stop labeling and accusing byrnzie of being an anti-Semite. Shits not cool and very harmful.

    It's the only thing he has. He has nothing else up his sleeve. I've rubbished all of his desperate attempts to excuse and justify Israel's oppression of the Palestinians, so now he has to play the racism card. It's the last pathetic and desperate attempt of someone with nowhere else to go.

    I'd almost feel sorry for hm if his bile wasn't so odious.

  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,154
    So what you're saying is that a conversation should never progress? Are settlers who attack Palestinians rightly labelled terrorists? Sure. The label fits. I believe I already have said that repeatedly. But of course, according to you I'm just trying to defend Israeli racism when I say that.

    Now that we've dispensed with your attempt to change the subject can we get back to the examination of how you regularly post articles from a website that is home to a panoply of crazy racists?
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  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,154
    Byrnzie said:

    yosi said:

    I didn't say that you said that. It's an imitation. I thought that was obvious.

    That's irrelevant. And it's against posting guidelines. So I suggest you don't try that shit again.

    Seriously? Satirical imitation is against posting guidelines? Didn't know that. Won't happen again, my oh so prickly on the ropes foil.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi said:

    Now that we've dispensed with your attempt to change the subject can we get back to the examination of how you regularly post articles from a website that is home to a panoply of crazy racists?

    Yeah, we can do that when you answer my questions. This isn't one way traffic.

    First of all, why did you repost that bullshit attack on MN that's already been exposed as redundant, and which I've already rubbished in this very thread?

    Secondly, regarding the article by Michael Neumann published in Counterpunch that got you frothing at the mouth with conspiracy theories about racism: What are your opinions on that article? Is what Michael Neumann said true or false? And how?

    Thirdly, let's take the Atzmon article you posted, an article which you claimed is evidence of anti-Semitism. Please point me to what specifically in that article constitutes evidence of anti-Semitism.
  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,154
    I said Atzmon is a well known antisemite regularly published by Counterpunch, and posted the article as an example of the latter. I didn't think that respectable people would disagree about him being an antisemite, but then I forgot who I was talking to.
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I'll check in again here tomorrow. It's 3am here.

    Yosi, Keep up the good work posting blogs and quotes from Israel apologists accusing Counterpunch of being an anti-Semitic website, and then using that as an attempt to label me a racist. It's very convincing.

    Or maybe you can answer my questions instead?

    I won't hold my breath.
  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,154
    On a lighter note:

    Israeli doctors perform life-saving heart surgery on 5 Palestinian children

    ‘This is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives.’ – Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH
    By Viva Sarah Press June 25, 2014

    Israeli doctors saved the life of Mohamed Ashgar from Gaza in 2012. (Photo by Sheila Shalhevet)
    As Israel carries on its search for kidnapped teenagers Gil-ad Shaar, Eyal Yifrach, and Naftali Fraenkel, Israeli doctors of Save a Child’s Heart (SACH) continue to save the lives of Palestinian children at the Wolfson Medical Center in Holon.

    Since the beginning of Operation Brother’s Keeper, five Palestinian children have undergone life-saving heart surgery at Wolfson, eight Palestinian children were admitted, including two urgent cases brought by ambulances from the West Bank and from Gaza, and 15 children are expected to arrive this week to the SACH free weekly cardiology clinic for Palestinian children.

    “Children are children”‘ says Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH chief surgeon, “for us it doesn’t matter where the children come from, every child deserves to receive the best medical treatment and children from both sides, shouldn’t be a part of the conflict.”

    The Israeli medical team of SACH says they are continuing with their activity without letting the situation around interfere or influence them.

    “We are continuing with our work, this is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives,” said Dr. Sasson.
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  • yosi
    yosi NYC Posts: 3,154
    Israel Sends Aid to Syrian Refugees
    Tuesday, July 1, 2014

    Although Israel and Syria are officially in a state of war, Israel has provided hundreds of tons of food aid to Syrian refugees in both Jordan and inside Syria. In the winter, Israel sent coats, blankets and sleeping bags, and in recent weeks thousands of Israeli youth collected money for basic foodstuffs including rice, flour and cooking oil.

    The aid was sent by Israeli Flying Aid, a non-profit that specializes in sending aid to countries with which Israel does not have diplomatic relations. “It is rare that Israeli children volunteer to help Syrian children who are seen as their enemies,” Birkat Klimshtein-Levy, a member of the Executive Committee of Israeli Flying Aid told The Media Line. “We make sure there are no labels in Hebrew on anything because that could endanger the Syrians who receive the aid.”

    Klimshtein-Levy was speaking at a ceremony with Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu at the Prime Minister’s office, to recognize the organization and the many young volunteers who participated in the current drive.

    “There is a dividing line and it passes along the Golan Heights border,” Netanyahu told the dozens of young people in his office, referring to the area that Israel acquired from Syria in 1967 and later annexed. “On one side are murderers who gas civilians, and on the other is an Israeli field hospital where Israeli doctors and nurses, Jewish and non-Jewish, help Syrians.”

    In the past week, tensions have increased across the Israel-Syrian border after a 14-year-old Israeli boy was killed by Syrian government troops. The Syrian government said they mistakenly thought the vehicle he was in with his father close to the Israeli border belonged to rebel groups.

    Some 800 Syrians have been treated in Israeli hospitals, and then returned to Syria. That has received widespread coverage. But this effort, which involves thousands of Israeli youth, and the donation of millions of dollars of goods has not been publicized.

    “My campers sold lemonade and popsicles and then we gave the money to buy food for the Syrian refugees,” Belle Yaacobi, a 16-year-old counselor for the Tzofim youth movement told The Media Line. “We don’t really care where the people are from. We just want to help.”

    There were also youth representatives from the Arab sector of Hanoar Halomed Vehaoved, a dovish group that is affiliated with workers groups in Israel. “We teach humanity and helping the other,” Ihab Abu Leil, a coordinator of the group in a village near Nazareth. “In our movement there is no room for racism. We have to work to lessen racism in Israeli society.”

    He said there are 18,000 Arab students who participate in the youth movement, along with about 80,000 Jewish Israelis. His charges raised money to buy clothes, blankets and baby food for Syrian refugees.

    Israeli Flying Aid is an all-volunteer organization founded by a group of Israelis who want to help victims of conflict and disaster all over the world. Begun in 2005, it has helped earthquake victims in Indonesia, India and Pakistan, as well as disaster victims from Hurricane Katrina in the US.

    The Syrian refugee crisis is a growing humanitarian issue. The UN High Commissioner for Refugees recently said that the crisis is the largest humanitarian crisis since World War II. The total number of refugees and displaced persons is estimated at 9.5 million out of a total of 22.5 million people. Several Arab countries including Lebanon and Jordan are struggling to cope with the flood of refugees.

    “Our moral obligation is to be the voice of the voiceless,” Gal Lousky, the head of Israeli Flying Aid told Netanyahu and the Israeli high school students. “Israel is strong enough to protect our borders, and we will continue to protect the women and children of our enemies.”
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi said:

    On a lighter note:

    Israeli doctors perform life-saving heart surgery on 5 Palestinian children

    ‘This is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives.’ – Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH
    By Viva Sarah Press June 25, 2014

    Israeli doctors saved the life of Mohamed Ashgar from Gaza in 2012. (Photo by Sheila Shalhevet)
    As Israel carries on its search for kidnapped teenagers Gil-ad Shaar, Eyal Yifrach, and Naftali Fraenkel, Israeli doctors of Save a Child’s Heart (SACH) continue to save the lives of Palestinian children at the Wolfson Medical Center in Holon.

    Since the beginning of Operation Brother’s Keeper, five Palestinian children have undergone life-saving heart surgery at Wolfson, eight Palestinian children were admitted, including two urgent cases brought by ambulances from the West Bank and from Gaza, and 15 children are expected to arrive this week to the SACH free weekly cardiology clinic for Palestinian children.

    “Children are children”‘ says Dr. Lior Sasson, SACH chief surgeon, “for us it doesn’t matter where the children come from, every child deserves to receive the best medical treatment and children from both sides, shouldn’t be a part of the conflict.”

    The Israeli medical team of SACH says they are continuing with their activity without letting the situation around interfere or influence them.

    “We are continuing with our work, this is what distinguishes us as Israelis, the ability to ignore what is happening around and continue with our sacred work of saving children’s lives,” said Dr. Sasson.

    Totally fucking shameless.

    How many children has Israel murdered over the past year? In fact, how many has it murdered over the past week?

  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Yosi, instead of trotting out every single Hasbara talking point that you can find on IDF.com, why don't you answer my questions instead?
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    yosi said:

    Oh, and by the way, it isn't only antisemitism. Counterpunch also publishes white supremacists.
    http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/2009/03/17/counterpunch-gives-platform-to-white-nationalism/

    That's funny, i can find nothing here that shows Paul Craig Roberts to be a white supremacist racist: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Craig_Roberts

    But I suppose Yosi expects us to just take his word for it, and the word of the person who wrote the blog piece he provided a link to.

  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Yosi, are CNN, ABC, Al Jazeera, The Huffington Post, Global Research, and the Guardian, e.t.c, all anti-Semitic?
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