All fine and dandy if your 6' but if not GA can be a b#tch. Done GA and been on rail few times and take seats any day. Past the point of wanting sweaty humans rubbing up against me for 6 hours. Do though appreciate those that like GA and will go with what PJ decides as long as I get to see them. For those that have had room to move around 6 rows back, try a GA show in Europe or SA.
Totally defeats the purpose for the band to have GA behind seats. They want the action up front. That's the POINT.
it is insulting for ten club to let everyone think that they changed it up because people with seniority weren't rocking out hard enough.
i think they changed it to GA because they want to fit more people in a smaller area and to get more people to join the ten club.
but you already know i feel this way, so... :geek: < me
Regardless of seniority, I personally think they reinstated GA because GA = higher energy levels, with or without seniority. There were plenty of people with seniority camping out along side people who just joined 10c.
Seems like the people who want GA are focusing on the positives of GA, while the people who don't want it are focusing on the negatives. I said this about another topic, we may have to agree to disagree. The band will do what they think is best and we will mostly still be here
Totally defeats the purpose for the band to have GA behind seats. They want the action up front. That's the POINT.
it is insulting for ten club to let everyone think that they changed it up because people with seniority weren't rocking out hard enough.
At MSG 2 in 2010, my seat buddy won the 10c ticket lottery. We were 2nd row in front of Mike. It was amazing.
During Alive I happened to notice a woman in the 3rd row who was standing with her arms folded and a bored expression on her face. She must have had a tremendous 10c number to have that seat at that show...and she was acting like Alive was the dullest thing in the world. Do you really think the band never noticed things like this and it perhaps played a part in them changing to GA for this year's tour? :fp:
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All fine and dandy if your 6' but if not GA can be a b#tch. Done GA and been on rail few times and take seats any day. Past the point of wanting sweaty humans rubbing up against me for 6 hours. Do though appreciate those that like GA and will go with what PJ decides as long as I get to see them. For those that have had room to move around 6 rows back, try a GA show in Europe or SA.
Yeah, I don't think I'd go for GA in SA. That's too much for me - just looks insane, and not just up front really ... Would definitely give it a whirl in Europe though - I could always move back if it got too tight up front.
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Totally defeats the purpose for the band to have GA behind seats. They want the action up front. That's the POINT.
it is insulting for ten club to let everyone think that they changed it up because people with seniority weren't rocking out hard enough.
At MSG 2 in 2010, my seat buddy won the 10c ticket lottery. We were 2nd row in front of Mike. It was amazing.
During Alive I happened to notice a woman in the 3rd row who was standing with her arms folded and a bored expression on her face. She must have had a tremendous 10c number to have that seat at that show...and she was acting like Alive was the dullest thing in the world. Do you really think the band never noticed things like this and it perhaps played a part in them changing to GA for this year's tour? :fp:
Well I know there were serious problems in the front rows in Vancouver in 2011. Practically everyone was just standing there looking bored, and Eddie got pissed off. Fast-forward to 2013, and the GA pit was rocking and Eddie went off about how awesome the crowd was making the band feel.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
All fine and dandy if your 6' but if not GA can be a b#tch. Done GA and been on rail few times and take seats any day. Past the point of wanting sweaty humans rubbing up against me for 6 hours. Do though appreciate those that like GA and will go with what PJ decides as long as I get to see them. For those that have had room to move around 6 rows back, try a GA show in Europe or SA.
Yeah, I don't think I'd go for GA in SA. That's too much for me - just looks insane, and not just up front really ... Would definitely give it a whirl in Europe though - I could always move back if it got too tight up front.
Even in EU it can get rough. Saw em in Switzerland and as polite as they may seem to be had to do battle to keep my spot. But it's all good just prefer seats.
Well I know there were serious problems in the front rows in Vancouver in 2011. Practically everyone was just standing there looking bored, and Eddie got pissed off.
All fine and dandy if your 6' but if not GA can be a b#tch. Done GA and been on rail few times and take seats any day. Past the point of wanting sweaty humans rubbing up against me for 6 hours. Do though appreciate those that like GA and will go with what PJ decides as long as I get to see them. For those that have had room to move around 6 rows back, try a GA show in Europe or SA.
Yeah, I don't think I'd go for GA in SA. That's too much for me - just looks insane, and not just up front really ... Would definitely give it a whirl in Europe though - I could always move back if it got too tight up front.
Even in EU it can get rough. Saw em in Switzerland and as polite as they may seem to be had to do battle to keep my spot. But it's all good just prefer seats.
I can take it to a certain point. I don't mind doing battle necessarily, plus it looks like in EU it gets better farther back. But fuck, the SA floors look like hell on Earth from front to back IMO (I am just going off the many, many videos I have seen of GA from both places of course, and testimony - I haven't actually experienced a Pearl Jam show in either place... yet. But I think someone who has done GA for any band several times can understand what the deal is by seeing enough footage of it. South Americans are nuts.
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I don't know where this notion of "the reserved seats" people just sit down the whole time. I've been to 23 shows. 21 in the seats and 2 in GA (Amsterdam '12 and Worcester '13). Never ONCE did I nor ANYONE in my section ever SIT. EVERY seated section I have EVER been a part of has stood, danced, and rocked JUST as hard as ANY GA I have ever been a part of or have witnessed. The only difference I have found in the 2 areas is that with seats you at least get some personal space and a reserved spot that you can come and go to freely allowing you to drink and use the bathroom whenever you feel like it. You are not also all mashed in and have space to drink your beer, dance, or just jam out without having some dope bashing into you every 30 seconds. Virtually EVERY "shed" amphitheater has the GA BEHIND the seats. It's called the LAWN. If you want to move wherever you want to move or be as close to one another as possible, it's the perfect place for you. Having the GA in the front just promotes pushing & shoving and a "survival of the fittest" type atmosphere with a certain group of people with the mentality of "hey it's GA, I have just as much right to that spot as you do, so I'm going to fight for what I feel is just as much mine as it is yours". If you want that sort of attitude, take it to the BACK. The truly FAIR way to do things is by making the front rows a LOTTERY just like getting the tickets is. No pushing, no shoving, no showing up 12 hours early to stand in line, no "marker" situation where you write a number on your hand and "declare" your spot, then go off to enjoy your day. Some people can't get to the show at 9AM. Some people have to travel. Some people have....don't say it...JOBS! Some have to actually WORK during the day before getting to enjoy a concert at night. Some people might want to actually ENJOY the city that they are in rather than stand in a line for 12 hours. Bottom line is that I'm SURE there will be PLENTY of ENERGY in the first 15 rows full of 10c members. It's just that having them in "reserved seats" is just a much safer and more enjoyable option. Nobody getting crushed, no stampedes, no mad rush when the doors open, and EVERY SINGLE MEMBER would have a shot at the RAIL REGARDLESS of their 10c #, WITHOUT having to sacrifice your entire day, OR having to fight 20 other people for your spot.
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Well I know there were serious problems in the front rows in Vancouver in 2011. Practically everyone was just standing there looking bored, and Eddie got pissed off.
the GAers will eventually get like that too :P
How so? The age range in the pit I was in was from 6 - 50+. There were tons of younger people at that show. Hell, I'm 37, and I've got at least another 10 years in me to totally rock out in the pit.
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Well I know there were serious problems in the front rows in Vancouver in 2011. Practically everyone was just standing there looking bored, and Eddie got pissed off.
the GAers will eventually get like that too :P
How so? The age range in the pit I was in was from 6 - 50+. There were tons of younger people at that show. Hell, I'm 37, and I've got at least another 10 years in me to totally rock out in the pit.
I don't know where this notion of "the reserved seats" people just sit down the whole time. I've been to 23 shows. 21 in the seats and 2 in GA (Amsterdam '12 and Worcester '13). Never ONCE did I nor ANYONE in my section ever SIT. EVERY seated section I have EVER been a part of has stood, danced, and rocked JUST as hard as ANY GA I have ever been a part of or have witnessed. The only difference I have found in the 2 areas is that with seats you at least get some personal space and a reserved spot that you can come and go to freely allowing you to drink and use the bathroom whenever you feel like it. You are not also all mashed in and have space to drink your beer, dance, or just jam out without having some dope bashing into you every 30 seconds. Virtually EVERY "shed" amphitheater has the GA BEHIND the seats. It's called the LAWN. If you want to move wherever you want to move or be as close to one another as possible, it's the perfect place for you. Having the GA in the front just promotes pushing & shoving and a "survival of the fittest" type atmosphere with a certain group of people with the mentality of "hey it's GA, I have just as much right to that spot as you do, so I'm going to fight for what I feel is just as much mine as it is yours". If you want that sort of attitude, take it to the BACK. The truly FAIR way to do things is by making the front rows a LOTTERY just like getting the tickets is. No pushing, no shoving, no showing up 12 hours early to stand in line, no "marker" situation where you write a number on your hand and "declare" your spot, then go off to enjoy your day. Some people can't get to the show at 9AM. Some people have to travel. Some people have....don't say it...JOBS! Some have to actually WORK during the day before getting to enjoy a concert at night. Some people might want to actually ENJOY the city that they are in rather than stand in a line for 12 hours. Bottom line is that I'm SURE there will be PLENTY of ENERGY in the first 15 rows full of 10c members. It's just that having them in "reserved seats" is just a much safer and more enjoyable option. Nobody getting crushed, no stampedes, no mad rush when the doors open, and EVERY SINGLE MEMBER would have a shot at the RAIL REGARDLESS of their 10c #, WITHOUT having to sacrifice your entire day, OR having to fight 20 other people for your spot.
I don't think anyone thinks people with reserved seats sit. That's not the issue. Rows of seats are very restrictive though, and also put WAY less people on the floor.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
How so? The age range in the pit I was in was from 6 - 50+. There were tons of younger people at that show. Hell, I'm 37, and I've got at least another 10 years in me to totally rock out in the pit.
age has nothing to do with it.
What are you saying then? Some commentary on the band's music?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I don't know where this notion of "the reserved seats" people just sit down the whole time. I've been to 23 shows. 21 in the seats and 2 in GA (Amsterdam '12 and Worcester '13). Never ONCE did I nor ANYONE in my section ever SIT. EVERY seated section I have EVER been a part of has stood, danced, and rocked JUST as hard as ANY GA I have ever been a part of or have witnessed. The only difference I have found in the 2 areas is that with seats you at least get some personal space and a reserved spot that you can come and go to freely allowing you to drink and use the bathroom whenever you feel like it. You are not also all mashed in and have space to drink your beer, dance, or just jam out without having some dope bashing into you every 30 seconds. Virtually EVERY "shed" amphitheater has the GA BEHIND the seats. It's called the LAWN. If you want to move wherever you want to move or be as close to one another as possible, it's the perfect place for you. Having the GA in the front just promotes pushing & shoving and a "survival of the fittest" type atmosphere with a certain group of people with the mentality of "hey it's GA, I have just as much right to that spot as you do, so I'm going to fight for what I feel is just as much mine as it is yours". If you want that sort of attitude, take it to the BACK. The truly FAIR way to do things is by making the front rows a LOTTERY just like getting the tickets is. No pushing, no shoving, no showing up 12 hours early to stand in line, no "marker" situation where you write a number on your hand and "declare" your spot, then go off to enjoy your day. Some people can't get to the show at 9AM. Some people have to travel. Some people have....don't say it...JOBS! Some have to actually WORK during the day before getting to enjoy a concert at night. Some people might want to actually ENJOY the city that they are in rather than stand in a line for 12 hours. Bottom line is that I'm SURE there will be PLENTY of ENERGY in the first 15 rows full of 10c members. It's just that having them in "reserved seats" is just a much safer and more enjoyable option. Nobody getting crushed, no stampedes, no mad rush when the doors open, and EVERY SINGLE MEMBER would have a shot at the RAIL REGARDLESS of their 10c #, WITHOUT having to sacrifice your entire day, OR having to fight 20 other people for your spot.
I don't think anyone thinks people with reserved seats sit. That's not the issue. Rows of seats are very restrictive though, and also put WAY less people on the floor.
How so? There are ALREADY 20 rows of seats on the floor, they are just currently BEHIND GA. Flipping the rows of seats on the back of the floor to in front of the floor still keeps the exact same amount of people on the floor, it just creates less of a clusterfuck trying to be "on the rail". There should be less of an urgency to shove your way to the front of GA knowing that the difference between being in the front or the back is less significant considering the "front" isn't the real front anyway.
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I don't know where this notion of "the reserved seats" people just sit down the whole time. I've been to 23 shows. 21 in the seats and 2 in GA (Amsterdam '12 and Worcester '13). Never ONCE did I nor ANYONE in my section ever SIT. EVERY seated section I have EVER been a part of has stood, danced, and rocked JUST as hard as ANY GA I have ever been a part of or have witnessed. The only difference I have found in the 2 areas is that with seats you at least get some personal space and a reserved spot that you can come and go to freely allowing you to drink and use the bathroom whenever you feel like it. You are not also all mashed in and have space to drink your beer, dance, or just jam out without having some dope bashing into you every 30 seconds. Virtually EVERY "shed" amphitheater has the GA BEHIND the seats. It's called the LAWN. If you want to move wherever you want to move or be as close to one another as possible, it's the perfect place for you. Having the GA in the front just promotes pushing & shoving and a "survival of the fittest" type atmosphere with a certain group of people with the mentality of "hey it's GA, I have just as much right to that spot as you do, so I'm going to fight for what I feel is just as much mine as it is yours". If you want that sort of attitude, take it to the BACK. The truly FAIR way to do things is by making the front rows a LOTTERY just like getting the tickets is. No pushing, no shoving, no showing up 12 hours early to stand in line, no "marker" situation where you write a number on your hand and "declare" your spot, then go off to enjoy your day. Some people can't get to the show at 9AM. Some people have to travel. Some people have....don't say it...JOBS! Some have to actually WORK during the day before getting to enjoy a concert at night. Some people might want to actually ENJOY the city that they are in rather than stand in a line for 12 hours. Bottom line is that I'm SURE there will be PLENTY of ENERGY in the first 15 rows full of 10c members. It's just that having them in "reserved seats" is just a much safer and more enjoyable option. Nobody getting crushed, no stampedes, no mad rush when the doors open, and EVERY SINGLE MEMBER would have a shot at the RAIL REGARDLESS of their 10c #, WITHOUT having to sacrifice your entire day, OR having to fight 20 other people for your spot.
I don't think anyone thinks people with reserved seats sit. That's not the issue. Rows of seats are very restrictive though, and also put WAY less people on the floor.
How so? There are ALREADY 20 rows of seats on the floor, they are just currently BEHIND GA. Flipping the rows of seats on the back of the floor to in front of the floor still keeps the exact same amount of people on the floor, it just creates less of a clusterfuck trying to be "on the rail". There should be less of an urgency to shove your way to the front of GA knowing that the difference between being in the front or the back is less significant considering the "front" isn't the real front anyway.
Yeah, that's not what I was talking about. I meant that there are way more people up front, not on the entire floor. ... Long story short, It's just really lame to have seats up front and GA behind. That's more like being at an assembly with higher than expected attendance, where people have to stand at the back. Yes, I know the reserved don't actually sit, but people standing in rows and restricted by chairs amounts to the same concept. We're talking about a rock concert. GA goes up to the stage at rock concerts because no matter how you look at it, GA has more energy for the band to feed off of and it should be right in front of them.
Anyway, I am personally convinced that PJ switched back to GA in the NA not because it allows them to sell more tix (not that that hurts!), but to get more energy up front. So thanks PJ! Good thinking!
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Maybe it's just me, or that I'm just incredibly LUCKY in the 23 shows that I've attended, but I've NEVER seen a PJ crowd EVER LACK energy. Granted, the MAJORITY of my shows are Northeast based, but I have seen numerous shows in places like Buffalo, Chicago, and Atlanta and all those shows had incredible energy as well, and NONE of them had GA, so the notion of "you need GA to have good energy in the crowd" just doesn't make any sense to me. WHERE are these so called "unenergetic" crowds that NEED to have GA to bring them to life?
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Maybe it's just me, or that I'm just incredibly LUCKY in the 23 shows that I've attended, but I've NEVER seen a PJ crowd EVER LACK energy. Granted, the MAJORITY of my shows are Northeast based, but I have seen numerous shows in places like Buffalo, Chicago, and Atlanta and all those shows had incredible energy as well, and NONE of them had GA, so the notion of "you need GA to have good energy in the crowd" just doesn't make any sense to me. WHERE are these so called "unenergetic" crowds that NEED to have GA to bring them to life?
I never meant to say that shows without GA lack energy (although sometimes they do! Vancouver and Seattle have particular probs with that for sure!). I know that there has been plenty of energy at shows with seats. But I am saying that there is MORE energy with GA 98% of the time. I have had enough experience with concerts in general to know this without any doubts whatsoever. Have there been shows in the history of the world where it was GA and still a dud? Of course. But GENERALLY, GA = Extra energy.
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On one side the freaks who have nothing better to do for 12 hours than hang out in line so they can give Eddie a high five and maybe get a slug off his wine bottle.
On the other side the fuddy duddys... sitting on their seats, pressed slacks, legs tightly crossed, faces stern with disappointment given they are subjected to, yet another, Even Flow.
For god's sake people. What happened to you??? Did age seriously get the best of you? I can't believe there is a debate about having a GA pit in front of the stage at a fucking rock concert. :fp:
Ultimately... this comment trumps any other comment and ths thread should probably now die.
For god's sake people. What happened to you??? Did age seriously get the best of you? I can't believe there is a debate about having a GA pit in front of the stage at a fucking rock concert. :fp:
Ultimately... this comment trumps any other comment and ths thread should probably now die.
For god's sake people. What happened to you??? Did age seriously get the best of you? I can't believe there is a debate about having a GA pit in front of the stage at a fucking rock concert. :fp:
Ultimately... this comment trumps any other comment and ths thread should probably now die.
For god's sake people. What happened to you??? Did age seriously get the best of you? I can't believe there is a debate about having a GA pit in front of the stage at a fucking rock concert. :fp:
Ultimately... this comment trumps any other comment and ths thread should probably now die.
Hey TB:
GA pit with reserved close by is cool. GA only shows suck b*lls. Some of us seniors just don't want to deal with the crap in GA. Yeah we still like to rock...and jump up and down...just not in unison with sweaty fat drunk dudes touching me all around.
For god's sake people. What happened to you??? Did age seriously get the best of you? I can't believe there is a debate about having a GA pit in front of the stage at a fucking rock concert. :fp:
Ultimately... this comment trumps any other comment and ths thread should probably now die.
Hey TB:
GA pit with reserved close by is cool. GA only shows suck b*lls. Some of us seniors just don't want to deal with the crap in GA. Yeah we still like to rock...and jump up and down...just not in unison with sweaty fat drunk dudes touching me all around.
Sooo the debate can go on...GA SUXS.
Honestly... I'm older too, but I still got a bit of fire to me!
I don't try to get to the front. If my 'area' becomes too bothersome... I find another area. You can always find a decent spot to get your concert experience from. The room and flexibility in GA is much better than the teeny weeny little bit of space between rows of seats for the concert goer.
With fixed seats... if you get stuck beside the sweaty fat drunk dude... better make the best of it!
I enjoyed my time waiting around for GA, but I definitely understand the frustrations around the process. This may have already been offered up, but here is my spur of the moment "fix" to the GA line issue. I'm sure there are many holes to be poked in it! Poke away!
Current GA/Reserved lottery system stays the same
Choose GA or Reserved
If you win reserved, your seats are reserved by TC # priority
If you win GA, the following occurs, after you are informed of winning GA tickets
• A second lottery occurs for line prioritization
• Based on 10c #, you get x # of tickets into the line lottery (for example 50,000 and under gets 10 tickets, 100,000 and under gets 9 tickets, etc till you get to the higher #s)
• A lottery is run for spots in the GA line
o All lottery tickets are entered and pulled starting with spot 1, until all spots are given out
o Everyone has the ability to be pulled for the front or back of the line
o Emails go out to everyone informing them of their spot in line
o Numbers are put on GA wristbands and given out with tickets at 10c ticket pickup
o GA attendees are informed in the email of their # in the line, the 10c wristband pickup time and are told to be at the show at x time to line up based on their wristband #. Say, an hour before to give everyone time to line up correctly.
o 10c or venue personnel are on hand to help coordinate the line up in a smooth fashion
o After doors open (specific time), the numbering process no longer applies and you enter based on when you got in line
Benefits:
o Seniority still applies, but everyone still has a shot at being close in GA, based on lottery spot in line
o PJ won’t see the same folks on the rail at every show
o GA members don’t need to worry about lining up at 5am, as the numbering system defeats the need to line up early to hold a spot
o GA attendees can still choose to show up later, but are given the option to take advantage of a priority line #, if they received one
Now that the tour is over and I have read many things about GA and experienced it myself ~ let's call it the experiment of 2013 and go back to rows of seats.
My own experience and have read the same situations over and over.. you get there early, you line up.. there is BS about a "list" ~ people get pissed that you have to have some number on your hand.. so you go along with it because hell you want to get in at number 113 and not 183! You are told we will all line up in one single line and enter this way and then when they call for the doors to be open and there is actually going to be three lines and all hell breaks loose and your number on your hand did not mean crap.. the only people whose numbers seemed to matter were like the first 30 or so.
So you get in the doors and it is a mad scramble to the floor and then you stand for an hour and half ~ waiting for the opening act.. you are already packed in like sardines in a little tin can.. and you know it will only get worst. Standing for 1.5 hours with no entertainment you can start to feel your back or feet saying "yeah ~ right this is going to happen for three more hours.."
Finally the music begans and you realize hey Mudhoney is ok.. and then some asshole decides to push his way into the crowd.. elblowing your neighbor in the face.. hitting the person you came with in the back of the head.. and then it begins.. you are dealing with assholes for the rest of the night trying to push their way up.. they are usually heavily intoxicated and usually some of the biggest jerks you have ever encountered. It makes one wonder what we both see in this band that we both apparently like because these guys are prime jackasses.. they consistantly try getting up closer.. one yells "this is not a reserved concert, this is GA motherfuckers ~ DEAL with it"! This goes on until he decides he needs another beer.. but we all now he will be back during Even Flow!
So, you are doing your best to try enjoy this band you love.. but it is getting hotter and hotter and the oxygen level is less and less and you find you are having kind of a hard time breathing in the packed sardine can because you are packed in so tight to the stage.. You are skin to skin on all for sides of you.. personal space goes out the window.. is this really fun? is this really what adults do?
PLEASE PEARL JAM GIVE US BACK OUR ROWED SEATS! It worked well for years and years.. you could spend the morning in line and meet other fans while you waited for your tickets, you could then go experience some of the town you were in or at least get some dinner.. there was none of this other crap that I experienced at this last show.
I know I am one person, with one opinion but I know I have read other peoples posts that have been similar to mine.. let our voices be heard!
NO TO GA!!!!!
I'm sorry, but people like you ruin the ga experience for people like me who want to enjoy a rock show. That involves a few beers before the show, it involves jumping around and it involves making sure I don't elbow my neighbours.
Please buy seats or stay home in the future. I'm sorry, but your post is pathetic.
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I enjoyed my time waiting around for GA, but I definitely understand the frustrations around the process. This may have already been offered up, but here is my spur of the moment "fix" to the GA line issue. I'm sure there are many holes to be poked in it! Poke away!
Current GA/Reserved lottery system stays the same
Choose GA or Reserved
If you win reserved, your seats are reserved by TC # priority
If you win GA, the following occurs, after you are informed of winning GA tickets
• A second lottery occurs for line prioritization
• Based on 10c #, you get x # of tickets into the line lottery (for example 50,000 and under gets 10 tickets, 100,000 and under gets 9 tickets, etc till you get to the higher #s)
• A lottery is run for spots in the GA line
o All lottery tickets are entered and pulled starting with spot 1, until all spots are given out
o Everyone has the ability to be pulled for the front or back of the line
o Emails go out to everyone informing them of their spot in line
o Numbers are put on GA wristbands and given out with tickets at 10c ticket pickup
o GA attendees are informed in the email of their # in the line, the 10c wristband pickup time and are told to be at the show at x time to line up based on their wristband #. Say, an hour before to give everyone time to line up correctly.
o 10c or venue personnel are on hand to help coordinate the line up in a smooth fashion
o After doors open (specific time), the numbering process no longer applies and you enter based on when you got in line
Benefits:
o Seniority still applies, but everyone still has a shot at being close in GA, based on lottery spot in line
o PJ won’t see the same folks on the rail at every show
o GA members don’t need to worry about lining up at 5am, as the numbering system defeats the need to line up early to hold a spot
o GA attendees can still choose to show up later, but are given the option to take advantage of a priority line #, if they received one
Mike
Down with making seniority something that matters in GA. That's is ridiculous. It's called General Admission for a reason.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I wonder how the debate would go if people did not go to numerous shows a year. Those going to numerous shows probably need the GA more to keep the "high" going. It is a little tougher I'm sure sitting in the nosebleeds or 20 rows up on the side for your 5th show in a row, while being 5 people back in GA sure makes it a lot more fun even for that 5th show in 8 days.
So...if everyone went to one show, we'd probably all be fine and have a great time no matter where our seats were, GA or not. Unless the music is no longer enough. That is a whole other set of questions.
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Seems like the people who want GA are focusing on the positives of GA, while the people who don't want it are focusing on the negatives. I said this about another topic, we may have to agree to disagree. The band will do what they think is best and we will mostly still be here
During Alive I happened to notice a woman in the 3rd row who was standing with her arms folded and a bored expression on her face. She must have had a tremendous 10c number to have that seat at that show...and she was acting like Alive was the dullest thing in the world. Do you really think the band never noticed things like this and it perhaps played a part in them changing to GA for this year's tour? :fp:
- Al Swearengen
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the GAers will eventually get like that too :P
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age has nothing to do with it.
How so? There are ALREADY 20 rows of seats on the floor, they are just currently BEHIND GA. Flipping the rows of seats on the back of the floor to in front of the floor still keeps the exact same amount of people on the floor, it just creates less of a clusterfuck trying to be "on the rail". There should be less of an urgency to shove your way to the front of GA knowing that the difference between being in the front or the back is less significant considering the "front" isn't the real front anyway.
1998 Mansfield
2000 Atlanta & Mansfield
2003 Mansfield (X2)
2004 Boston
2006 Chicago & Boston (x2)
2008 Mansfield (x2)
2009 Chicago
2010 Buffalo & Boston
2011 Toronto
2012 Amsterdam
2013 Wrigley, Worcerster (x2), Philly, & Hartford
2014 Memphis, Moline, Denver
2016 Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Hampton, Philly, Fenway (x2), Wrigley Monday
2018 Wrigley (x2), Fenway (x2)
2022 MSG. Nashville
2023 Ft. Worth 2, Austin (x2)
2024 Vegas 2, Wrigley 2, Fenway (x2), Auckland (x2), Gold Coast, Melbourne 1
Anyway, I am personally convinced that PJ switched back to GA in the NA not because it allows them to sell more tix (not that that hurts!), but to get more energy up front. So thanks PJ! Good thinking!
1998 Mansfield
2000 Atlanta & Mansfield
2003 Mansfield (X2)
2004 Boston
2006 Chicago & Boston (x2)
2008 Mansfield (x2)
2009 Chicago
2010 Buffalo & Boston
2011 Toronto
2012 Amsterdam
2013 Wrigley, Worcerster (x2), Philly, & Hartford
2014 Memphis, Moline, Denver
2016 Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Tampa, Hampton, Philly, Fenway (x2), Wrigley Monday
2018 Wrigley (x2), Fenway (x2)
2022 MSG. Nashville
2023 Ft. Worth 2, Austin (x2)
2024 Vegas 2, Wrigley 2, Fenway (x2), Auckland (x2), Gold Coast, Melbourne 1
Ultimately... this comment trumps any other comment and ths thread should probably now die.
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GA in front of stage - low numbers have to get in early for great spots
This is likely the frustration for most, not age or comfort.
GA pit with reserved close by is cool. GA only shows suck b*lls. Some of us seniors just don't want to deal with the crap in GA. Yeah we still like to rock...and jump up and down...just not in unison with sweaty fat drunk dudes touching me all around.
Sooo the debate can go on...GA SUXS.
Honestly... I'm older too, but I still got a bit of fire to me!
I don't try to get to the front. If my 'area' becomes too bothersome... I find another area. You can always find a decent spot to get your concert experience from. The room and flexibility in GA is much better than the teeny weeny little bit of space between rows of seats for the concert goer.
With fixed seats... if you get stuck beside the sweaty fat drunk dude... better make the best of it!
Current GA/Reserved lottery system stays the same
Choose GA or Reserved
If you win reserved, your seats are reserved by TC # priority
If you win GA, the following occurs, after you are informed of winning GA tickets
• A second lottery occurs for line prioritization
• Based on 10c #, you get x # of tickets into the line lottery (for example 50,000 and under gets 10 tickets, 100,000 and under gets 9 tickets, etc till you get to the higher #s)
• A lottery is run for spots in the GA line
o All lottery tickets are entered and pulled starting with spot 1, until all spots are given out
o Everyone has the ability to be pulled for the front or back of the line
o Emails go out to everyone informing them of their spot in line
o Numbers are put on GA wristbands and given out with tickets at 10c ticket pickup
o GA attendees are informed in the email of their # in the line, the 10c wristband pickup time and are told to be at the show at x time to line up based on their wristband #. Say, an hour before to give everyone time to line up correctly.
o 10c or venue personnel are on hand to help coordinate the line up in a smooth fashion
o After doors open (specific time), the numbering process no longer applies and you enter based on when you got in line
Benefits:
o Seniority still applies, but everyone still has a shot at being close in GA, based on lottery spot in line
o PJ won’t see the same folks on the rail at every show
o GA members don’t need to worry about lining up at 5am, as the numbering system defeats the need to line up early to hold a spot
o GA attendees can still choose to show up later, but are given the option to take advantage of a priority line #, if they received one
Mike
I'm sorry, but people like you ruin the ga experience for people like me who want to enjoy a rock show. That involves a few beers before the show, it involves jumping around and it involves making sure I don't elbow my neighbours.
Please buy seats or stay home in the future. I'm sorry, but your post is pathetic.
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So...if everyone went to one show, we'd probably all be fine and have a great time no matter where our seats were, GA or not. Unless the music is no longer enough. That is a whole other set of questions.