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  • QuarterToTen
    QuarterToTen Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 3,649
    Taking advantage of the weak, the meek, the polite, the respectful, those with a true sense of right and wrong is abhorrent, despicable, disgusting behavior in any situation. The bullying tactics used by those possessing the capability to intimidate and refusing someone their rightful place in line to see this band we all love is the worst example of selfish, self righteous, egotistical behavior.

    Such a shame that the Ten Club actually had to step in to put a stop to what any rationally thinking person knows is simply wrong. Hopefully this will put and end to this absurdity once and for all.
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,461
    Its not going away until EVERYONE comments. \:D/
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    Thanks for the confirmation folks. :)

    The confusion came in, I believe, because this was handled in a fairly bizarre way by 10c.
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  • Olivavu
    Olivavu England Posts: 1,683
    edited June 2014
    If you want to get in early and grab a spot near the front - then queue up.

    Otherwise go to the back of the line.

    Or just fuck off and stop being selfish pricks.

    I would expect better from PJ fans than this kind of behaviour.

    I'm honestly disgusted by it.
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  • 100 Pacer
    100 Pacer Toronto, ON Posts: 9,324
    PJ_Soul said:

    Thanks for the confirmation folks. :)

    The confusion came in, I believe, because this was handled in a fairly bizarre way by 10c.

    How was it bizarre? An issue was brought to their attention, they combed through all the orders and contacted those with GA tickets to advise them of the current policy.

    Seems reasonable to me.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    edited June 2014
    100 Pacer said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thanks for the confirmation folks. :)

    The confusion came in, I believe, because this was handled in a fairly bizarre way by 10c.

    How was it bizarre? An issue was brought to their attention, they combed through all the orders and contacted those with GA tickets to advise them of the current policy.

    Seems reasonable to me.
    It's the fact that a piece of paper was somehow distributed on the sidewalk before any email was ever sent. And combine that with the fact that 10c actually earlier stated that they would not be getting good involved with this issue, and then got involved by handing out flyers, apparently. Strikes me as strange, and definitely the cause of my doubt in the authenticity of the message.
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  • stankratz
    stankratz Posts: 183
    edited June 2014
    We had a good thing, a great thing (PJ visiting Europe plus the opportunity of 10c tickets for early entry/pit access) and now because of the actions of a minority the whole thing could be fúcked. I never queued early, but if I did and some nobody came up to me demanding to see some unofficial number to validate my hard-earned place in a line to a rock concert, I would take the utmost pleasure in fúcking them off from 10 heights. 'Well done' to 10c for moving to kill this line/list BS, it's just a shame and embarrassing that it had to come to that. The people who created and oversaw this unofficial list system to the point of exploitation and alienation go against everything I see this band promoting, shame on you fúckers.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    100 Pacer said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thanks for the confirmation folks. :)

    The confusion came in, I believe, because this was handled in a fairly bizarre way by 10c.

    How was it bizarre? An issue was brought to their attention, they combed through all the orders and contacted those with GA tickets to advise them of the current policy.

    Seems reasonable to me.
    Given the way tickets are traded and extras sold, it stands to reason there is any number of GA ticket holders who 10c has no record of. By emailing only those who purchased tickets directly I'm sure there are some who have been missed. Maybe not many, but some nonetheless.

    Regardless, this was a positive move by 10c. I applaud them for it.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    edited June 2014
    JimmyV said:

    100 Pacer said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    Thanks for the confirmation folks. :)

    The confusion came in, I believe, because this was handled in a fairly bizarre way by 10c.

    How was it bizarre? An issue was brought to their attention, they combed through all the orders and contacted those with GA tickets to advise them of the current policy.

    Seems reasonable to me.
    Given the way tickets are traded and extras sold, it stands to reason there is any number of GA ticket holders who 10c has no record of. By emailing only those who purchased tickets directly I'm sure there are some who have been missed. Maybe not many, but some nonetheless.

    Regardless, this was a positive move by 10c. I applaud them for it.
    Yeah, there is that too. Just would have expected 10c to make an official statement a whole lot more official, lol. The way they did it, it almost seems like they're trying to keep it a secret, lol. Making a point of getting it to as few people as possible. :P

    But yes, that they did anything at all is great! So curious to hear about what happens now... what are the listers going to do?? Try and invent some new scam?
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    Its not going away until EVERYONE comments. \:D/

    Honest question for you, you use the list for the tour? I mean, you seem to be the one that's pretty much complaining about people complaining about the list. Serious question. Because pretty much EVERYONE has a problem with this list and these people abusing this list. But you seem to have a problem with everyone complaining about it. You dnt like people complaining about this list, stop coming to the thread. Simple problem solved. List is garbage and anyone who abused is just as shitty. To take advantage of people who are there to see pearl jam just because they dnt know about this so called list. Come on bro.
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    edited June 2014
    This forum and lines outside the shows were rife with "list" issues during most every stop of the 1st and second legs of the Initial Lightning Bolt 2013 tour, not just this brief swing through Europe.

    I'm glad they sent the email, no matter how strange. The only thing I wish had happened is that it was sent out it as the tour began, and not so late in the game. Including tonight, and the 2 shows in England, there are only 3 more non-festival shows on this leg,

    Let's do our best to keep this nonsense off the upcoming fall tour, too. If that means an email to GA ticket holding 10c members before every show, making sure everyone is clear, so we dont have to put up with the "entitled" attempting to "organize" the relatively simple procedure that is a line, then I'm down with that.

    FYI I'm holding reserved for the fall, so it wont be my issue.
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  • Olivavu
    Olivavu England Posts: 1,683
    I would be interested to see if any of these selfish arseholes are prepared to defend this nasty list.
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  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    Olivavu said:

    I would be interested to see if any of these selfish arseholes are prepared to defend this nasty list.

    Who is everyone hating here? The people that ran the lists or everyone who was on the list? Because just about everybody here that is calling people out and saying they would do this and that and blah, blah would have jumped right on that list if they got to the gig and had number 20 or something. I think everyone is being a little to self righteous here. I was at 4 shows so far and didn't hear anyone complain. And no, I was not on the list, I had seats.

  • Olivavu
    Olivavu England Posts: 1,683
    The people running the lists, primarily.

    It's simple:

    If you want to be near the front of the queue, then get there early and queue.

    Otherwise, join the back of the queue when you arrive.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    edited June 2014
    eddiec said:

    Olivavu said:

    I would be interested to see if any of these selfish arseholes are prepared to defend this nasty list.

    Who is everyone hating here? The people that ran the lists or everyone who was on the list? Because just about everybody here that is calling people out and saying they would do this and that and blah, blah would have jumped right on that list if they got to the gig and had number 20 or something. I think everyone is being a little to self righteous here. I was at 4 shows so far and didn't hear anyone complain. And no, I was not on the list, I had seats.

    Why would you have heard anyone complaining if you weren't even anywhere near the GA line? I have never been in a list, but I've witnessed the chaos that ensues when the time when doors open gets near and suddenly 100 people show up and go to the front of the line. I'm talking screaming, yelling, etc... and it's not angry fans getting screwed who are yelling either (we all.talk to earn have other about how much bullshit it all is). It's the dick heads running the list and the ones cutting to the front of the line who are acting insane. They start yelling at everyone who won't back up and let them all slip back into line after being gone for hours. They get panicky and angry when hundreds in line won't make room for the cheaters. It's disgusting. The scene right before doors opening in Vancouver last year was absolutely shameful. I don't know how some of those people sleep at night.
    You think that it's self-righteous to call out scammers and cheaters?
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  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959

    No, I think it's self righteous to for everybody to bash a list when in all probability they would join it if their number was low.

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    edited June 2014
    eddiec said:


    No, I think it's self righteous to for everybody to bash a list when in all probability they would join it if their number was low.

    Sorry, that doesn't make sense. That people's names are written on a paper isn't the point. The point is that people leave the line for huge chunks of time and then come back and cut right in front of the people.who have been waiting all day. People who have their name on the list but sit in line the whole time aren't the problem. The list allows people to abuse the system (and that fans take it upon themselves to start a list and make up rules for everyone is very troubling). That is the issue and why the list has to go all together.
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  • melissachun
    melissachun Posts: 107
    edited June 2014
    eddiec said:

    Olivavu said:

    I would be interested to see if any of these selfish arseholes are prepared to defend this nasty list.

    Who is everyone hating here? The people that ran the lists or everyone who was on the list? Because just about everybody here that is calling people out and saying they would do this and that and blah, blah would have jumped right on that list if they got to the gig and had number 20 or something. I think everyone is being a little to self righteous here. I was at 4 shows so far and didn't hear anyone complain. And no, I was not on the list, I had seats.

    It's not about "hating" and we are not the ones being self-righteous. The whole point is the list isn't merely a list of those in line. It is/was used as a means by which a handful of people could manipulate the system, to save spots for others who would not or could not wait in line. Those who joined the list were either unaware of the sinister motives of its creators, or knew but decided to take part anyway, really making them no better than the ones who started it. Yes, it would be nice to check in once and be free to leave, go have fun, and return right before showtime, ignoring the fact that many, many others arrived after me and stayed the duration. But that is not how PJ GA rules are set up. They clearly state it is first come, first served. If show up and there are already 100 people in line, good for them, they obviously wanted it more than me and will happily be #101. But if I show up, there are 10 people in line, then all of a sudden I'm told that I am actually #101 because of a list created by self-appointed line monitors, that's total bs. If you want to go to preparties or can't wait in line, go for reserved tix or accept the fact you will be joining the GA line at the end.
  • eddiec
    eddiec Posts: 3,959
    PJ_Soul said:

    eddiec said:


    No, I think it's self righteous to for everybody to bash a list when in all probability they would join it if their number was low.

    Sorry, the doesn't make sense. That people's names are written on a paper isn't the point. The point is that people leave the line for huge chunks of time and then come back and cut right in front of the people.who have been waiting all day. People who have their name on the list but sit in line the whole time aren't the problem. The list allows people to abuse the system (and that fans take it upon themselves to start a list and make up rules for everyone is very troubling). That is the issue and why the list has to go all together.
    I'm with you on that point...I don't think people should be allowed to leave other than for a bathroom break or food. The list is too easy to abuse and no, I don't agree with it unless it is an official list run by 10c. But everyone here acting all tough and saying what they would do if confronted with a list system is mostly BS. If you get to a show and you're number 10, well, after all the tough words here, you're probably gonna join that list. That's all I meant by self righteousness.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,674
    edited June 2014
    eddiec said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    eddiec said:


    No, I think it's self righteous to for everybody to bash a list when in all probability they would join it if their number was low.

    Sorry, the doesn't make sense. That people's names are written on a paper isn't the point. The point is that people leave the line for huge chunks of time and then come back and cut right in front of the people.who have been waiting all day. People who have their name on the list but sit in line the whole time aren't the problem. The list allows people to abuse the system (and that fans take it upon themselves to start a list and make up rules for everyone is very troubling). That is the issue and why the list has to go all together.
    I'm with you on that point...I don't think people should be allowed to leave other than for a bathroom break or food. The list is too easy to abuse and no, I don't agree with it unless it is an official list run by 10c. But everyone here acting all tough and saying what they would do if confronted with a list system is mostly BS. If you get to a show and you're number 10, well, after all the tough words here, you're probably gonna join that list. That's all I meant by self righteousness.
    Well, i can't speak for anyone else, but there is no way I'd put my name on that list. I'd just get in line and tell anyone who tries to cut in front of me to go fuck themselves.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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