America's Gun Violence

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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    ah, Billie Jo. of course. Responsible gun owners only go by one name, dontcha know?
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  • callen
    callen Posts: 6,388
    Have a gun story every day in Houston. Kids shooting themselves. Taking guns to school. Yesterday guy shot himself while driving. Humans not very smart. Oh well. Let's open carry. Woohoo.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Godfather. said:

    agreeed, if weed was controled like liquor or cigeretts that would be fine in my opinion but as you said those dealers slinging weed would just move up the ladder to the harder drugs.

    Godfather.

    I never used to be down with what I am about to propose, but we might have to look at the legalization of more than just pot.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Godfather. said:

    agreeed, if weed was controled like liquor or cigeretts that would be fine in my opinion but as you said those dealers slinging weed would just move up the ladder to the harder drugs.

    Godfather.

    I never used to be down with what I am about to propose, but we might have to look at the legalization of more than just pot.
    can you tell me why you were not down with it before. I am very interested in why people think that way?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    fife said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Godfather. said:

    agreeed, if weed was controled like liquor or cigeretts that would be fine in my opinion but as you said those dealers slinging weed would just move up the ladder to the harder drugs.

    Godfather.

    I never used to be down with what I am about to propose, but we might have to look at the legalization of more than just pot.
    can you tell me why you were not down with it before. I am very interested in why people think that way?
    If we choose to make drugs illegal... it would be to keep people safe from the harmful mental and physical health problems associated with drug usage. But our reality is that the people who are interested in doing drugs... do them. Outside of a day here or a day there where users cannot 'find' them, the usage is supported through illegal means.

    So... after much thought... given people are going to take drugs regardless of concern for personal health, society would do well (and better) to assume control for the manufacturing, processing and distribution of them- generating immense profit as well as exercising control over the drugs' quality (ensuring baseline safety measures).

    That's my two cents.
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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    fife said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Godfather. said:

    agreeed, if weed was controled like liquor or cigeretts that would be fine in my opinion but as you said those dealers slinging weed would just move up the ladder to the harder drugs.

    Godfather.

    I never used to be down with what I am about to propose, but we might have to look at the legalization of more than just pot.
    can you tell me why you were not down with it before. I am very interested in why people think that way?
    If we choose to make drugs illegal... it would be to keep people safe from the harmful mental and physical health problems associated with drug usage. But our reality is that the people who are interested in doing drugs... do them. Outside of a day here or a day there where users cannot 'find' them, the usage is supported through illegal means.

    So... after much thought... given people are going to take drugs regardless of concern for personal health, society would do well (and better) to assume control for the manufacturing, processing and distribution of them- generating immense profit as well as exercising control over the drugs' quality (ensuring baseline safety measures).

    That's my two cents.
    Thanks for answering. I have been a big proponent of decriminalization of all substances. it has always seemed very selection of what is a legal drug and what is a illegal drug. for example, why is alcohol legal and say pot is illegal. when if you think about it, pot does have more medical reason for use as compared to alcohol.

    Inhalants are some of the worse drugs but they are easily found in anyones house.


  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    sorry one last point, I personally believe that the reason we in the west will never decriminalize drugs is because in reality the war on drugs has works. its worked to make people believe that they are better than so called drug user when in reality we are all drug users in some shape or form. some are just more acceptable drugs users.
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    fife said:


    Thanks for answering. I have been a big proponent of decriminalization of all substances. it has always seemed very selection of what is a legal drug and what is a illegal drug. for example, why is alcohol legal and say pot is illegal. when if you think about it, pot does have more medical reason for use as compared to alcohol.

    Inhalants are some of the worse drugs but they are easily found in anyones house.


    I saw an episode of Intervention about a young woman who couldn't stay away from inhalants. Fucking sad.

    When there's a will, you know? Look at bath salts, or that other new designer drug someone posted about recently. Sure your brain may fry, you may even try to eat a fellow human being - but hey, why not?

    You can even talk about meds prescribed with virtually no forethought by doctors - vicoden, percocet, oxycontin, etc. Shit, look at the possible side effects (always rattled off quickly) from drugs that are advertised all over the place for arthritis, COPD, chronic pain...

    Anti-depressants may cause suicidal thoughts?

    Sure, makes sense!

    I don't have the answers, but what's happening these days doesn't seem to be working very well.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,135
    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Jason P, what did you ever do to run afoul of President Obama? Breathe?
    Peace.


    See that's the funny part, it's not just him, it's ALL of them.

    Seriously before saying that the pending legislation isn't out there, do some research.
    Boo!

    All of who?

    Seriously, please enumerate which Constitutional rights you've lost and what "pending" legislation you're so ever so fearful of. You do own a gun, correct?

    Peace.

    I really don't want to go and re-hash all of the same stuff again. It's been discussed before, I'm sure you know how to google.

    However I will give the Cliff Notes, search on Connecticut and in my home state of Illinois there was legislation last year that would turn a law-abiding person into a felon by charging the person with a felony for EACH magazine owned that was larger than 10 rounds.

    Any rational person can see how that is simply ridiculous.
    Any rational person can see how not limiting magazine capacity is simply ridiculous.

    Peace.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    unsung said:

    The higher control there is on a primary market would create a black market at higher levels.

    Who here believes that Chicago gang bangers buy their guns at gun stores or gun shows?

    Is it only gang bangers that don't buy their guns at gun stores or gun shows? I assume you'd be for greater enforcement of inventory control and sales records, particularly of multiple purchases of firearms, otherwise known as straw purchases, by the ATF, from manufacturer to licensed gun dealer?

    Peace is bad for business.

    Peace.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    unsung said:

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    Where is this information from? I can't confirm it. Have a link to the source?

    Peace.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    unsung said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Jason P, what did you ever do to run afoul of President Obama? Breathe?
    Peace.


    See that's the funny part, it's not just him, it's ALL of them.

    Seriously before saying that the pending legislation isn't out there, do some research.
    Boo!

    All of who?

    Seriously, please enumerate which Constitutional rights you've lost and what "pending" legislation you're so ever so fearful of. You do own a gun, correct?

    Peace.

    I really don't want to go and re-hash all of the same stuff again. It's been discussed before, I'm sure you know how to google.

    However I will give the Cliff Notes, search on Connecticut and in my home state of Illinois there was legislation last year that would turn a law-abiding person into a felon by charging the person with a felony for EACH magazine owned that was larger than 10 rounds.

    Any rational person can see how that is simply ridiculous.
    Any rational person can see how not limiting magazine capacity is simply ridiculous.

    Peace.
    no shit. jesus.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/26/13-year-old-wa-boy-kills-14-year-old-friend-while-playfully-pointing-rifles-at-one-another/

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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Gern Blansten said:

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/26/13-year-old-wa-boy-kills-14-year-old-friend-while-playfully-pointing-rifles-at-one-another/

    in all fairness, I don't think pointing out these stories really helps the "limiting guns" argument. they were probably hunting rifles that weren't properly stored, and the owner should be charged. it's not like this was two kids playing with semi-automatics and riddling each other with 10 rounds.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    Right but it's all part of our "gun culture" that the right wingers love to promote.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/02/first-day-of-guns-everywhere-law-in-ga-sparks-convenience-store-showdown/
    Chief Childress told the Daily Times that not even he and his officers have the authority to demand to see gun owners’ permits under the new law.

    “This is an example of my concern with the new gun law,” he said, “that people will take the law into their own hands, which we will not tolerate.”
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Gern Blansten said:

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/02/first-day-of-guns-everywhere-law-in-ga-sparks-convenience-store-showdown/

    Chief Childress told the Daily Times that not even he and his officers have the authority to demand to see gun owners’ permits under the new law.

    “This is an example of my concern with the new gun law,” he said, “that people will take the law into their own hands, which we will not tolerate.”
    luckily they didn't shoot themselves. I wonder in a state like Florida that has a stand your ground law if this incident would have been different i.e. someone is shot dead.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    It's crazy...we are really creating an environment where you can shoot someone and get away with it as long as there are no witnesses to refute your story. "He attacked me so I shot him" is hard to prosecute with no witnesses.
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    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • i_lov_it
    i_lov_it Perth, Western Australia Posts: 4,007
    It's Embedded so Deeply into American Culture...Really it should be a Privilege rather then a Right to own a Gun.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    i_lov_it said:

    It's Embedded so Deeply into American Culture...Really it should be a Privilege rather then a Right to own a Gun.

    depending on your definition of what a right is, gun ownership is not a right.

    for me this is what a right is:
    A right is universal—meaning: it applies to all men, not just to a few. There is no such thing as a "right" for one man, or a group of men, that is not possessed by all. This means there are no special "rights" unique to women or men, blacks or white, the elderly or the young, homosexuals or heterosexuals, the rich or the poor, doctors or patients or any other group.

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