Pearl Jam's LA Shows To Be Picketed By IATSE Local 33

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    CUPE (Canadian Union of Public Employees). I work at a university. The BC Labour Board very recently found the university guilty of bargaining in bad faith during our negotiation on a contract that they balked on for three years because they tried to blackmail us into involving our pension plan even though the pension plan is administered by three separate unions and therefore could not be considered during negotiations for just one union's contract, and acted illegally in doing so. The 4 year contract was only just settled in May (because the law forced them to, basically), and it expires this April. :fp: And FYI, even with a strong union, our salaries have not even come close to keeping up with inflation. This crap about union workers being "overpaid" is generally bullshit. But my union is pretty good with ensuring that superiors can't abuse their power (not for lack of trying).
    Well then, I guess I will do some homework on Canadian unions, and get back to you. :lol::lol::lol:
    What do you do at the University?
    Administration... part operations administrator for the small university press me and one high up guy are starting, and part examinations officer/advisor/general getting shit doner for a department that pulls in millions and millions a year.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    HollisBrown wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I wouldn't cross. I'm a union member myself, and just could not do it. I hope any 10C member going who is in a union respects the line. I wouldn't expect others to (necessarily.... but they shouldn't either), but any union member who crosses is an asshole and a huge hypocrite.
    I hear ya, brotha.
    So lets say a union firefighter travels to L.A from New York City...
    He has paid for airfare, hotel, and concert tickets.
    Is he supposed to just walk away because these stage hands are having issues?
    Really?
    I'm not sure why it has to be a firefighter... same diffnfor any union member. But whoever it is, they should do what their conscience and principles allow. Mine would not allow me to cross the line no matter what. Whether or not Joe Fireman crosses is his own burden to bear. I personally don't think that most people have very strong principles at all once it actually comes down to them losing out personally, so don't expect that many people/union members who claim to support the union's cause to not cross the line. Most people are simply looking out for #1 in the end, and not even with the long term or big picture in mind. Instant gratification will win out 99% of the time. Union members will cross the line and manage to justify it in their own minds, and then go to work Monday and enjoy all the benefits their union affords them because lucky for them, there were people at some point who were more principled than them.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    HollisBrown wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I wouldn't cross. I'm a union member myself, and just could not do it. I hope any 10C member going who is in a union respects the line. I wouldn't expect others to (necessarily.... but they shouldn't either), but any union member who crosses is an asshole and a huge hypocrite.
    I hear ya, brotha.
    Sista! ;) :wave:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,887
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I'm not sure why it has to be a firefighter... same diffnfor any union member. But whoever it is, they should do what their conscience and principles allow. Mine would not allow me to cross the line no matter what. Whether or not Joe Fireman crosses is his own burden to bear. I personally don't think that most people have very strong principles at all once it actually comes down to them losing out personally, so don't expect that many people/union members who claim to support the union's cause to not cross the line. Most people are simply looming put for #1 in the end. Union members will cross the line and manage to justify it in their own minds, and then go to work Monday and enjoy all the benefits their union affords them because lucky for them, there were people at some point who were more principled than them.
    People who belong to a union...Any union......It doesn't make a difference if they are a firefighter or a garbage man..... Who are planning on going to these shows.
    Yet have NO IDEA what the hell these stage hands are striking for...
    Have NO IDEA what the situation is...
    Are supposed to just instantly support these stage hands? Just because they belong to a union?

    Sorry, I don't buy that.
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I'm not sure why it has to be a firefighter... same diffnfor any union member. But whoever it is, they should do what their conscience and principles allow. Mine would not allow me to cross the line no matter what. Whether or not Joe Fireman crosses is his own burden to bear. I personally don't think that most people have very strong principles at all once it actually comes down to them losing out personally, so don't expect that many people/union members who claim to support the union's cause to not cross the line. Most people are simply looming put for #1 in the end. Union members will cross the line and manage to justify it in their own minds, and then go to work Monday and enjoy all the benefits their union affords them because lucky for them, there were people at some point who were more principled than them.
    People who belong to a union...Any union......It doesn't make a difference if they are a firefighter or a garbage man..... Who are planning on going to these shows.
    Yet have NO IDEA what the hell these stage hands are striking for...
    Have NO IDEA what the situation is...
    Are supposed to just instantly support these stage hands? Just because they belong to a union?

    Sorry, I don't buy that.
    Why would they have no idea what the issue is?? Any union member should at the very least be finding that out before crossing a picket line. And any union member who doesn't side with the workers in the particular situation is a complete fool.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HollisBrown
    HollisBrown Posts: 4,325
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    HollisBrown wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I wouldn't cross. I'm a union member myself, and just could not do it. I hope any 10C member going who is in a union respects the line. I wouldn't expect others to (necessarily.... but they shouldn't either), but any union member who crosses is an asshole and a huge hypocrite.
    I hear ya, brotha.
    Sista! ;) :wave:
    :oops: My bad. :oops:
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    HollisBrown wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    HollisBrown wrote:
    I hear ya, brotha.
    Sista! ;) :wave:
    :oops: My bad. :oops:
    No reason you would know. Happens all the time! :) When i've met people in person, i've heard "whoa, I thought you were a guy!" a dozen times. :lol: Unless the screen name is particulay girly, I think the safest assumption is to think it's a dude. :lol:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,887
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    I'm not sure why it has to be a firefighter... same diffnfor any union member. But whoever it is, they should do what their conscience and principles allow. Mine would not allow me to cross the line no matter what. Whether or not Joe Fireman crosses is his own burden to bear. I personally don't think that most people have very strong principles at all once it actually comes down to them losing out personally, so don't expect that many people/union members who claim to support the union's cause to not cross the line. Most people are simply looming put for #1 in the end. Union members will cross the line and manage to justify it in their own minds, and then go to work Monday and enjoy all the benefits their union affords them because lucky for them, there were people at some point who were more principled than them.
    People who belong to a union...Any union......It doesn't make a difference if they are a firefighter or a garbage man..... Who are planning on going to these shows.
    Yet have NO IDEA what the hell these stage hands are striking for...
    Have NO IDEA what the situation is...
    Are supposed to just instantly support these stage hands? Just because they belong to a union?

    Sorry, I don't buy that.
    Why would they have no idea what the issue is?? Any union member should at the very least be finding that out before crossing a picket line. And any union member who doesn't side with the workers in the particular situation is a complete fool.
    Why would they have no idea what the issue is?
    Because they live in NEW YORK and have NO CLUE what is going on in LA.
    They planned a trip to a rock concert in California.
    But because some stage hands are having issues, they are supposed to just walk away and eat their airfare, hotel, and concert tickets.

    Yeah Right.
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    edited November 2013
    What i'm saying is that no union member should be crossing any picketine withput finding out why it's there. Itndoesn'tatter where they're from or if they haven't heard of it until they arrive at the line. All they have to do is look it up on their smartphone and/or talk to the striking workers before crossing. It's not complicated.

    And yeah, somethings are more important than a concert. As i said, there is nonway o would cross that line even if i had flown down there and paid for the trip. In this case, I'd hang out with the workers on the line instead. I'd be disappointed, but I want to be able to respect myself, and couldn't if i crossed that line. I am not sure why you find that so outrageous. I don't think that it's that much to expect, all things considered. I could still do a lot of other shit while in LA. It wouldn'tbe a waste of time or money. I'd simply miss the PJ show.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,887
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    What i'm saying is that no union member should be crossing any picketine withput finding out why it's there. Itndoesn'tatter where they're from or if they haven't heard of it until they arrive at the line. All they have to do is look it up on their smartphone and/or talk to the striking workers before crossing. It's not complicated.
    No its not complicated..
    Not ONE SINGLE UNION member on this board, who is traveling to LA to see these shows, is going to NOT GO because of this strike.

    NOT ONE...

    I would be willing to bet 3 snickers bars on that one.
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • JWPearl
    JWPearl Posts: 19,893
    Snickers bars cost alot in postage and handling, so i guess it's worth it. :lol:
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,887
    JWPearl wrote:
    Snickers bars cost alot in postage and handling, so i guess it's worth it. :lol:
    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
    Ill throw in 2 Heath bars for free.
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    its A Socialist Act Of Treason
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,887
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    its A Socialist Act Of Treason
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    edited November 2013
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    What i'm saying is that no union member should be crossing any picketine withput finding out why it's there. Itndoesn'tatter where they're from or if they haven't heard of it until they arrive at the line. All they have to do is look it up on their smartphone and/or talk to the striking workers before crossing. It's not complicated.
    No its not complicated..
    Not ONE SINGLE UNION member on this board, who is traveling to LA to see these shows, is going to NOT GO because of this strike.

    NOT ONE...

    I would be willing to bet 3 snickers bars on that one.
    In already said that i don't expect more than 1% of unions members with tix to cross the line. So no need for the bet. ;) But it's because people are selfish and unprincipled for the most part as soon as they are directly impacted by something. Very sad state of affairs in our society in that sense. The hypocrisy is stunning. I know most union members will cross (but i hope some don't). But i wouldn't and they shouldn't. I'm not a fucking special human being. If i wouldn't do it, then there must be at least a few others who wouldn't either. Surely there are at least a few who are still willing to walk the talk and defend what they benefit from and rely on. But i know not many.... there are a lot of apathetic pussies out there these days.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    JWPearl wrote:
    Snickers bars cost alot in postage and handling, so i guess it's worth it. :lol:
    :lol::lol::lol::lol:
    Ill throw in 2 Heath bars for free.
    What the hell is a Heath bar? :lol:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • JWPearl
    JWPearl Posts: 19,893
    edited November 2013
    That is true and well said Pj_Soul.
    Post edited by JWPearl on
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,693
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    its A Socialist Act Of Treason
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
    Are you making fun of my position on this?? Am i reading that right?
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,810
    :corn:
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,887
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    its A Socialist Act Of Treason
    :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
    Are you making fun of my position on this?? Am i reading that right?
    Nope.
    Take me piece by piece.....
    Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....

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