Ontario spring bear hunt to resume

ban the guns, give them a knife and then see how tough these mother fuckers are

i wish folks looking after bears could just shoot bear hunters this spring. think about it, folks. how fucking useless is a fucking guy when he's killing bears for no reason. same with mountain lion big tough hunters pulling the triggers on these cats. this is bizarre behavior & many step up to the plate just to shoot & kill something.

to bad these nasty folks can't be thrown off a cliff or something

rgambs said:

If you aren't a vegetarian you have no right to judge a hunter.

So these people are eating the bears?

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

without hunters and all the fees they pay for their sport we would not have the national parks, forests, and wildernesses that we have today, and the measely ones we would have would have zero funding because hikers hike for free. The most beautiful spot in all of West Virginia is only accesible because bear hunters painfully cleared a trail through 6 miles of tangled Rhododendron, so I appreciate that effort. Spring bear baiting is a shameful tactic that a self-respecting hunter would never use.
If you aren't a vegetarian you have no right to judge a hunter.

National parks are federal. I'm pretty sure hunting fees are state fees. I don't see the state turning over their hunting to fees to the federal government ... at least here in Canada that's how it works.

it is an interesting and complicated relationship the state and federal "parks" share. In the case I referred to, the exact most beautiful spot in WV lies within the Monongahela Nat. Forest, Dolly Sods Nat. Wilderness, Seneca Rocks Nat. Rec. Area, and possibly Spruce Knob State Park (not sure of the boundaries) While you are correct that hunting licenses are paid to the state, I think the Fed gets a cut...pretty sure I read that somewhere but I can't stand on it. I know that hunters pay and hikers don't and if I had the internet I could whip up some links to illustrate.
Aside from that, in America Teddy Roosevelt started the whole public lands trend to preserve the animals he liked to kill. Muir was the man, but without Teddy, all our parks would be like Niagara, where you have to pay just to put your eyeballs on it.

rgambs said:

lukin2006 said:

rgambs said:

without hunters and all the fees they pay for their sport we would not have the national parks, forests, and wildernesses that we have today, and the measely ones we would have would have zero funding because hikers hike for free. The most beautiful spot in all of West Virginia is only accesible because bear hunters painfully cleared a trail through 6 miles of tangled Rhododendron, so I appreciate that effort. Spring bear baiting is a shameful tactic that a self-respecting hunter would never use.
If you aren't a vegetarian you have no right to judge a hunter.

National parks are federal. I'm pretty sure hunting fees are state fees. I don't see the state turning over their hunting to fees to the federal government ... at least here in Canada that's how it works.

it is an interesting and complicated relationship the state and federal "parks" share. In the case I referred to, the exact most beautiful spot in WV lies within the Monongahela Nat. Forest, Dolly Sods Nat. Wilderness, Seneca Rocks Nat. Rec. Area, and possibly Spruce Knob State Park (not sure of the boundaries) While you are correct that hunting licenses are paid to the state, I think the Fed gets a cut...pretty sure I read that somewhere but I can't stand on it. I know that hunters pay and hikers don't and if I had the internet I could whip up some links to illustrate.
Aside from that, in America Teddy Roosevelt started the whole public lands trend to preserve the animals he liked to kill. Muir was the man, but without Teddy, all our parks would be like Niagara, where you have to pay just to put your eyeballs on it.

The problem with giving TR all the credit he gets for creating parks is that when we hear this we are rarely told also that his original intent was to set aside large areas for him and his elite country club buddies to do their hunting. It was not really an altruistic gesture.

Here's my two suggestions for allowing hunting:

1. Realistic suggestion: If hunters are hunting for food should it not be because they need that food for survival? We live in a society in which hunting is also exclusively unnecessary. AND if someone is going to hunt they should go the full measure and live totally off the land. No weekend warrior hunting. Seems like a fair choice: live in civilization or live off the land- no going back and forth as one pleases- that's cheating!

2. Not-so realistic suggestion but hey, why not! Try this one on: We humans have outgrown our numbers. Without the cheap non-renewable energy source that is oil we would be well beyond carrying capacity. Considering that and the reasonable idea of fairness, why not take the same percentage of our population as the percentage of animals hunted and feed that percentage of people to wild animals? Kill one out of 10 bears, feed one out of 10 people to bears. And since it is the hunters that choose to do the killing they should step up to the plate and be the hunted. The bear population will be more stable and 9 out of 10 hunters will be happy. Seems fair, right?

rgambs said:

i agree that the attitude of many hunters is just sad and pathetic looking from the outside. I also empathize because I enjoy fishing and there is an instinctual drive to bring in the biggest, most impressive game. Although the macho-man attitude is annoying at the least, I personally don't care why an animal is killed, only the amount of suffering it is subjected to in life and death. Eat it, don't eat it, the animal doesn't know, doesn't care, and it doesn't really matter.

But rgambs, it does matter because we are driving too many species out of existence. And I believe all unnecessary death is very unfortunate. Dang- gotta go to work. Good discussion- will catch up more later. :-)

bear jerky

holy shit that is pretty fucking out of control don't ya think?

like this one fucking asshole waitress we had at lake quinault in WA. she eats mountain lion her neighbor murdered because the cat just so happen to be there out in the forest nearby

who the fuck eats cougar when they are a big ol' fat ass american & even work at a lodge/restaurant? to my notion these people are fucking useless

Huh? I don't think anyone here is trying to control what anyone eats. It's 2014 and until civilization collapses- which it very likely will some day- there is not only no need to hunt but many of us believe it is our human obligation to leave alone what little remnants of wild life and wild lands remain. Jeez Louse man, do you libertarians really think you should be able to do whatever you feel like doing at whatever expense to anyone and anything else in the world? I don't get that... at all.

mr lux i agree that i wouldn't wish for anything to die without a reason, but reasons are mostly just excuses for indulging..it is still death and it is gonna happen one way or another!

Mr chadwick what is the criteria that makes bovine and porcine meat edible and yet equine and ursine are not to be eaten?? Is it purely admiration?? Have you ever seen a black angus steer in person? They are beautiful magnificent animals and we slap them on the grill nonetheless. Horses, zebras, bears, these are animals and I will tell you what they don't do. They don't work to understand each others differences, they don't love, they don't sacrifice themselves and form lifelong attachments to their offspring and parents. Ted Nugent, as annoying and vile as he is, has family that loves him and depends on his love and thats more than you can say for a wild hog...all that is not to say animals don't deserve our respect and fair treatment, only that wishing for the death of human beings who kill animals is...

20$ at the grocery store buys an unhealthy animal that suffered for every minute of it's life, and then died without a shred of dignity. I can't think of a worse scenario for an animal, no matter how many helicopters or bait traps are involved.