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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,853
    dignin said:

    brianlux said:

    dignin said:

    Bennyorr4 said:



    And as for the natives dieing up north, everyone who is living is dieing and natives typically kill themselves with booze, cigarettes and other drugs far earlier than the oilsands do.



    Sounding a bit racist here.
    Oh come on, dignin, you know what Benyorr4 is sayin' is true. Them ignorant injuns got nothing on you 'n me. Fuck 'em.

    IT'S EVOLUTION BABY!!

    Ya Brian, I'm a born and raised Albertan, who like many Albertans has worked in the oil industry at one time or another. Unfortunately his/her viewpoint is not in the minority around these parts.

    But he/she doesn't speak for all of us.
    Of that I have no doubt, dignin. image

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    brianlux said:

    Yeah- politics as usual. Politicians generally can't, don't or won't look beyond the end of their nose.

    Yes politicians generally won't .... But a lot of jobs are dependent on the resource economy and so far I've yet to see any realistic solutions to replace these jobs.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    First off I don't think Benny's comment was racist .... Maybe a stereotype, but anyone who live's in Canada knows that substance abuse on many reserves, especially northern reserves is a big problem ... And that's why I said maybe a stereotype, it was more likely poorly worded. Let's also not forget that many aboriginals are employed in the resource economy and many reserves do quite well in royalties.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Bennyorr4
    Bennyorr4 Posts: 307
    Even Electric cars need oil to lubricate their moving parts. People tend to forget that oil is essential to most manufacturing. Rubber for the tires for instance, plastic for the dash and many other products.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Agree ... Look into the manufacturing of batteries used in electric cars. Pretty sure the internal combustion engine will be here an awful long time, why? Because the cars are affordable.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    lukin2006 said:

    Agree ... Look into the manufacturing of batteries used in electric cars. Pretty sure the internal combustion engine will be here an awful long time, why? Because the cars are affordable.

    I hope the internal combustion engine stays around for a while longer as I also fully support HICE Vehicles.

    Sure it'll take time and infrastructure and some other hurdles to overcome, but sometimes, things take time.

    Toyota, Honda, BMW are leading the way.

    (Polaris is not gonna like this post, as its one of the few things I think we disagree on, well this and killing an endangered species to save it(a necessary evil smh)
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,853
    It's very true that ALL cars use petroleum in one way or another both for manufacture and propulsion. But focusing on an argument like that bypasses two critical points:

    First is that more fuel efficient cars that are made well will last longer and use less fuel. That will buy us time to create better means of transportation (and hopefully walkable communities and improved public transit). I expect my Toyota Pr*** to last at least 20 years (I'm hoping for 25 or 30) and in that time I will have used far less fuel and resources than with any other vehicle I've owned and driven since the first one that I bought in 1968.

    But even more important is something some of here have said again and again which is often overlooked and that is the obvious need to cut our vehicle use by what ever means available. That's the bottom line. Use less. Conserve. Cut back.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Bennyorr4
    Bennyorr4 Posts: 307
    edited January 2014
    Yeah that would work if everyone was given an electric car to replace the gas powered one they already own. Until then, these points are not practical. And for me personally, I drive a pick up for work. Ever try driving a car in two feet of mud or snow? Not. Gunna. Happen. Oh yeah, and how well do electric vehicles run in -40c temperatures? Not to mention walking to and from work in those temps. Not everyone lives in warm climates.
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  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Hydrogen Vehicles will be the future of transport.
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    I couldn't imagine driving a Prius around this winter. I have a jeep patriot 4*4 and Chevy Cobalt ... both decent on fuel. Needless to say this winter the Chevy hasn't got much use. Last Friday I was thankful for 4 wheel drive ... driving home in blowing and drifting snow and at time in near white out conditions.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,853
    It's true, those of you who live back east have had a rough winter. I can be difficult, I know. I lived in Western New York State for two winter. At that time I drove a VW fast back (looked a lot like the one Jack Irons pulls up to the studio in on Single Video. I drove that car from Dunkirk NY to Cassadaga in the snow work the night shift every day the second winter I was there. One day I got to work and it was -60 F. That's MINUS 60 degrees. 4 X 4? Nope! And I never had a problem. I guess some of you live in towns that don't plow.

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Actually I live I'm Canada ... I work the after noon shift and 1/2' my commute is on a major highway the rest are on secondary road that receive attention last .. Also many communities do their secondary roads after the main arteries are taken care.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,853
    Yeah, me too. I live on a small county road that gets rarely gets plowed-- only once in the ten years that I can remember- but we only get snowed in on the average about once a year. 4 x 4 makes sense if you live in snow country, otherwise it's just show. I'd say about 90 to 95 % of the 4 x 4's and large pick ups I see here in the Sierra foothills are all about show, not need. My wife has a 4 -Runner by the way-- mostly for her business but it gets us out of a few jams each year. The rest of the time it's smooth sailing with the Pr... Pr... ah shit, you know...
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    Hydrogen cars arrive in Washington — but are we ready for them? (solar electrolysis)

    washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/hydrogen-cars-met-with-mix-of-excitement-and-skepticism-in-washington/2014/01/26/5b4b3e28-842a-11e3-9dd4-e7278db80d86_story.html

    image

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWqFHYeR-Tc

    scientificamerican.com/article/hydrogen-house/
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    brianlux said:

    Yeah, me too. I live on a small county road that gets rarely gets plowed-- only once in the ten years that I can remember- but we only get snowed in on the average about once a year. 4 x 4 makes sense if you live in snow country, otherwise it's just show. I'd say about 90 to 95 % of the 4 x 4's and large pick ups I see here in the Sierra foothills are all about show, not need. My wife has a 4 -Runner by the way-- mostly for her business but it gets us out of a few jams each year. The rest of the time it's smooth sailing with the Pr... Pr... ah shit, you know...

    mine is a 4 cal jeep patriot ... so gas milage is decent. It's certainly not powerful enough to pull me out of a ditch but it has made this particular driving less stressful.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Idris said:

    Hydrogen cars arrive in Washington — but are we ready for them? (solar electrolysis)

    washingtonpost.com/business/capitalbusiness/hydrogen-cars-met-with-mix-of-excitement-and-skepticism-in-washington/2014/01/26/5b4b3e28-842a-11e3-9dd4-e7278db80d86_story.html

    image

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWqFHYeR-Tc

    scientificamerican.com/article/hydrogen-house/

    I enjoyed the video ...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • weddingparade
    weddingparade Posts: 1,179
    edited February 2014
    A good read

    http://castlegarsource.com/news/has-big-oil-hijacked-democracy-28302#.UwVS7c6Gi8D

    Here's a snippit of the article

    Given the pace at which the Harperium is neutralizing democratic rights in this country, wary citizens must now be on guard that the next election is not stolen, one way or the other, by a prime minister apparently committed to dismantling democracy and permanently changing the country.

    Standing in Harper’s way are the organizations he is targeting with audits, illegal spying, public demonizing and open threats. Anyone who cares a whit for this country has to commit themselves to preventing this from happening. Should these vital organizations be stripped of their charitable statuses, we, as citizens with a huge stake in the outcome of these battles, must commit to making up any loss of contributions they suffer as a result. And if you are not already giving to them, start now. Our response to Harper’s intimidation tactics being challenged by the BCCLA should be to immediately contribute to the organizations in question.

    The fight against Big Oil corporatism may be the most important one you ever support.

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