America's Gun Violence

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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    unsung said:

    fife said:

    quick question: Should people convicted of a crime be allowed to buy a gun?

    I was thinking about that when i read about guns being used for protection.

    If they served their time, yes.

    another quick question, is there anyone out there that should not be able to buy a gun?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,297
    That rule actually makes a lot of sence. Why would firing a warning shot garner punishment when shooting someone does not in self defense?
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  • unsung
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    fife said:

    unsung said:

    fife said:

    quick question: Should people convicted of a crime be allowed to buy a gun?

    I was thinking about that when i read about guns being used for protection.

    If they served their time, yes.

    another quick question, is there anyone out there that should not be able to buy a gun?
    Yep.

  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    unsung said:

    fife said:

    unsung said:

    fife said:

    quick question: Should people convicted of a crime be allowed to buy a gun?

    I was thinking about that when i read about guns being used for protection.

    If they served their time, yes.

    another quick question, is there anyone out there that should not be able to buy a gun?
    Yep.

    can you tell me who those people are and why you say that?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    To me, if the individual ever used a firearm in the act of another crime and the mentally insane.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    gun crime in the US won't change without a monumental cultural shift.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Godfather. said:

    ban weapons and legalize drugs ? :))

    Godfather.

    Yes.

    What's so funny? People who smoke dope don't typically go shoot people. You wanna get high and shoot some people?

    It's people who sell dope that typically kill people. Take the lucrative illegal market from them and their motivation to kill rival dealers or kill people while ripping them off is gone.

    People are going to smoke dope. It makes perfect sense to change the manufacturing, processing and distribution methodology to an industry model which sees profits fall into the hands of working people and society as opposed to the criminal element that regulates itself with violence.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
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    I agree that marijuana should be legalized, but then those dealers would just end up moving up the chain to cocaine or heroin, and just as much or more blood would be spilled. and you can't legalize hard drugs. in my opinion, anyway.
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  • fife
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    Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

    I agree that marijuana should be legalized, but then those dealers would just end up moving up the chain to cocaine or heroin, and just as much or more blood would be spilled. and you can't legalize hard drugs. in my opinion, anyway.

    countries like Portugal has decriminalize all drugs and it has worked. would you be OK with decriminalizing drugs?
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
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    fife said:



    Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

    I agree that marijuana should be legalized, but then those dealers would just end up moving up the chain to cocaine or heroin, and just as much or more blood would be spilled. and you can't legalize hard drugs. in my opinion, anyway.

    countries like Portugal has decriminalize all drugs and it has worked. would you be OK with decriminalizing drugs?
    interesting. I have no idea what the ramifications would be to decriminalizing hard drugs. But I don't think it would be a good thing. Why would we want to allow/encourage the use of drugs that kill you and cause all kinds of social harm? I know that people say "druggies aren't criminals", but giving someone a ticket/fine for doing that wouldn't be any deterrent. Decriminalizing something like that might be sending the wrong message, don't you think? Right now our kids are taught to be shit scared of drugs like that. If they aren't illegal, then why not try it?

    I'd be interested to learn more about why Portugal did that. What was their drug culture like to begin with? out of control where they had no choice but to take the criminal element out of the equation as their jails were full of people in withdrawal? or not enough hard drug use to be concerned about doing so?
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  • fife
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    Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

    fife said:



    Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

    I agree that marijuana should be legalized, but then those dealers would just end up moving up the chain to cocaine or heroin, and just as much or more blood would be spilled. and you can't legalize hard drugs. in my opinion, anyway.

    countries like Portugal has decriminalize all drugs and it has worked. would you be OK with decriminalizing drugs?
    interesting. I have no idea what the ramifications would be to decriminalizing hard drugs. But I don't think it would be a good thing. Why would we want to allow/encourage the use of drugs that kill you and cause all kinds of social harm? I know that people say "druggies aren't criminals", but giving someone a ticket/fine for doing that wouldn't be any deterrent. Decriminalizing something like that might be sending the wrong message, don't you think? Right now our kids are taught to be shit scared of drugs like that. If they aren't illegal, then why not try it?

    I'd be interested to learn more about why Portugal did that. What was their drug culture like to begin with? out of control where they had no choice but to take the criminal element out of the equation as their jails were full of people in withdrawal? or not enough hard drug use to be concerned about doing so?
    here is an interesting article about Portugal. http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html
    to answer your questions which are very good. I do believe that there is a difference between allowing and encouraging. we allow people to smoke cigarettes but we don't encourage it. I don't know if scaring kids is the right way to make sure that they don't try any substances. if you consider the amount of money that the west spends on policing and prison for substance users, we could use that money for education.

    Portugal did have a lot of injecting drug users and from what I understand that was one of the reason for this plan which btw is now been around since 2001.
  • fife
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    sorry also, if you look at how addiction services are now there tends to be a growing belief in harm reduction. that is why cities like Vancouver in Canada have such places like Insite which allows people to use in a safe place. I am a firm believer that addictions is more of a health issue and therefore should be treated like a health issue.
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
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    You know, a light kind of went on when you said "public health issue". Excellent point.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
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    It is the same as prostitution to me. The fact that the supreme court of canada struck down that law as unconstitutional, only for the harper government to use that to further vilify the profession was a step in the wrong direction. Legalize it and regulate it. Simple as pie. Everybody wins.
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  • fife
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    unsung said:

    To me, if the individual ever used a firearm in the act of another crime and the mentally insane.

    Thanks for answering that question. sorry another quick question. so would you agree that government does infact have a right to limit what some people believe is a right?
  • Godfather.
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    agreeed, if weed was controled like liquor or cigeretts that would be fine in my opinion but as you said those dealers slinging weed would just move up the ladder to the harder drugs.

    Godfather.
  • fife
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    Godfather. said:

    agreeed, if weed was controled like liquor or cigeretts that would be fine in my opinion but as you said those dealers slinging weed would just move up the ladder to the harder drugs.

    Godfather.

    I still kind of question this. lets be honest, you can make a shit load more money dealing crack, heroin than pot so I don't know if there would be a rush for people to become crack dealers.

    maybe its my own sterotype but i see pot dealers as guys who deal pot but not really drug dealers (if that makes any sense)

  • mickeyrat
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    fife said:

    Godfather. said:

    agreeed, if weed was controled like liquor or cigeretts that would be fine in my opinion but as you said those dealers slinging weed would just move up the ladder to the harder drugs.

    Godfather.

    I still kind of question this. lets be honest, you can make a shit load more money dealing crack, heroin than pot so I don't know if there would be a rush for people to become crack dealers.

    maybe its my own sterotype but i see pot dealers as guys who deal pot but not really drug dealers (if that makes any sense)

    think the distinction is in whether or not one feels pot is a drug to begin with.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
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    I know what fife is saying. Most pot dealers (the ones I've known) aren't dudes with guns killing others for territory. they're guys who like to sit in their apartment all day watching tv and smoking weed, so they sell it so they can maintain that lifestyle. I think there's enough made domestically (Canada/US) that there doesn't need to be high level cartel guys for weed. Maybe there is, I don't know. But that isn't where I'd imagine the big money is. Although, your customers never die of it! they are lifelong clientele!
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